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[ToTBellHop]

It legitimately had to be squeezed into the park cuasing another attraction to be down for years....railroad. granted i dont dislike tron i just think MK needed capacity the least.

Just like those times these bastards shoehorned in Pirates of the Caribbean, Splash Mountain, and Space Mountain. How dare they build under and over the train track forcing its closure? Those terrible 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s planners ought to be ashamed of themselves. This kind of nonsense literally NEVER happens at any of the other castle parks. They all built their trains correctly so that they’d NEVER have to expand outside the boundary of the train track. This only happens at MK.

 

[matt9112]

Just like those times these bastards shoehorned in Pirates of the Caribbean, Splash Mountain, and Space Mountain. How dare they build under and over the train track forcing its closure? Those terrible 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s planners ought to be ashamed of themselves. This kind of nonsense literally NEVER happens at any of the other castle parks. They all built their trains correctly so that they’d NEVER have to expand outside the boundary of the train track. This only happens at MK.

I mean did any of those things take this long to build? Also totally ignoring the more important point....the whole MK dosen't need capacity that badly. The other 3 parks need MUCH more investment. But it's ok. Keep defending a mediocre coaster.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Just like those times these bastards shoehorned in Pirates of the Caribbean, Splash Mountain, and Space Mountain. How dare they build under and over the train track forcing its closure? Those terrible 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s planners ought to be ashamed of themselves. This kind of nonsense literally NEVER happens at any of the other castle parks. They all built their trains correctly so that they’d NEVER have to expand outside the boundary of the train track. This only happens at MK.

Genuine question - how long was the train closed each of those times?

More fundamental question - are you contending Tron is well and thoughtfully placed?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Genuine question - how long was the train closed each of those times?

More fundamental question - are you contending Tron is well and thoughtfully placed?

I think it is as well-placed as a log ride through the bayou placed in Frontierland. Never mind the operational difficulties posed by two E-tickets next to each other at a dead-end. The area is frequently jam-packed. They literally need to slow-walk guests there at park open to avoid fatalities.

But we don’t complain about the 1990s. It was the Disney Decade and everything was flawless.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think it is as well-placed as a log ride through the bayou placed in Frontierland. Never mind the operational difficulties posed by two E-tickets next to each other at a dead-end. The area is frequently jam-packed. They literally need to slow-walk guests there at park open to avoid fatalities.

But we don’t complain about the 1990s. It was the Disney Decade and everything was flawless.

You’re comparing an entire new build with significant modifications and changes to a copy and paste?

 

[ToTBellHop]

You’re comparing an entire new build with significant modifications and changes to a copy and paste?

Significant modifications still don’t make it fit in Frontierland. You also ignore the operational difficulties it caused. And we define “significant“ differently from one another.

Because we aren’t supposed to critique anything from the ’90s.

The furor toward a genuine new build placed on swamp that will basically take nothing away from the park while adding a new ride is just silly to me. People act like they are demolishing Space Mountain.

This is far better than some of the alternatives. That TSI idea still gives me nightmares.

 

[mysto]

I honestly rather it be Pizza Planet, but I'll take what I can get.

Focus group survey analytics show that the average park consumer prefers a giant pile of meat drowned in sugar for cheap.

Hopefully there will be corn on the cob.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Because we aren’t supposed to critique anything from the ’90s.

I don't think anyone's saying that.

Certainly not anyone reasonable.

 

[UNCgolf]

Pandora, GE and Hogsmeade are visually interesting, but dead without inhabitants. All these "lands" need live entertainment that bring the area alive. Otherwise, you feel like an urban explorer looking at an abandoned area. True, you've got attractions. But, stepping outside them, it's just window dressing, like stepping on a stage after a performance; it's all very pretty. But, it exists for something more.

I was looking for a quote. Walt said something like, going to Disneyland was like stepping into a movie. He said nothing about stepping into an empty movie set. That's where we are now.

I don't think GE or Hogsmeade are especially visually interesting. They absolutely need live entertainment.

Pandora doesn't, really, because of the visuals and the overall setting. Live entertainment would actually detract from it in places (not across the whole land, though).

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Well that's just as good as a new theme park for Disney.

Imagine a Target where you pay a cover charge just to get into the door. Chapek's dream.

Never forget.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't think GE or Hogsmeade are especially visually interesting. They absolutely need live entertainment.

Pandora doesn't, really, because of the visuals and the overall setting. Live entertainment would actually detract from it in places (not across the whole land, though).

You are a great poster and everyone has their own preferences, but... man, I just cannot grasp this opinion. Pandora is pretty in a generic way and is a good use of a weak IP, but it is so much less visually interesting and varied then either GE or Hogsmeade. It also has an incredibly boring layout - its essentially a very, very decorated giant warehouse and courtyard. I've tried to spend time in Pandora on several visits, I really have, but there just isn't much there there. The pull of the much more visually arresting Harambe area becomes overwhelming very quickly.

 

[UNCgolf]

You are a great poster and everyone has their own preferences, but... man, I just cannot grasp this opinion. Pandora is pretty in a generic way and is a good use of a weak IP, but it is so much less visually interesting and varied then either GE or Hogsmeade. It also has an incredibly boring layout - its essentially a very, very decorated giant warehouse and courtyard. I've tried to spend time in Pandora on several visits, I really have, but there just isn't much there there. The pull of the much more visually arresting Harambe area becomes overwhelming very quickly.

It's at night where it shines, but I was mainly referencing the "floating mountains", water features, etc. It's very pretty there.

I find Galaxy's Edge really boring visually outside of the ship props and the small market area. Everything else is quite bland. Hogsmeade is interesting if you're a HP fan, but if you aren't... I don't know what the draw would be. There's not much to it -- with the caveat that the last time I was there was pre-Hagrid's, so that could have improved it to an extent.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's at night where it shines, but I was mainly referencing the "floating mountains", water features, etc. It's very pretty there.

