New Rumor

PoohsGang

New Member
Original Poster
I think this comment needs to be brought out of mothballs....


SALT!!!!!

Ok, now that I got that out of my system....

I can totally see settling occurring. I also think that they've invested far too much capital in the Contemporary lately to even think of leveling it anytime soon. If there is indeed a problem, I wonder what solution can be thought of before the problem gets any bigger.

Of course, park CM rumors are always subject to extra scrutiny. ;) :lol:

I don't think the problem is getting worse faster than they expect it to. I think down the road a solution to fix it (if it becomes necessary) would be cheaper to demolish and rebuild than repair what they have now. Construction techniques have gotton so much better. We were also told how much more efficent (Green) the new BLT will be. Sometimes it's just cheaper to start fresh!

Like I said it's the rumor we heard while here, I just passed it along.......
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
True, starting over may be cheaper than fixing long-term. Of course, *now* would be the time to do it, since there seems to be a slight drop in room demand. :)
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
I guess one of the major barriers to executing this rumor will be the impact of the incoming buss traffic, and the Monorail loop impact.

Two alternatives I see for the Monorail:

Build an inner spurr that switches off the main track that would pull the train away from the construction zone. Problems with this idea are, you can't build the switch overnight, so some disruption of service will be expected, and speed of the trains through this area would need to be slowed since the curve of the loop would be sharper to pull the track inward.

The other alternative is to make the Monorail not a contiguous loop, but an end to end train, that switches direction at the end of the line at the TTA and the MK stations. So it will continue to service the Poly and Grand. This could also be the temporary fix to allow the inner loop track and switches to be built, but would definitely cost more $$ in the end for a half mile of track that is ultimately only temporary and would be in use for less than 2 years.
Problems with the back and forth are there will be less trains on the tracks to service customers and longer waits between trains will be expected. Capacity to transport guests to the MK via the Monorail will be reduced by almost half.

Both are feasible, but likely to cause some pain
 

jedimaster1227

Active Member
While I'm no engineering specialist, I can say that plans have been on the table (for quite some time) to structurally reinforce the "weakened" areas of the Contemporary. The process could take between a year to two years with some more visible enhancements taking place to the original resort. During the resort downtime, the Bay Lake Tower would likely pick up the slack with hotel-rate rooms being available to keep the resort alive. That is part of the reason that the North Wing still stands--to keep the Contemporary afloat while these rennovations take place. After the process is complete, it will be the next to go.

Mind you, the process and its planned aspects are all still tentative and have yet to be greenlit.
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
I don't think the problem is getting worse faster than they expect it to. I think down the road a solution to fix it (if it becomes necessary) would be cheaper to demolish and rebuild than repair what they have now. Construction techniques have gotton so much better. We were also told how much more efficent (Green) the new BLT will be.
.......


Maybe this explains why the A/C Units were not updated in the recent room refurb at the Contemp. Try and get 10 more years out of them instead of replacing them now if they will be demolished in 8-10 years with a new building.
 

SirNim

Well-Known Member
Well isn't this dramatic? Thanks for posting this, OP.

Don't think we'll see any hotel implosion though... As Drew Carey might say,

"Man, if I had a nickel for every time a sinkhole allegedly destroyed a beloved, timeless Walt Disney World building!..."
 

Slowjack

Well-Known Member
The building's drawer rooms were made to come out so they can easily be remodeled or refurbished, but settling did occur in the structure and they are now stuck in place.
I've made it my mission in life to crush this story. Not true. It was never, ever the intention that the room would come out once they were welded in place.

The following is an except from a "WDW Myths" article that appeared in Eyes & Ears, the WDW cast newspaper, in five installments during the first half of 1997.

Myth #6. A partial myth, actually. This one says the rooms of Disney's Contemporary Resort were assembled in modular fashion at a location elsewhere on the property, then trucked to the site and hoisted by a huge crane one-by-one into the hotel's giant steel A-frame structure. The rooms were also designed to be removable when it came time to redecorate.

