Rumor New nighttime show at Epcot

[montyz81]

Any know the timing of this new show? I am heading down in late April. I’d love to see ROE one last time.

 

[mikejs78]

Any know the timing of this new show? I am heading down in late April. I’d love to see ROE one last time.

You'll be fine by then.

 

[JoeCamel]

Hopefully WDW will keep fireworks at MK and have all the other parks have few-to-none pyro in them.

Reducing pryo in Night Time shows is not a bad thing, and will be l

Ummm, they just built a dedicated launch site at DHS.........

 

[Phil12]

Well, you don't know that, so, that's just a big fat lie.

MK just got more fireworks in HEA and last year fireworks was added to DHS when previously there was none.

Disney has their own internal carbon tax and each business unit has to pay this tax based upon their carbon footprint. This is designed to incentivize each division to reduce their carbon footprint. The money comes directly out of each business unit budget. The emissions are measured over a five year period. The plan in place now has reduced pyrotechnic emissions and is projected to further reduce such emissions to reduce the carbon tax and to also help protect the ecosystem of the South Florida Water Management District. Disney has done a very good job in their conservation and resource protection efforts.

 

[EvilChameleon]

Why aren't you addressing the points of Happily Ever After having tons more fireworks than Wishes, the shows at DHS having more fireworks than before (and hell, more shows than before), and the fact that they built a huge launch pad just for DHS?

Hello? Is this thing on? Or are you going to keep bullying on with your questionable information?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney has their own internal carbon tax and each business unit has to pay this tax based upon their carbon footprint. This is designed to incentivize each division to reduce their carbon footprint. The money comes directly out of each business unit budget. The emissions are measured over a five year period. The plan in place now has reduced pyrotechnic emissions and is projected to further reduce such emissions to reduce the carbon tax and to also help protect the ecosystem of the South Florida Water Management District. Disney has done a very good job in their conservation and resource protection efforts.

And yet, Disney has added more fireworks in the past 5 years. So, you lie.

 

[Cesar R M]

And yet, Disney has added more fireworks in the past 5 years. So, you lie.

Unless they are changing all the "shells" for green shells? aka less polluting but less bright?

I remember we had a thread when Wishes was testing these and they were considerable less bright.

 

[SteveAZee]

I wonder how bad the Tomorrowland Speedway is for producing carbon?

 

[Phil12]

And yet, Disney has added more fireworks in the past 5 years. So, you lie.

Disney has taken various steps to deal with the problem. First of all the bottom line in all of this is money. As I mentioned earlier, Disney has an internal tax to "punish" divisions that are not carbon neutral. As long as they're willing to pay the extra carbon tax, they can do so (but at the expense of other entertainment).

WDW has also used eco-friendly fireworks, but as you might imagine, those are more expensive. So either way they have to pay a price and it's up to management to decide how to make their budget work. But another factor is always lurking in the background and it's something Disney cannot ignore. Water and air pollution could turn out to cost them millions of dollars.

The federal government has not set a standard for perchlorate in drinking water and neither has Florida. However, Florida is looking at setting a perchlorate standard for drinking water. Therefore, WDW has to keep an eye on this for fear that every Florida county south of Orlando will demand money from Disney for water treatment facilities to remove perchlorate. It's not an immediate threat but it's something WDW must always be ready to address. And I think they'll want to be proactive on this issue.

Once again, as with most things, it all comes down to money. WDW has explored numerous solutions and I'm sure they'll try and find the least expensive way. For now they'll continue to use a combination of buying carbon credits and using the more expensive eco-friendly fireworks as the budget allows. Also, the new fireworks launch pads at DHS were designed to help contain and suppress pollutant emissions which is another step WDW has taken to help the situation. Of course, these are stop gap measures.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney has taken various steps to deal with the problem. First of all the bottom line in all of this is money. As I mentioned earlier, Disney has an internal tax to "punish" divisions that are not carbon neutral. As long as they're willing to pay the extra carbon tax, they can do so (but at the expense of other entertainment).

WDW has also used eco-friendly fireworks, but as you might imagine, those are more expensive. So either way they have to pay a price and it's up to management to decide how to make their budget work. But another factor is always lurking in the background and it's something Disney cannot ignore. Water and air pollution could turn out to cost them millions of dollars.

The federal government has not set a standard for perchlorate in drinking water and neither has Florida. However, Florida is looking at setting a perchlorate standard for drinking water. Therefore, WDW has to keep an eye on this for fear that every Florida county south of Orlando will demand money from Disney for water treatment facilities to remove perchlorate. It's not an immediate threat but it's something WDW must always be ready to address. And I think they'll want to be proactive on this issue.

Once again, as with most things, it all comes down to money. WDW has explored numerous solutions and I'm sure they'll try and find the least expensive way. For now they'll continue to use a combination of buying carbon credits and using the more expensive eco-friendly fireworks as the budget allows. Also, the new fireworks launch pads at DHS were designed to help contain and suppress pollutant emissions which is another step WDW has taken to help the situation. Of course, these are stop gap measures.

You still lied.

