New Project Gemini Plans?

[PeterAlt]

Originally posted by testtracker
Posted by Jriddle
I think alot of us lost faith after DCA was built.
California Screamin' is a dumb, cheap, thrill coaster.
I just hope they don't make that mistake again.

If that's true well then uh.....it's a little too late. Sorin' over florida or whatever they're going to call it sounds like the same Soarin'.

Have you been to DCA???? I've been there and can say Soaring Over Cali is a GREAT ride! What they are building at EPCOT will be a clone of that great ride. As for California Screamin'... that whole area is MEANT to look like an old-fashioned amusement park! And, frankly, Disney did a GREAT job theming it that way! California Screaming is an intensely great coast (better than The Incredible Hulk at IOA). It only appears to be unDisney and lack of theming because of its old-fashioned amusement park theme. And they even did a great job at that, with its two loops belded into Mickey Mouse eyes and the coaster's refection on the water. But the coaster jettisons you out like a bullet at first, using a technology Disney had patented for the People mover system (same system that RnRC uses). So this "uncreative" Disney coaster even has has some Disney magic that make it truly Disney.

 

[andre85]

Originally posted by PeterAlt
Have you been to DCA???? I've been there and can say Soaring Over Cali is a GREAT ride! What they are building at EPCOT will be a clone of that great ride. As for California Screamin'... that whole area is MEANT to look like an old-fashioned amusement park! And, frankly, Disney did a GREAT job theming it that way! California Screaming is an intensely great coast (better than The Incredible Hulk at IOA). It only appears to be unDisney and lack of theming because of its old-fashioned amusement park theme. And they even did a great job at that, with its two loops belded into Mickey Mouse eyes and the coaster's refection on the water. But the coaster jettisons you out like a bullet at first, using a technology Disney had patented for the People mover system (same system that RnRC uses). So this "uncreative" Disney coaster even has has some Disney magic that make it truly Disney.

I absolutely agree! (though some people on this forum will fight you tooth and nail on this issue…). Also, when you're on California Screamin' you can even see waves washing up against the boardwalk. It's a great park, just vastly different from Disney's usual.

Edit: I just found an interesting article on California Adventure.

http://gocalifornia.about.com/cs/disneyland/a/dcahow.htm

Apparently, it cost 1.4 billion dollars to build, which is substantially more than even Disney's Animal Kingdom, so I don't know what all this talk is about it being cheap. The part about the sun sculpture was also intriguing, proving how much detail is invested into things you may not even notice.

Edit 2: I just found this picture of DCA. I forgot how beautiful it really is, I can't wait for my trip this May:

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

Wow! Look what I started! You people don't need to snap at me because I shared MY opinion with you! When I said "true pavilion" I meant that it's the only one with the Epcot feeling! It has a nice decent family ride which actually teaches you something while having fun (Yes I mean Body Wars). I enjoyed just walking around the pavilion and took a moment to look around! Remember, this is my opinion. And yes, I will blame Eisner for this! Why? He decides how much money WDW gets. When management has only enough money for a family coaster I blame Eisner for it! You asked if he's responsible for weak economy? No he isn't! I welcome thrill rides at Epcot, especially a coaster but do all of you think another LNM coaster has room at the resort? Why not something original? Inverted, wooden, flyer etc.... (BTW, Screamin' and RnR don't share the same technology). Do I think RnR is cheap? Well I'm not quite sure yet. But please be a little more respectful when sharing your opinions, because I'm sure neither of us want to start flaming each other! :animwink:

And BTW Grizz, thanks!!! I'm glad half these rumors aren't possible! My only worry is WoL! I say add to the pavilion a flyer with a lot of theming!! I don't really know what the story would be about, but that isn't my job anyway! At least not yet!

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

Originally posted by andre85
Apparently, it cost 1.4 billion dollars to build, which is substantially more than even Disney's Animal Kingdom, so I don't know what all this talk is about it being cheap.

Well I think people think it LOOKS cheap. And I've heard very different figures! Something around the 300-400 million which sounds more likely!