I find Galaxy's Edge really boring visually outside of the ship props and the small market area. Everything else is quite bland. Hogsmeade is interesting if you're a HP fan, but if you aren't... I don't know what the draw would be. There's not much to it -- with the caveat that the last time I was there was pre-Hagrid's, so that could have improved it to an extent.

Yeah, I was looking forward to seeing it at night. Perhaps I had read too much positive press, because I found it pretty but underwhelming. I can admire the artistry of Pandora, but I find that it has very little to offer beyond the surface level, which is exacerbated by the fact that the very, very short dark ride does little more then reproduce the exact same aesthetic.

Hogsmeade, and to a lesser extent GE, offer a lot more to explore, with gags and unique elements scattered among the more complex layout of the areas - small details to find and savor. Hogsmeade also boasts all of the stores, mini-attractions in themselves. And even for guests not enamored by HP, "magical Victorian England" is a broadly appealing theme that existed well before Potter. I do agree GE has large plots that don't quite work, with structures on one side and nothing much on the other - but ironically, these spots remind me of Pandora!

Of course, I find all three pale in comparison to Diagon and Cars Land in terms of visual interest.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yeah, I was looking forward to seeing it at night. Perhaps I had read too much positive press, because I found it pretty but underwhelming. I can admire the artistry of Pandora, but I find that it has very little to offer beyond the surface level, which is exacerbated by the fact that the very, very short dark ride does little more then reproduce the exact same aesthetic.

Hogsmeade, and to a lesser extent GE, offer a lot more to explore, with gags and unique elements scattered among the more complex layout of the areas - small details to find and savor. Hogsmeade also boasts all of the stores, mini-attractions in themselves. And even for guests not enamored by HP, "magical Victorian England" is a broadly appealing theme that existed well before Potter. I do agree GE has large plots that don't quite work, with structures on one side and nothing much on the other - but ironically, these spots remind me of Pandora!

Of course, I find all three pale in comparison to Diagon and Cars Land in terms of visual interest.

Oh I completely agree with the second paragraph about there being more to do at Hogsmeade and GE -- that's a different discussion than what I meant by sole visual interest.

I suppose it depends on how much you like just water/nature, but I think walking around Pandora is much more impressive than walking around Galaxy's Edge just in terms of the overall setting.

Of course, I also really like NRJ and think it's one of the 3 best rides they've built at WDW in the past decade, and I know most people don't agree with that! It's almost exactly what I want from a complementary C ticket dark ride.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Oh I completely agree with the second paragraph about there being more to do at Hogsmeade and GE -- that's a different discussion than what I meant by sole visual interest.

I suppose it depends on how much you like just water/nature, but I think walking around Pandora is much more impressive than walking around Galaxy's Edge just in terms of the overall setting.

I think you nailed it. I find the built environment more intriguing then the (faux-) natural one. That's why I go to theme parks! For me, there's not a lot to Pandora beyond, "huh, some of those plastic plants look odd."

 

[UNCgolf]

I think you nailed it. I find the built environment more intriguing then the (faux-) natural one. That's why I go to theme parks! For me, there's not a lot to Pandora beyond, "huh, some of those plastic plants look odd."

I really like the built environments too; I just don't think the ones at GE are very interesting for the most part (the interiors are different; I'm solely talking about the exterior). Hogsmeade is better (and I personally like the Victorian England aspect regardless of any HP connection), but I don't think there's much there to really grab you beyond Hogwarts itself.

Of course, I also really dislike Forbidden Journey and think using Hogwarts as nothing but a facade/queue was incredibly shortsighted and wasted what should have been the biggest draw/setting, so I'm probably a bit biased against Hogsmeade.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

. . . and think using Hogwarts as nothing but a facade/queue was incredibly shortsighted and wasted what should have been the biggest draw/setting, so I'm probably a bit biased against Hogsmeade.

Can I just take a minute to say . . . thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissss

I can understand building Hogwarts that way the first time. Universal was throwing a Hail Mary with Hogsmeade and there was only so much money to work with. But seeing them rebuild it basically the same way in Hollywood and Japan felt like they were squandering the biggest opportunity they have with that franchise - to give you the chance to really explore Hogwarts. There's unreal potential in that setting. Seemingly 90 percent of the story takes place there, and they waste it on the (admittedly fabulous) queue for Forbidden Journey??

For all the success of the various Potter lands, using Hogwarts the way they did has got to be the biggest theme park master planning blunder of the last 20 years. Building a Hogwarts that maximizes that amazing location's theme park potential would be a license to print money. It's almost unbelievable the way they painted themselves into that corner.

 

[UNCgolf]

For all the success of the various Potter lands, using Hogwarts the way they did has got to be the biggest theme park master planning blunder of the last 20 years. Building a Hogwarts that maximizes that amazing location's theme park potential would be a license to print money. It's almost unbelievable the way they painted themselves into that corner.

I think the Forbidden Journey queue is significantly better than the ride itself -- we did the ride once and weren't interested in a repeat, but we did go back and walk through the queue again.

They should honestly use Hogwarts as the setting for the HP land at Epic Universe. Yes, there's a Hogwarts facade at USO. Who cares? It's a different park. The setting there is Hogsmeade, not Hogwarts.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

They should honestly use Hogwarts as the setting for the HP land at Epic Universe. Yes, there's a Hogwarts facade at USO. Who cares? It's a different park. The setting there is Hogsmeade, not Hogwarts.

If Rowling still has creative control, she will never allow this to happen. I wish we could walk through and really explore Hogwarts.

 

[Texas84]