New Return Procedure at Soarin'

[disneydudette]

MDE currently shows a 60 minute wait for Soarin'.

Hmm... nothing but a "star" for the MDE mobile app... nor is anything listed on Easy/waits... that's weird... any chance you could link it?

Also interesting is the "0" minute wait for Living with the Land compared to the 40min yesterday around this time.

 

[dadddio]

Hmm... nothing but a "star" for the MDE mobile app... nor is anything listed on Easy/waits... that's weird... any chance you could link it?

Also interesting is the "0" minute wait for Living with the Land compared to the 40min yesterday around this time.

I don't know anything about linking, but it showed 60 minutes when I first opened the app. Now it shows a star.

 

[Oddysey]

Well, you also have more time to get something to eat, ride other rides, experience other attractions, do M&Gs, use the potty, pick your nose, or whatever else you want to do.

You forgot to add wonder aimlessly in overcrowded walkways. Remember the cliche "its a walk in the park", which was a analogy for simplicity and enjoyment. Well, with everyone being virtually queued a walk in the park at Disney would no longer be a simple or enjoyable "walk in the park." The walkways themselves will eventually feel like a standby line.

 

[draybook]

So if they put this procedure into place, I would imagine that folks would be Roarin' at Soarin'.........BA DUM CHA!!

 

[dadddio]

You forgot to add wonder aimlessly in overcrowded walkways. Remember the cliche "its a walk in the park", which was a analogy for simplicity and enjoyment. Well, with everyone being virtually queued a walk in the park at Disney would no longer be a simple or enjoyable "walk in the park." The walkways themselves will eventually feel like a standby line.

Right, because not having a long wait at Soarin' is going to cause the entire theme park to be overfilled.

 

[Mawg]

The trolls are most definitely hungry...

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For some reason, your post sounded more like trolling than the one you quoted. But, unfortunately now mine does too.

 

[CDavid]

Just taking the opportunity to mention that all of those things turned out to be pretty good, even though internet people claimed they were going to be the death of all things vacation.

No, they most certainly did not all turn out to be "pretty good".

As much as I would love more attractions, I doubt that your plan would work.

If another E-ticket attraction was built in Epcot, it wouldn't stop people from wanting to ride Soarin'. In fact, it might draw more people to the park. These new people wouldn't just come to ride the new ride. They'd also want to ride Soarin'.

The solution is to fix the capactity problems with this ride, but that's food for a different thread.

Do you seriously mean to argue that Disney shouldn't build new attractions because it might attract more business? Isn't that sort of the idea behind operating a theme park (or any business) - to gain more customers and make more money?

Additional large-scale, big-ticket attractions would indeed take some of the pressure off Soarin'. There is no single park attraction (with few exceptions, possibly) that absolutely everyone in the park that day (aside from an unusually slow day) can ride; There's just not enough capacity, but there was never expected to be. Never before has such a capacity problem been solved by building more of the same rides; Instead, you expand the park and give the guests greater choices. Soarin' (and Toy Story Mania) have the capacity problems they do because of the lack other major, compelling attractions in the park - not because Soarin's capacity is too low.

 

[freediverdude]

Well, you also have more time to get something to eat, ride other rides, experience other attractions, do M&Gs, use the potty, pick your nose, or whatever else you want to do.

Oh that's right, we need potty time (at least until FP is required for that).

 

[dadddio]

No, they most certainly did not all turn out to be "pretty good".

I get that the 'Disney can't do anything right' people disagree with me. I'm really, really good with that.

Do you seriously mean to argue that Disney shouldn't build new attractions because it might attract more business? Isn't that sort of the idea behind operating a theme park (or any business) - to gain more customers and make more money?

Given that I never made that argument, I can happily say that 'No, I do not mean to argue that.' Good job at trying to twist my position into something that you can argue against, though.

Soarin' (and Toy Story Mania) have the capacity problems they do because of the lack other major, compelling attractions in the park - not because Soarin's capacity is too low.