 

[lebernadin]

Originally posted by Dizknee_Phreek
personally, i've never felt like it was any hotter at Epcot than MK or MGM. however, i always feel like it's hotter at AK...ironically the park with the most plants, trees, and shade. so, imo, trees don't always help a park cool down in the hot summer months. though, i'm not sure what does help.

What separates the AK from the other parks in terms of creating a "its hotter here" affect is the amount of indoor space available to guests. EPCOT/MGM/MK have a ton of indoor space, whether its counter service restaurants, stores, or attractions. This helps throughout a long day under the FL sun. You're going from building to building with short distances in between. AK is designed to be open and the majority of their attractions and a good percentage of their merchandise is outdoors.

So i think the addition of more foliage, if well-designed, will be good for Futureworld.

 

[O I Sleep]

Yeah, I think Ecpot should be majorly redone.
First off bring back Horizons.
Then bring back World of Motion.
This, already is much better than anything that Eisner wants to do.
Epcot was meant to be set on the future.
If you want a petty roller coaster, go down the street to Universal Studios. Or just ride the ones in the Disney parks. The ones they have already built are plenty.
Another thing, everyone said Wonders of Life looks old.
Isn't the attraction of it a retro-futuristic pavillion celebrating life?
I already am appalled enough with it being pushed back to seasonal.
Everytime I look at my Epcot Center tee-shirt, or watch an old Disney Promotional video, I remember how Epcot was, and still is to an extent.
I think all these new rapid changes rumors, if true, are very sad.

Oh well, at least World Showcase is still intact.

 

[HumanOddity]

<<<<Have you been to DCA???? I've been there and can say Soaring Over Cali is a GREAT ride! What they are building at EPCOT will be a clone of that great ride.>>>>

To me, this is a problem. I'm sure Soarin' over California is a great ride. I'm glad they're bringing a cutting edge attraction to Epcot. But I could give a rat's behind about California. I'm a Floridian. Epcot is in Florida. Is there nothing to showcase about this state? Is it that attendence is down at Disneyland and DCA, and they have to try to entice people to fly out there? It seems like corners are getting cut. If you're gonna go on the cheap and rehash the same film they use in DCA, don't even build the ride. There... I feel better now.

 

[imagineer boy]

Here are my ideas to change future world:

No montana theme. That's just a stupid idea, and I don't know who though of that. Change future world to Discovery World, not Discoveryland. To enhance that theme, add more purple and gold like in Innoventions plaza. I noticed some yellow cielings at the ticket areas and I say get rid of those because they look too eighties. At SSE, I say no time racers, but it needs a large rehab Replace AAs, change the theme from the history of cummunication to the history of the entire earth. Give more stuff to look at in the qeue. The ride will not be an omnimover, but sort of like the TTA where you board it like an omnimover, but it breaks away into seperate trains. Not to mention make the seats more comfortable.
Time racers will be the new exibit replacing Global Neighborhood.
At UOE, change it to look like you're at the "Discovery World Science Museam" or somthing and Bill Nye works there. He wants to bring you all on a demonstration on how energy was made and how we use it today and brings along on of his friends, Ellen who doesn't care at all about energy. You board you viecles in a room with giant machinery and equipment where you board you viecles. To start the time travel adventure, machines buzz and lighteffecs give the feeling that you're going back in time. The room is all dark and you see Ellen and Bill on a little time traveling viecle of their own and that's when the big bang happens with special effect to feel like happening around you. Anyway, its dark again, and you then travel into the dinosaur world. Where you see AA Ellen and Bill explainging stuff, then you procede and see the dinos, then go forward in time to the present and watch the rest of ellen's adventure by time cam on a big screen.

At WOL, cut down some trees in front so guests are able to see the attraction and it might draw attention to them. Body wars is updated with Spiderman technology. The whole pavillion is updated with more futureistic look, and the making of me will have a new movie and Cranium Command will be updated as well.

Those are just a few of my ideas that I wanted to share.