The first part is true enough (and the Polynesian was built the same way). But that last statement is absolutely false. And recognizing it to be false is a pretty intuitive process. Both John Hench, senior vice president of WDI and John Anderson, a structural engineer with Facility Asset Management Support, make the following points:

Why would you go to the trouble of lifting out an entire room -- disconnecting the water, sewer, power, and all the rest of that stuff -- when all you need to do is send up a couple of guys with a bucket of paint
and some wallpaper?

Why would you want that huge crane brought back in now, smashing up the pool area and all the landscaping and sidewalks around the hotel, just to redecorate?

Not only that, but each room was constructed with its balcony and its own portion of the interior walkway as part of the module. Removal of one or more of the rooms would create quite a surprise for any guest on that floor who might be sleepily heading downstairs for a late night snack!

No, John Hench (who worked with the architects of the hotel) assures us that this was never even a consideration in early design. But if you need more evidence, there's this: the rooms of Disney's Contemporary Resort were redone in a multi-year rehab of that hotel in the early '90s. Did anyone see the crane?

Related to Myth #6: Okay, so they can't remove them. But they wanted to. Except the hotel settled on its foundation, twisting the steel framework of the building and wedging the rooms in so tight they can't be removed.

Also not true -- on either point. As mentioned, John Hench says they never gave this idea any consideration. But the foundation hasn't moved either.

John Anderson explains that each arch of the A-frame sits on a large bunker of concrete. And each bunker sits on a deeper foundation, known as a piling, which was pounded down into the underlying limestone. The
foundation has never budged and it's not likely to do so anytime soon.

Side note: The monorail pylons are on similar footings. If the Contemporary's foundation had settled, the monorail beam into and out of the hotel would have twisted, as well. Short answer: it hasn't.

Also related to Myth #6. The Contemporary is sitting on top of a giant sink hole and the Army Corps of Engineers has been trying to fill it for years. Nothing is working and the hotel is doomed.

Not only is this incorrect, it's a little reckless to even suggest it. According to Bob Beaver, chief civil engineer with Facility Asset Management Support, all of the Magic Kingdom resort sites were thoroughly examined in 1968 by the soil engineering firm of Dames and Moore, an internationally recognized authority geology, environmental sciences and engineering.

Bob also states that "the Army Corps of Engineers has absolutely no interest in the Contemporary Resort Hotel." And, as with the cranes that no one has ever seen removing rooms from the hotel, has anyone actually seen all this heavy equipment the Corps would have to be using? Unless....gads!....we've uncovered the Army's super-secret "stealth" sinkhole filling machine!
 

PoohsGang

New Member
Original Poster
I've made it my mission in life to crush this story. Not true. It was never, ever the intention that the room would come out once they were welded in place.

The following is an except from a "WDW Myths" article that appeared in Eyes & Ears, the WDW cast newspaper, in five installments during the first half of 1997.

So the CMs "Missions in Life" must be to spread the rumor that the rooms come out like drws, cause all the bartenders at CR as well as some of the staff still talk about Walts Vision to have them slide in and out for remodeling purposes........

My mission is to earn my ears, check out my training picture.....
www.tonyheplumber.com/disney.html
 

JWG

Well-Known Member
So the CMs "Missions in Life" must be to spread the rumor that the rooms come out like drws, cause all the bartenders at CR as well as some of the staff still talk about Walts Vision to have them slide in and out for remodeling purposes........

Hence the article I guess.
 

mcjaco

Well-Known Member
^^^ Awesome. :sohappy: :cool:

Besides, why would they build two new wings, only to have to protect them in a few years to tear down the old building? Seems pretty pointless, and wasteful to me.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I'll weigh in on this.....I just do not see it happening.

