Rumor New Orleans Mini-Land and "Reimagined" Country Bear Jamboree

[Tony the Tigger]

Preface: I love CBJ.
Clarification: one of the reasons I love it is to me, it is (apparently unintentionally) mercilessly making fun of hillbilly stereotypes.
Observation: the lyrics of some songs are fairly surprising in modern context. “I think you should shoot him instead.” (If I typed that on Facebook, it might get removed with a warning.) “Blood on the” everything (and I love that scene, but I can also be aware those lyrics are nuts.) You can love something and also acknowledge it hasn’t aged well (like Splash.)

I take exception to all the off-hand comments about “the mob” and similar references. It minimizes the real situation that most of society has progressed and there are things we might have said in the 1970’s that we wouldn’t say in polite company today.

It’s OK to have nostalgia for the old stuff but also to realize that’s where we were at a point in time of our collective growth as a society.

 

[TheCoasterNerd]

Preface: I love CBJ.
Clarification: one of the reasons I love it is to me, it is (apparently unintentionally) mercilessly making fun of hillbilly stereotypes.
Observation: the lyrics of some songs are fairly surprising in modern context. “I think you should shoot him instead.” (If I typed that on Facebook, it might get removed with a warning.) “Blood on the” everything (and I love that scene, but I can also be aware those lyrics are nuts.) You can love something and also acknowledge it hasn’t aged well (like Splash.)

I take exception to all the off-hand comments about “the mob” and similar references. It minimizes the real situation that most of society has progressed and there are things we might have said in the 1970’s that we wouldn’t say in polite company today.

It’s OK to have nostalgia for the old stuff but also to realize that’s where we were at a point in time of our collective growth as a society.

This perfectly describes my feelings about both Splash and CBJ.

 

[LittleBuford]

Preface: I love CBJ.
Clarification: one of the reasons I love it is to me, it is (apparently unintentionally) mercilessly making fun of hillbilly stereotypes.
Observation: the lyrics of some songs are fairly surprising in modern context. “I think you should shoot him instead.” (If I typed that on Facebook, it might get removed with a warning.) “Blood on the” everything (and I love that scene, but I can also be aware those lyrics are nuts.) You can love something and also acknowledge it hasn’t aged well (like Splash.)

I take exception to all the off-hand comments about “the mob” and similar references. It minimizes the real situation that most of society has progressed and there are things we might have said in the 1970’s that we wouldn’t say in polite company today.

It’s OK to have nostalgia for the old stuff but also to realize that’s where we were at a point in time of our collective growth as a society. The people who made Song Of The South weren’t trying to be hateful or racist, but they ended up being racially insensitive through ignorance/unawareness.

I get what you’re saying, but to me, CBJ is (like the Tiki Room) such a venerable old relic that I’d hate to see it updated. Its more violent lyrics are so patently humorous that they lose their sting entirely. The whole thing is just a delight. That said, I’m clearly not unbiased when it comes to this particular attraction!

As an aside, the lyrics that strike me as the most out of keeping with our own time are “Every guy that turns me on turns me down”. To my modern (40-year-old) ears, this sounds rather saucy, and not the kind of thing one would expect to hear in a song intended for families.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

Fewer AAs and ones that are more up-to-date and thus easier to maintain

What he said. Behind closed doors that is the real reason for it.

Preface: I love CBJ.
Clarification: one of the reasons I love it is to me, it is (apparently unintentionally) mercilessly making fun of hillbilly stereotypes.
Observation: the lyrics of some songs are fairly surprising in modern context. “I think you should shoot him instead.” (If I typed that on Facebook, it might get removed with a warning.) “Blood on the” everything (and I love that scene, but I can also be aware those lyrics are nuts.) You can love something and also acknowledge it hasn’t aged well (like Splash.)

I take exception to all the off-hand comments about “the mob” and similar references. It minimizes the real situation that most of society has progressed and there are things we might have said in the 1970’s that we wouldn’t say in polite company today.

It’s OK to have nostalgia for the old stuff but also to realize that’s where we were at a point in time of our collective growth as a society. The people who made Song Of The South weren’t trying to be hateful or racist, but they ended up being racially insensitive through ignorance/unawareness.