 

[1stStarIC2nite]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
Here are my ideas to change future world:

No montana theme. That's just a stupid idea, and I don't know who though of that. Change future world to Discovery World, not Discoveryland. To enhance that theme, add more purple and gold like in Innoventions plaza. I noticed some yellow cielings at the ticket areas and I say get rid of those because they look too eighties. At SSE, I say no time racers, but it needs a large rehab Replace AAs, change the theme from the history of cummunication to the history of the entire earth. Give more stuff to look at in the qeue. The ride will not be an omnimover, but sort of like the TTA where you board it like an omnimover, but it breaks away into seperate trains. Not to mention make the seats more comfortable.
Time racers will be the new exibit replacing Global Neighborhood.
At UOE, change it to look like you're at the "Discovery World Science Museam" or somthing and Bill Nye works there. He wants to bring you all on a demonstration on how energy was made and how we use it today and brings along on of his friends, Ellen who doesn't care at all about energy. You board you viecles in a room with giant machinery and equipment where you board you viecles. To start the time travel adventure, machines buzz and lighteffecs give the feeling that you're going back in time. The room is all dark and you see Ellen and Bill on a little time traveling viecle of their own and that's when the big bang happens with special effect to feel like happening around you. Anyway, its dark again, and you then travel into the dinosaur world. Where you see AA Ellen and Bill explainging stuff, then you procede and see the dinos, then go forward in time to the present and watch the rest of ellen's adventure by time cam on a big screen.

At WOL, cut down some trees in front so guests are able to see the attraction and it might draw attention to them. Body wars is updated with Spiderman technology. The whole pavillion is updated with more futureistic look, and the making of me will have a new movie and Cranium Command will be updated as well.

Those are just a few of my ideas that I wanted to share.

Excellent ideas!! Those really are great.. except I still sy replcae WoL with a weather themed pavillion

 

[TURKEY]

Originally posted by mrmickeymouse
i like the earthtone idea.i saw a few pics my dad has from the new york 1964 worlds fair and they seemed to use earth tones alot

Were the pictures black and white?

 

[jeanylaser031]

New project Gemini plans

:lol: disney has a great plan for epcot. because it will be project gemini this will be the plan for saving disney.

 

[andre85]

Originally posted by DisneyFan 2000
Well I think people think it LOOKS cheap. And I've heard very different figures! Something around the 300-400 million which sounds more likely!

All of the sources I reviewed have reiterated the 1.4 billion dollar figure; however, putting facts aside, even if your figure is correct, that's still not a bad budget for a park a tenth (1/10) the size of Animal Kingdom.

As for it "looking cheap"; I truly think it's because these people walk in with the wrong idea; It's a completely different beast from Disney's usual (while retaining the same Disney magic). I get chills when I enter the park and pass underneath the Golden Gate bridge, or as I round the ocean (a friggen ocean!) to reach the boardwalk. It's the small details like these that makes it a truly fantastic experience.

 

[lebernadin]

Originally posted by andre85
As for it "looking cheap"; I truly think it's because these people walk in with the wrong idea

Yeah. The highest expectations render the worst reviews. I didn't visit WDW until the mid 80's, but i'd guess that when EPCOT opened there were plenty of families who complained because they expected a carbon copy of the Magic Kingdom or Disneyland.

I'm not going to comment on DCA because i have yet to step foot in it.

 

[andre85]

Originally posted by lebernadin
Yeah. The highest expectations render the worst reviews. I didn't visit WDW until the mid 80's, but i'd guess that when EPCOT opened there were plenty of families who complained because they expected a carbon copy of the Magic Kingdom or Disneyland.

That's exactly it. I thought DCA was refreshing - a breath of fresh air. But it's exactly as you said; one really needs to leave any and all expectations at the door.

 

[PeterAlt]

Originally posted by DisneyFan 2000
Well I think people think it LOOKS cheap. And I've heard very different figures! Something around the 300-400 million which sounds more likely!

I think the $1.4 billion is the total price, including parking garages, Downtown DIsney, and some hotels.