 

[marni1971]

It does seem Walt Disney World is becoming more conscious of its Firework usage and planning to decrease Firework shell usage at least in DHS and Epcot. DHS current firework show also uses a lot more lower pyro (cleaner) than the old one, and we know the the New iteration of Illuminations is going to be using Drones, and they can't shoot fireworks while Drones are in the air, so a good portion of the show will be without fireworks.

The DHS problem is not a carbon footprint issue or similar. Nor was it planned.

For Epcot, imagine the new show using drones to supplement the middle part of the show that’s been without pyro since 1999. As an example.

DAK for obvious reasons is unsuitable for a nightly pyrotechnics show.

 

[rle4lunch]

DAK for obvious reasons is unsuitable for a nightly pyrotechnics show.

The ROL "pyro" feels so out of place and weird, it's like it was either put in as an afterthought or scaled back immensely from the original plan.

 

[marni1971]

The ROL "pyro" feels so out of place and weird, it's like it was either put in as an afterthought or scaled back immensely from the original plan.

You mean the cigar lighters?

 

[rle4lunch]

You mean the cigar lighters?

Yes. I didn't know they were referred to as that, but it's a good analogy.

 

[marni1971]

Yes. I didn't know they were referred to as that, but it's a good analogy.

They’re kind of like the Inferno Barge ignitors but without the ignition.

 

[rle4lunch]

They’re kind of like the Inferno Barge ignitors but without the ignition.

They're kinda lame. lol

 

[Phil12]

You still lied.

The overall emission reductions (including pyrotechnic) are derived from the carbon offset program and the solar energy farms at WDW. As you're aware, WDW has a 22 acre parcel devoted to a solar energy farm that produces about 5MW of power in conjunction with Duke Energy. Last month they signed a deal with Origis Energy to build another solar farm on 270 acres of property that will produce 50MW of power.

Disney has done a good job in energy conservation and reduction of pollution. However, in some cases it is impossible, impractical or unsafe to reduce emissions. That is where the internal carbon tax and carbon offset program come into play. Disney purchases offsets such as forest conservation projects and they apply those offsets against their energy use and their pollution production.

Here is what TWDC says about their emissions:

"We are on track to meet our ambitious environmental targets, including reducing net emissions by 50% from 2012 levels and achieving 60% waste diversion from landfills and incineration, both by 2020."

https://ditm-twdc-us.storage.googleapis.com/TWDC-FY16-Data-Table-Final.pdf

I'm pleased that I was able to provide you with the facts of the matter so as to dispel any misinformation that led you to believe that emissions had increased.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The overall emission reductions (including pyrotechnic) are derived from the carbon offset program and the solar energy farms at WDW. As you're aware, WDW has a 22 acre parcel devoted to a solar energy farm that produces about 5MW of power in conjunction with Duke Energy. Last month they signed a deal with Origis Energy to build another solar farm on 270 acres of property that will produce 50MW of power.

Disney has done a good job in energy conservation and reduction of pollution. However, in some cases it is impossible, impractical or unsafe to reduce emissions. That is where the internal carbon tax and carbon offset program come into play. Disney purchases offsets such as forest conservation projects and they apply those offsets against their energy use and their pollution production.

Here is what TWDC says about their emissions:

"We are on track to meet our ambitious environmental targets, including reducing net emissions by 50% from 2012 levels and achieving 60% waste diversion from landfills and incineration, both by 2020."

https://ditm-twdc-us.storage.googleapis.com/TWDC-FY16-Data-Table-Final.pdf

I'm pleased that I was able to provide you with the facts of the matter so as to dispel any misinformation that led you to believe that emissions had increased.

This has nothing to do with fireworks. You said they reduced fireworks. That is false. You lied.

 

[disnyfan89]

The overall emission reductions (including pyrotechnic) are derived from the carbon offset program and the solar energy farms at WDW. As you're aware, WDW has a 22 acre parcel devoted to a solar energy farm that produces about 5MW of power in conjunction with Duke Energy. Last month they signed a deal with Origis Energy to build another solar farm on 270 acres of property that will produce 50MW of power.

Disney has done a good job in energy conservation and reduction of pollution. However, in some cases it is impossible, impractical or unsafe to reduce emissions. That is where the internal carbon tax and carbon offset program come into play. Disney purchases offsets such as forest conservation projects and they apply those offsets against their energy use and their pollution production.

Here is what TWDC says about their emissions:

"We are on track to meet our ambitious environmental targets, including reducing net emissions by 50% from 2012 levels and achieving 60% waste diversion from landfills and incineration, both by 2020."

https://ditm-twdc-us.storage.googleapis.com/TWDC-FY16-Data-Table-Final.pdf

I'm pleased that I was able to provide you with the facts of the matter so as to dispel any misinformation that led you to believe that emissions had increased.

No one is saying emissions have increased. You are misrepresenting facts to support that HEA decreased the number of shells used in the show over the amount in Wishes which is incorrect and factually wrong regardless of what the emissions report is.

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

The DHS problem is not a carbon footprint issue or similar. Nor was it planned.

For Epcot, imagine the new show using drones to supplement the middle part of the show that’s been without pyro since 1999. As an example.

DAK for obvious reasons is unsuitable for a nightly pyrotechnics show.

I feel like they would have to go back to the old show format to do a drone show. Imagine drones going off to the first sequence the origional Illuminations had,