New Shots over the Wall August 5th

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Also, MK's will have an built-in Ariel M&G area.

Hmmm...no Fastpass for DCA's version? I just looked at some documents and don't see a FP queue.....interesting.

In Al Lutz's update last week on Miceage he said that Mermaid at DCA won't have Fastpass at all. TDA didn't want to give up the space for the extra queue area Fastpass needs for all the Standby switchbacks. I was thrilled with that news! I'm not a Fastpass fan, especially on Omnimovers.

Al Lutz also said Mermaid will have an hourly rider capacity just over 1,800 per hour, and that WDI slowed down the Omnimover speed from the Haunted Mansion speed.

Lutz did say however that the WDW version of Mermaid will have Fastpass as TDO wanted it and was willing to turn over a bigger chunk of the space to accomodate the larger queue area that Fastpass demands.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
LM at DCA won't have nearly the infrastructure FLE will have.The LM at DCA is basically a stand alone building. FLE will need bathrooms, new shops, eateries, all the water features, landscaping etc. Truly apples and oranges. I think there is a lot about the FLE that has not been announced yet.

Very valid point jt.

The two Mermaid facilities couldn't be more different between the coasts. In fact, I can't think of a duplicate theme park attraction that looks and acts differently in each park. Mansion, Pirates, Small World, Space Mountain, etc. all look different, but the overall facility in both parks is fairly similar. The DCA and MK versions of Mermaid will be very, very different when it comes to facades and attached facilities and placement within their surroundings.

The DCA version is truly a standalone building unattached to anything. The restrooms were moved across the street in the San Francisco Row House buildings in a 2009 project that was entirely separate from the Mermaid project (although clearly done in advance of the complete bulldozing of the Mermaid site that the DCA project required.)

San Francisco Row Houses 2009 - New Bathrooms Adjacent to Little Mermaid Construction
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The gift shop is nearby, to be rethemed to the new Pier theme and selling lots of Mermaid merchandise, but totally separate and undergoing its own reimagineering as part of the broader remake of that entire corner of DCA that includes Goofy's Sky School, Paradise Garden Grill, etc.

Souvenir 66 behind Little Mermaid construction walls 2010
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In short, the two Mermaid attraction facilities couldn't be more different.

Nevermind the difference in construction techniques between building on swampy soil and Utilidors in Orlando and digging down into the sandy Anaheim soil on top of solid bedrock. You could dig to China through the dry Anaheim bedrock, but you could only dig 10 feet in Orlando before you hit soupy water. That alone makes the two Mermaid construction projects like night and day.
 

Lee

Adventurer
Lutz did say however that the WDW version of Mermaid will have Fastpass as TDO wanted it and was willing to turn over a bigger chunk of the space to accomodate the larger queue area that Fastpass demands.

Yes, both Mermaid and Dumbo will have Fastpass at MK.
 

fireworkz

Active Member
Dumbo?!

I thought the whole point of the new queue was just so you won't have to wait.

No, you still have to wait, but it's how you wait that's changing. From what I understand it's not a traditional queued line with rows and ropes. It's supposed to be an open wait area with games to occupy your time while you wait to be signaled for your turn to ride the spinner. The FastPass will work like regular FassPass, you by pass the "wait area", may have a short line, then ride.
 

Lee

Adventurer
No, you still have to wait, but it's how you wait that's changing. From what I understand it's not a traditional queued line with rows and ropes. It's supposed to be an open wait area with games to occupy your time while you wait to be signaled for your turn to ride the spinner. The FastPass will work like regular FassPass, you by pass the "wait area", may have a short line, then ride.
Yes, pretty much correct.
Looking at the attraction, Fastpass entrance is on the far left, Standby on the far right.
Standby enters the queue and makes it's way into the tent, where the "interactive queue" is. When it is your time to ride, you move into a "holding area" to await access to the loading area.
Fastpass bypasses the main tent and proceeds straight to the front of the "holding area".
 

Uncle Lupe

Well-Known Member
Yes so much faster, DCA's walls went up May '09 earth started moving in Jun '09. I was there in Oct '09 and saw no vertical peeking over the wall yet. Here we are 15 months after walls went up:
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FLE walls went up w/official ground breaking MAR '10 (yes there was some work going on before the wall went up but mostly clearing land) so lets wait until at least May '11 before we crucify anyone.

Last time I checked they were just starting the outside walls...:eek: , Yeah I should check more often.
 

DisneyParksFan1

Active Member
Yes, pretty much correct.
Looking at the attraction, Fastpass entrance is on the far left, Standby on the far right.
Standby enters the queue and makes it's way into the tent, where the "interactive queue" is. When it is your time to ride, you move into a "holding area" to await access to the loading area.
Fastpass bypasses the main tent and proceeds straight to the front of the "holding area".

That's very interesting..
 

stitch2008

Member
In short, the two Mermaid attraction facilities couldn't be more different.

Nevermind the difference in construction techniques between building on swampy soil and Utilidors in Orlando and digging down into the sandy Anaheim soil on top of solid bedrock. You could dig to China through the dry Anaheim bedrock, but you could only dig 10 feet in Orlando before you hit soupy water. That alone makes the two Mermaid construction projects like night and day.

Great post. Right on the money.
 

juan

Well-Known Member
You can PM me.. I promse I won't tell.. :drevil:

Well I did find out everything and sorry, I can't really say anything. :zipit:

I know its cryptic, but if you take bits and pieces of all the posts discussing the FLE, everything that will happen is there. Many people have guessed things correctly and others are far, far off.

The new plan is far far less girlie and the expansion is closer to completion than you would think. Also, people may go other places besides the LM at rope drop. :drevil:
 

DisneyParksFan1

Active Member
Well I did find out everything and sorry, I can't really say anything. :zipit:

I know its cryptic, but if you take bits and pieces of all the posts discussing the FLE, everything that will happen is there. Many people have guessed things correctly and others are far, far off.

The new plan is far far less girlie and the expansion is closer to completion than you would think. Also, people may go other places besides the LM at rope drop. :drevil:

What do you mean about that last statement.

And OMG! Wonderland?
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Well I did find out everything and sorry, I can't really say anything. :zipit:

I know its cryptic, but if you take bits and pieces of all the posts discussing the FLE, everything that will happen is there. Many people have guessed things correctly and others are far, far off.

The new plan is far far less girlie and the expansion is closer to completion than you would think. Also, people may go other places besides the LM at rope drop. :drevil:
Can you cofirm that TT is definitely going the way of the dodo?
 

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