Both situations exist and should be resolved. As I stated in my earlier post and you conveniently ignored so that you could argue against something that wasn't my position, this theme park needs additional attractions. That's not the entirety of the solution, however.

 

[dadddio]

Oh that's right, we need potty time (at least until FP is required for that).

When my family waits in a two hour line, somebody ends up wishing that they went to the potty first. I bet that's pretty normal.

 

[Soarin2u]

Multiple Attraction Conflicts
What happens when you have two attractions like Test Track and Soarin who use this system and you get return times around the same time? You will still have to wait in line for a time period plus experience the attraction. How would you make it on time to the other? What happens if you lose the card? Normally you would have just waited in line, it wasn't like you were getting out of line and loosing your spot, but with this new return card, you technically are.

It might be like the old fast pass though. I remember sometimes being 30 minutes late and still having the CM's let us through, as long as it wasn't 2-3 hours difference. As long as you have the evidence that you have a unused return time, I'm sure they'll still let you through.

Losing it I guess is just bad luck. Still not right, I don't support it.
I like the idea it brings of not wasting time in line, but the overall procedure of it is extremely flawed.

 

[BufordTJustice]

Any reports on how testing is going today?

 

[Mawg]

One would think that the multiple-hour waits tend to keep people from repeating Soarin'.

Yes, they will. But most people have strategies to still repeat it and not wait, like ride it first thing and then Fast Pass later. With another E ticket, now they might ride it first thing and then fast pass the other E ticket thus freeing up a fast pass for someone else. But, I still don't disagree that another Theater is not what is needed. I just think they need another E ticket too.

 

[RayTheFirefly]

Well, you also have more time to get something to eat, ride other rides, experience other attractions, do M&Gs, use the potty, pick your nose, or whatever else you want to do.

Not if they eventually extended this to every attraction.

 

[pumpkin7]

There are no words...

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

The outrage and negativity in this thread is truly unreal...

'How can Disney do this to us?? I cannot believe that they are trying to accommodate those guests who would not typically get a chance to experience an attraction! Universal would never stoop to this level...'

http://www.orlandoinformer.com/universal/harry-potter-world-return-tickets/

I honestly need to stop visiting this site. The negativity is overwhelming. I suspect half of the haters have never step foot in WDW.

Knock yourself out.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

The trolls are most definitely hungry...

Disappear, Disappear

So unhappy, so much anguish, yet you are still here.

Odd creature.

 

[Oddysey]

Right, because not having a long wait at Soarin' is going to cause the entire theme park to be overfilled.

Right, because if Disney were to view the test as successful they most definitely would not implement a virtual standby line at other attractions.

 

[natatomic]

Here's a novel idea - do away with any form of FP/FP+ or return tickets, and just have everyone wait in one line in the order in which they arrived at the attraction. Those who come early (or late) will have the shortest waits, and while the line may swell to several hours mid-day, that fact will serve to help ration-out attraction capacity. I'm amazed nobody has thought of this before...

Oh, I certainly agree with you! I'm just saying that if they are going to go the way of the reserved time for queuing, why do two queues at all? They know each attraction's capacity, and therefore they know approximately how many people they can allow into the line at a time to ensure they don't have a wait time longer than whatever they want the maximum to be (barring downtimes). So just do one line for everyone with a guaranteed wait time of no more than 30 minutes. Like I said, I'm still not a fan, but reserving two separate lines for two different wait times on completely separate days it just...exhausting. To say the least.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

As much as I would love more attractions, I doubt that your plan would work.

If another E-ticket attraction was built in Epcot, it wouldn't stop people from wanting to ride Soarin'. In fact, it might draw more people to the park. These new people wouldn't just come to ride the new ride. They'd also want to ride Soarin'.

The solution is to fix the capactity problems with this ride, but that's food for a different thread.

Using that perverse logic wouldnt shortened wait times make parks more attractive too?