Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

Rich Brownn

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I'm not sure that's the case but it wasn't my point. The system is designed to operate with both the monorails *and* the Ferry's. Take the monorails out of the picture or make it paid, and the Ferry's wouldn't be able to handle the monorail capacity in addition to their current load.
Two note... one, the Express monorail used to actually close in the afternoons back in the 70s. During the downtime is when they'd so checks and things. And two, one day we had a resort-wide power outage (Literally - even the hotels) so only the ferry boats were running (I think there was just two then). The crowd surged out to leave and boy, the FB could not handle it solo (since it was unexpected the TTC to MK trams were not operating to staffed). Nightmare day.
 

Cesar R M

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why not? keep ferry free packed to the gills like terminator salvation and if you dont want to feel like cattle better let go of some coin. add free monorail use as deluxe resort perk....I can see it 5 bucks seems low though. 9.99 seems a bit better.
Or, they could sell "day" or "full stay" packages that include unlimited transportation if they really have to charge to improve their crap.

I still wonder why would they demand money.. the hotels are more expensive than ever, parks too. they are swimming in money that would make Scrooge McDuck jealous.
 

Brad Bishop

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Classic WDW Magic. Everyone getting all mad and irritated at Disney for doing a thing that there's absolutely zero indication that they have any intention of doing.

It's not like there's not precedent.

The ironic thing is that it's actually one of the things that they probably really could charge for and most people (not all) would actually "get it". Mainly because they can see the various machines going by and they'd understand, "those things need maintenance/staff." It's a harder sell with a parking lot that, to most people, just "sits there" when in reality there are costs involved with that, too (cleaning, maintaining, resurfacing, drainage, etc.).

Really, if you had to pay a fee of $10/day to ride WDW transportation OR maybe $2/ride or maybe even $50/stay (all of this per person) it probably wouldn't affect their turnstiles.

I don't think that they could get away with the tram because people associate paying for parking as funding the tram but for all other forms of transportation, I think that they could get away with it with little push back (less than the resort parking fee).
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
It's not like there's not precedent.

The ironic thing is that it's actually one of the things that they probably really could charge for and most people (not all) would actually "get it". Mainly because they can see the various machines going by and they'd understand, "those things need maintenance/staff." It's a harder sell with a parking lot that, to most people, just "sits there" when in reality there are costs involved with that, too (cleaning, maintaining, resurfacing, drainage, etc.).

Really, if you had to pay a fee of $10/day to ride WDW transportation OR maybe $2/ride or maybe even $50/stay (all of this per person) it probably wouldn't affect their turnstiles.

I don't think that they could get away with the tram because people associate paying for parking as funding the tram but for all other forms of transportation, I think that they could get away with it with little push back (less than the resort parking fee).
It just doesn't make sense operationally when there's literally no other way to get from the parking lot to the front gates of the Magic Kingdom.

The closest I could see them coming (and this one actually wouldn't surprise me) is if they just make Magic Kingdom parking more expensive than the other parks. $24 at Magic Kingdom, $20 at Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom.
 

Brad Bishop

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It just doesn't make sense operationally when there's literally no other way to get from the parking lot to the front gates of the Magic Kingdom.

The closest I could see them coming (and this one actually wouldn't surprise me) is if they just make Magic Kingdom parking more expensive than the other parks. $24 at Magic Kingdom, $20 at Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom.

They could simply install Magic Band readers before loading onto the Monorail and Ferry. They could do the same for the other boats and buses. Cities do this all the time. You show up with a MagicBand or an RFID card and then you either bought transportation or you have it billed to your credit card. Every person who enters a park has to do this. Why is it a larger problem to have them do this on the transportation?

The fact that there's no other way to get from the parking lot to the MK is almost the genius of this plan. "Got a ticket and want to go to the MK? You need to pay a little extra for transportation..." If that doesn't sound like current management I don't know what does.
 

pdude81

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Besides the basic idea that people are already used to paying for parking at all entertainment and travel venues, I believe it would cost a lot more for infrastructure and staff to monitor tickets or add-ons at every monorail entry point than electronic parking gates with limited human backup. You've already either paid for a room, parking, or both. I don't see why they would charge for only one of the transportation modes and not others as well.

I think the projections of greed are a bit overblown. More "can you spare some change" than "give me your lunch money"
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
They could simply install Magic Band readers before loading onto the Monorail and Ferry. They could do the same for the other boats and buses. Cities do this all the time. You show up with a MagicBand or an RFID card and then you either bought transportation or you have it billed to your credit card. Every person who enters a park has to do this. Why is it a larger problem to have them do this on the transportation?

The fact that there's no other way to get from the parking lot to the MK is almost the genius of this plan. "Got a ticket and want to go to the MK? You need to pay a little extra for transportation..." If that doesn't sound like current management I don't know what does.
MagicBands aren't linked to credit cards, they're linked to resort folios. If you're not staying at a Walt Disney World resort, neither your MagicBand nor your RFID card is linked to any form of payment.
 

V_L_Raptor

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what they could do if they brought it back, is put the cast members name along side with the color, sortve like a hidden mickey.

So it might run a little something like this...