Contemporary sinking? I highly doubt it, at least no more than any other building built in Florida. Buildings sinking has long been a rumor at WDW (ie Horizons) but the only building that has actually been confirmed to be in any danger of sinking is UoE. Now if BLT sells out quick I can absolutely see them demolishing the remaining garden wing and building an identical BLT on it's ashes. As to the rooms being "removable"...from what I gather that is more urban legend than fact. They were without a doubt prefabbed somewhere else and slid into place already completed but they were never intended to be removed in a similar fashion .
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
I've heard a slightly different version of the foundation sinking story...

According to a boating CM (yeah, I know), the Tower was actually supposed to be a few stories taller - except, when they began filling in the tower with rooms, the tower sank somewhat, and the decision was made to stop where they did - leaving room modules left over.

What became of the remaining room modules? They became the North and South Garden wings.....

-Joe
 

SirNim

Well-Known Member
I've heard a slightly different version of the foundation sinking story...

According to a boating CM (yeah, I know), the Tower was actually supposed to be a few stories taller - except, when they began filling in the tower with rooms, the tower sank somewhat, and the decision was made to stop where they did - leaving room modules left over.

What became of the remaining room modules? They became the North and South Garden wings.....

-Joe
:lol: :lol:

That's comedy gold!
 

JWG

Well-Known Member
I've heard a slightly different version of the foundation sinking story...

According to a boating CM (yeah, I know), the Tower was actually supposed to be a few stories taller - except, when they began filling in the tower with rooms, the tower sank somewhat, and the decision was made to stop where they did - leaving room modules left over.

What became of the remaining room modules? They became the North and South Garden wings.....

-Joe

:lookaroun :lol: :ROFLOL: :lookaroun
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I've heard a slightly different version of the foundation sinking story...

According to a boating CM (yeah, I know), the Tower was actually supposed to be a few stories taller - except, when they began filling in the tower with rooms, the tower sank somewhat, and the decision was made to stop where they did - leaving room modules left over.

What became of the remaining room modules? They became the North and South Garden wings.....

-Joe
I heard that they were used to fill in the hole that the monorail was going to pass through in Swan and Dolphin.
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WDW Monorail

Well-Known Member
I'll weigh in on this.....I just do not see it happening.

Contemporary sinking? I highly doubt it, at least no more than any other building built in Florida. Buildings sinking has long been a rumor at WDW (ie Horizons) but the only building that has actually been confirmed to be in any danger of sinking is UoE. Now if BLT sells out quick I can absolutely see them demolishing the remaining garden wing and building an identical BLT on it's ashes. As to the rooms being "removable"...from what I gather that is more urban legend than fact. They were without a doubt prefabbed somewhere else and slid into place already completed but they were never intended to be removed in a similar fashion .

I see no reason to doubt that there are plans to construct a building identical to the BLT on the other side of the Contemporary. It is very logical.
That doesn't mean that the plan will ever go through, I'm just assuming that someone has thought of it.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Well isn't this dramatic? Thanks for posting this, OP.

Don't think we'll see any hotel implosion though... As Drew Carey might say,

"Man, if I had a nickel for every time a sinkhole allegedly destroyed a beloved, timeless Walt Disney World building!..."
:lol: Yeah...sad. :( :lol:

While I'm no engineering specialist, I can say that plans have been on the table (for quite some time) to structurally reinforce the "weakened" areas of the Contemporary. The process could take between a year to two years with some more visible enhancements taking place to the original resort. During the resort downtime, the Bay Lake Tower would likely pick up the slack with hotel-rate rooms being available to keep the resort alive. That is part of the reason that the North Wing still stands--to keep the Contemporary afloat while these rennovations take place. After the process is complete, it will be the next to go.

Mind you, the process and its planned aspects are all still tentative and have yet to be greenlit.
Right...but not knocking the thing down.:rolleyes:

Exactly what I was thinking. I couldn't picture WDW with no Contemporary with a monorail going through it.
*nods*
 

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