We are a significantly softer society than we were in 1971. Even from 20 years ago. Everything is offensive. Most people don't get the charm of things like CBJ because they take it seriously. We have regressed as a society in so many ways since 1971 that it would need its own thread to discuss. Kids that are teenagers or in their early 20s I don't even want to imagine what our society is going to look like in 20 years. But one thing is for sure, people don't laugh anymore. Television isn't funny, late night television hasn't been funny in years and you'd have to dig deep to find funny movies or shows that come out these days. This is why the tongue in cheek attractions like CBJ don't "age" well in some people's minds. The whole idea of Blood on the Saddle and such is that it is intentionally meant to be funny. It isn't meant to be serious. I'm not very old, but even when I was a kid we knew this sort of stuff as kids, we didn't think the Bears were homicidal maniacs. This is why I cringe whenever even the suggestion of modern Disney "re-imagining" something comes up. Modern Disney couldn't re-imagine anything properly.

Probably the best laughs I had out in California was at the Golden Horseshoe. It was just pure slapstick comedy. Never taking itself seriously.

 

[Bocabear]

That is the truth...everyone is on edge these days looking to be mortified by something... It does seem like we are headed for a humorless society only being able to laugh at the lowest level of comedy...

 

[Tony the Tigger]

We are a significantly softer society than we were in 1971.

We are significantly more aware (well, most of us are) of racial, gender, and orientation-based issues. Some of us (in the majority) want to just shoo that away because they don’t want to “feel bad.” Now that’s soft.

 

[BuddyThomas]

What he said. Behind closed doors that is the real reason for it.


We are a significantly softer society than we were in 1971. Even from 20 years ago. Everything is offensive. Most people don't get the charm of things like CBJ because they take it seriously. We have regressed as a society in so many ways since 1971 that it would need its own thread to discuss. Kids that are teenagers or in their early 20s I don't even want to imagine what our society is going to look like in 20 years. But one thing is for sure, people don't laugh anymore. Television isn't funny, late night television hasn't been funny in years and you'd have to dig deep to find funny movies or shows that come out these days. This is why the tongue in cheek attractions like CBJ don't "age" well in some people's minds. The whole idea of Blood on the Saddle and such is that it is intentionally meant to be funny. It isn't meant to be serious. I'm not very old, but even when I was a kid we knew this sort of stuff as kids, we didn't think the Bears were homicidal maniacs. This is why I cringe whenever even the suggestion of modern Disney "re-imagining" something comes up. Modern Disney couldn't re-imagine anything properly.

Probably the best laughs I had out in California was at the Golden Horseshoe. It was just pure slapstick comedy. Never taking itself seriously.

People laugh plenty these days. There are all sorts of funny tv shows and movies, not to mention plays and musicals like Shucked and Peter Pan Goes Wrong. People don’t laugh anymore? Go to one of those shows. You’ll hear laughter for two and a half hours.

 

[BlakeW39]

We are significantly more aware (well, most of us are) of racial, gender, and orientation-based issues. Some of us (in the majority) want to just shoo that away because they don’t want to “feel bad.” Now that’s soft.

^^^^

Sensibities have changes.

Such is the way of things.

 

[cjkeating]

What he said. Behind closed doors that is the real reason for it.


We are a significantly softer society than we were in 1971. Even from 20 years ago. Everything is offensive. Most people don't get the charm of things like CBJ because they take it seriously. We have regressed as a society in so many ways since 1971 that it would need its own thread to discuss. Kids that are teenagers or in their early 20s I don't even want to imagine what our society is going to look like in 20 years. But one thing is for sure, people don't laugh anymore. Television isn't funny, late night television hasn't been funny in years and you'd have to dig deep to find funny movies or shows that come out these days. This is why the tongue in cheek attractions like CBJ don't "age" well in some people's minds. The whole idea of Blood on the Saddle and such is that it is intentionally meant to be funny. It isn't meant to be serious. I'm not very old, but even when I was a kid we knew this sort of stuff as kids, we didn't think the Bears were homicidal maniacs. This is why I cringe whenever even the suggestion of modern Disney "re-imagining" something comes up. Modern Disney couldn't re-imagine anything properly.