New visitor: So what's with the name on the monorail?
Repeat visitor: Walt Disney World is the park, and this is the Monorail System.
New visitor: No, not that one. They put someone's name on the nosecone. Who's that?
Repeat visitor: Oh. That's someone who died in an accident with the monorails.
New visitor: People die on these things?
Repeat visitor: It was an accident, there was a collision --
New visitor: These things collide?!

At this point, sentimentality over monorails isn't going to help our informative repeat visitor salvage the conversation. (Neither will, "well, collisions happen sometimes!") Better, perhaps, not to put the names on the new models...
 

Disone

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So it might run a little something like this...

New visitor: So what's with the name on the monorail?
Repeat visitor: Walt Disney World is the park, and this is the Monorail System.
New visitor: No, not that one. They put someone's name on the nosecone. Who's that?
Repeat visitor: Oh. That's someone who died in an accident with the monorails.
New visitor: People die on these things?
Repeat visitor: It was an accident, there was a collision --
New visitor: These things collide?!

At this point, sentimentality over monorails isn't going to help our informative repeat visitor salvage the conversation. (Neither will, "well, collisions happen sometimes!") Better, perhaps, not to put the names on the new models...

Or "He was a former monorail driver."
 

Brad Bishop

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it's fascinating how many people still don't understand this aspect of MagicBands.

I think that's missing the point. I've used metro cards in many cities which weren't directly linked to my credit card but I still had to buy a fare of some type to put on them. You can, as mentioned, link a MagicBand to a portfolio at the hotel and then pay for it later (you get some allotment). There's really no reason why they couldn't do it as many toll locations do it in the USA where you buy a certain value/allotment, then use it up, and then get billed to replentish it.

None of that really matters. What matters is that the same RFID that can store your ticket into the parks, your hotel room key, and let you charge things back to your resort, is the same one that realistically could be used to charge you for transportation.

There's no reason, for example, that they couldn't add transportation to this RFID ticket that you had to wave next to a reader to be allowed onto the transit of choice - just like every other metro-card out there. The specifics of how your charged are irrelevant to how the system would function for getting you onto the transit of choice and somehow making sure you pay for it.
 

s8film40

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Are you sure that they don't do that? Cause I think they do. Maybe not as often as some think they should, but, to say they don't react to problems quickly is really not a provable statement. If one of the critics is a person that deals with low speed monorail trains is posting that, please come forward because unless you are, you really have no clue as to what should or shouldn't be happening. I'd guess that most of you have cars and drive on bald tires, are about 10K miles past your oil change time and when you hear a strange noise you simply turn the radio up louder so you can't hear it.
Yeah they definitely don’t do that with the WDW monorails. I’ve always thought it was strange they don’t do a full tear down/rebuild refurbishment. They do for lots of attractions. As you said in you’re other post it’s not maintenance fault, but there has been a steady decline in maintenance over the years. It’s not to say they’re doing less work but they have more important things to fix and other things get neglected. Social media is another big factor, the door open incident was hardly the first time something like that had happened, but little things like that are far more likely to get more attention now. These things are going to continue to happen and the attention on the monorails is only going to get more critical. Everyone basically has their phone out expecting and ready to record video or take photos when they break now.
 

Disone

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I absolutely agree with that. I just hate to hear such foolishness like the definitive phrase "Disney doesn't do maintenance." It makes no sense at all and is an insult to the people that work their butts of to make things a safe as they can. What happened with the ONE train could have been terrible, but, it wasn't and was handled in the quickest least disruptive way possible and could have just as easily happened with a brand new train with a faulty part. The trains should be replaced, but, considering the age of that equipment lets point our fingers at the real culprits and not make it sound like the maintenance crew is not doing the best they can and being quite successful in the process. I feel that when people say that they are saying that the bosses are to blame, but, not for lack of maintenance, but, for lack of planning ahead and replacing the fleet when they should have. That is not a maintenance problem, that is a management problem. Don't blame the workers, because that is how it comes across.
I don't think anyone is faulty in the maintenance crew. I think their fault of the people who make the budgets for maintenance. Maybe the maintenance crew needs to be a little bit bigger. Maybe the parts supply a little bit more generous. Maybe the train should be scheduled for repainting far before they look like monorail Coral today. This is an undoctored photo taken today of monorail Coral.
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s8film40

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I don't think anyone is faulty in the maintenance crew. I think their fault of the people who make the budgets for maintenance. Maybe the maintenance crew needs to be a little bit bigger. Maybe the parts supply a little bit more generous. Maybe the train should be scheduled for repainting far before they look like monorail Coral today. This is an undoctored photo taken today of monorail Coral.
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Not that I disagree with anything you said, but I think what you may be seeing here may be a protective film they put over the doors. I believe they put that on the doors they use for wheelchairs to minimize the damage from CM’s scratching the trains with the ramps.
 

lazyboy97o

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Yeah they definitely don’t do that with the WDW monorails. I’ve always thought it was strange they don’t do a full tear down/rebuild refurbishment. They do for lots of attractions. As you said in you’re other post it’s not maintenance fault, but there has been a steady decline in maintenance over the years. It’s not to say they’re doing less work but they have more important things to fix and other things get neglected.
This is why I think it’d be prudent to expand the fleet to something like 14 trains, even if those were the only fully new trains. You would then be able to have one train down for extended work, one train down for more seasonal work and a third train down for minor work / backup while still keeping 11 trains on the beam.
 

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