 

[mrmickeymouse]

no they were in color i can try to scan them

 

[martinthesparta]

I agree about the no trees thing for Epcot. I say keep it visually the same because it is already a beautiful park and making a mjor change like that would be a waste of money. SSE definetly needs to be updated, but the ride itself should more or less stay the same. The idea of turning it into the history of the world just wouldn't work because, well, there is only so much room in there, and just the history of communication takes up all that space, so i just don't see that working. As far as WOL, I think it's time for something new. Although a weather pavillion is the obvious choice, how would it be any different than the current WOL in terms of what it has to offer(a simulator, a few shows, and some hands on exhibits. I say instead we need another old school dark ride to balce things out whether we bring back horizons or come up with something new like the history of exploration, story of flight, a tron style look at how the internet works or something like that. And I understand everyone's concern about the rollercoasters at epcot, but think about it this way. I know I was sceptical about rock n rollercoaster when i first heard about it, but i have heard nothing but good things about it, and than when i heard that a space simulator was replacing horizons i wasn't pleased, but i'm sure anyone who has experienced it wouldn't even think of replacing it for any reason. And to the guy who says there's no room for imagination or land expansions you're just crazy. There is more than enough room, and even if there wasn't you know they would make room like they always do. I think Brainstormers is an awesome idea, especially if they use effects from the old ride and unused effects from westcot to make their world of imagination like i've heard.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Originally posted by imagineer boy
Here are my ideas to change future world:

No montana theme. That's just a stupid idea, and I don't know who though of that. Change future world to Discovery World, not Discoveryland. To enhance that theme, add more purple and gold like in Innoventions plaza. I noticed some yellow cielings at the ticket areas and I say get rid of those because they look too eighties. At SSE, I say no time racers, but it needs a large rehab Replace AAs, change the theme from the history of cummunication to the history of the entire earth. Give more stuff to look at in the qeue. The ride will not be an omnimover, but sort of like the TTA where you board it like an omnimover, but it breaks away into seperate trains. Not to mention make the seats more comfortable.
Time racers will be the new exibit replacing Global Neighborhood.
At UOE, change it to look like you're at the "Discovery World Science Museam" or somthing and Bill Nye works there. He wants to bring you all on a demonstration on how energy was made and how we use it today and brings along on of his friends, Ellen who doesn't care at all about energy. You board you viecles in a room with giant machinery and equipment where you board you viecles. To start the time travel adventure, machines buzz and lighteffecs give the feeling that you're going back in time. The room is all dark and you see Ellen and Bill on a little time traveling viecle of their own and that's when the big bang happens with special effect to feel like happening around you. Anyway, its dark again, and you then travel into the dinosaur world. Where you see AA Ellen and Bill explainging stuff, then you procede and see the dinos, then go forward in time to the present and watch the rest of ellen's adventure by time cam on a big screen.

At WOL, cut down some trees in front so guests are able to see the attraction and it might draw attention to them. Body wars is updated with Spiderman technology. The whole pavillion is updated with more futureistic look, and the making of me will have a new movie and Cranium Command will be updated as well.

Those are just a few of my ideas that I wanted to share.

Here's some of my ideas:
Journey Into Imagination is back as a slightly updated version of the original. In the Literature scene, now Figment and Dreamfinder are within scenes of classic books. Figment fights a Giant Squid atop the Nautilus for 20000 Leagues Under the Sea, Dreamfinder is in a space capsule being blasted to the moon for From the Earth to the Moon, Figment fights a Jabberwock for Through the Looking Glass, and encounters Gollum in The Hobbit. Performing Arts has become more emphasised on Music. Figment acts as a one man band while Dreamfinder powerfully conducts an orchestra playing songs such as New Horizons, Tommorow's Child, We Go On, One Little Spark(of course),Great Big Beautiful Tommorow, and Dream a Dream Together(Light Magic). Spacesuit Figment now has a sign that says "The Future or Bust!" and the Science Scene is now a look at how we've used our Imaginations to predict the future in a sort of a Horizons way.

 

[SirGoofy]

I was thinking about why AK is the hottest of the parks and I think I may have found the reason. AK has the slimmest(sp?) walkways and when there is a lot of people are jammed in there their body heat has to affect somethting.

I like the ideas for updating Epcot, especially Tahu's. I can just imagine Figment and Gollum in the same scene. The greatest non-human character ever, Figment, and a character from the greatest books/movies ever.