Probably the best laughs I had out in California was at the Golden Horseshoe. It was just pure slapstick comedy. Never taking itself seriously.

I did not expect Walt Disney to be posting this.

 

[Dansr731]

Will there be daquiris?

 

[JoeCamel]

Will there be daquiris?

hurricanes.....

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Of course. But with MK opening in 71, the bicentennial on the horizon for 76, and no need for New Orleans in Central Florida; those must have been factors.

Wondering what this would look like for the future of Liberty Square. Surely they've thought about it.

I would imagine that just like with Pirates, (they figured Florida was too close to the Caribbean), they figured NOLA was also too close, so they opted to go in a different direction.

 

[scottieRoss]

What he said. Behind closed doors that is the real reason for it.


We are a significantly softer society than we were in 1971. Even from 20 years ago. Everything is offensive. Most people don't get the charm of things like CBJ because they take it seriously. We have regressed as a society in so many ways since 1971 that it would need its own thread to discuss. Kids that are teenagers or in their early 20s I don't even want to imagine what our society is going to look like in 20 years. But one thing is for sure, people don't laugh anymore. Television isn't funny, late night television hasn't been funny in years and you'd have to dig deep to find funny movies or shows that come out these days. This is why the tongue in cheek attractions like CBJ don't "age" well in some people's minds. The whole idea of Blood on the Saddle and such is that it is intentionally meant to be funny. It isn't meant to be serious. I'm not very old, but even when I was a kid we knew this sort of stuff as kids, we didn't think the Bears were homicidal maniacs. This is why I cringe whenever even the suggestion of modern Disney "re-imagining" something comes up. Modern Disney couldn't re-imagine anything properly.

Probably the best laughs I had out in California was at the Golden Horseshoe. It was just pure slapstick comedy. Never taking itself seriously.

But more than anything, this points out that your feelings are out of touch with today. While you say that TV and late night TV are not funny, there are some very wealthy entertainers that would beg to differ with you. The idea of comedy has changed, it is just that you have not kept up with it.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

It would be nice if to know how certain posts are breaking rules...like for instance the post about Splash Mountain's retheme being a surprise. I don't see how that's controversial! It's just a fact!

A post being deleted is a pretty clear sign that it was breaking the rules. The Terms of Service are available to everyone here if you want to find more about why. On the subject of Splash Mountain specifically it's a good idea to refer to the Admin's posts at the beginning of the existing Splash threads for a rundown of what is and isn't considered acceptable on that subject.

That particular post you're referring to, as I recall, did more than state just "facts".

 

[RunForestRun]

What a shame it would be to retheme Frontierland. Walt would be rolling over in his grave at just the thought of it.

 

[The Mom]

Sometimes posts are deleted because they are off topic. Posts discussing other attractions are OT. The topic of this thread is not a discussion about Splash Mountain.

 

[wdwfan22]

But more than anything, this points out that your feelings are out of touch with today. While you say that TV and late night TV are not funny, there are some very wealthy entertainers that would beg to differ with you. The idea of comedy has changed, it is just that you have not kept up with it.

I disagree with you. Society as a whole is softer today. Everyone is offended by everything. If the Country Bear Jamboree was re-made today, most of the current show wouldn't be included as it would be considered offensive to some.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

But more than anything, this points out that your feelings are out of touch with today. While you say that TV and late night TV are not funny, there are some very wealthy entertainers that would beg to differ with you. The idea of comedy has changed, it is just that you have not kept up with it.

So what sort of comedy - today - is funny? It is so structured, so preachy..................

 

[Walt Disney1955]

I disagree with you. Society as a whole is softer today. Everyone is offended by everything. If the Country Bear Jamboree was re-made today, most of the current show wouldn't be included as it would be considered offensive to some.

I could start a thread on just how disastrous a Country Bears theme would be with modern Disney. They wouldn't know charm or comedy if it bit them in the face.

 

[TheCoasterNerd]

wasnt it his favorite land

What a shame it would be to retheme Frontierland. Walt would be rolling over in his grave at just the thought of it.