New Monorail Fleet for WDW

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Prock3

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They will never expand the monorail it isn't cost effective vs busses! A light rail fares a little better vs busses but even then it isn't likely
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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randyrut said:
I am sure there are people out there who post things just to start a thread because they are bored. But I am sure there is some truth to a lot of them. I love Disney and have all the faith in the world in their decisions. Next Gen, etc...it will all benefit the parks shareholders. The only thing they need to make right is the whole FastPass+ system...
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Fixed that for you. ;)
 
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Admiral01

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Tim_4 said:
The theory is, you WOULD have done all those things and spent all that money without the monorails, just maybe at different places. The monorail does not make you buy dinner and drinks, it merely facilitates WHERE you buy dinner and drinks. Without the monorail, you might boat over to the Wilderness Lodge for and eat at Artist Point rather than monorail to the Contemporary to eat at Cali Grill. The monorail doesn't make you hungry or thirsty, and when you're hungry and thirsty you're going to eat and drink whether the monorail is there or not. You don't think about this when you're actually doing it but it's called "cannibalization" and it's absolutely real. This comes up with merch all the time. People say "Disney should offer more unique merchandise because they'll sell more stuff." Studies show that this just doesn't play out in reality. If someone will buy ONE t-shirt, they'll only buy ONE t-shirt whether it's resort specific or completely generic. It's not like they'd buy the generic shirt PLUS the new unique one.
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You make a very good point. I know how this is for me, and only me, but I know me.

The reality is, the monorail facilitated me buying dinner and drinks on property on many nights. Without the monorail, I would have left property, or not returned to property following my day offsite. My visits to Central Florida often involve NASA Kennedy, and/or conferences around town. Basically, half my time is for work. Anyway, the fact is, except for California Grill which happens once on each trip, my visits to the Grand Floridian, Polynesian, and Contemporary happen because I like riding the monorail.

Regarding merchandise, I've not purchased a t-shirt, or anything else for that matter, since I bought my EPCOT Center "the future began" t-shirt a few years ago. It was new and unique, so I bought it. I've never (never) purchased a generic Disney piece of merchandise, because I don't see the value in it. So, the choice for me isn't between the new unique thing vs the generic thing, and I choose one. My choice is between the new unique thing vs buying nothing at all. The generic stuff doesn't even factor in. I have never gone into the park saying "I need to buy a t-shirt on this trip." I will probably buy the new Disney Parks CD when I head down this October. However, if that isn't available for some reason, I am not going to buy some other CD instead. It is either what I want, or nothing at all. A few years ago, I was craving alfredo chicken after work one day, so we headed from the World Marriott to the Caribbean Beach (because CBR was close, and I know the layout well). Turns out, they didn't have the white sauce. Instead of compromising and getting something else, we hopped back in the car, and left property for dinner. That wouldn't have happened if I was on the monorail instead of a rental car.

On that note, I know I am a pain in the rear to live with. I don't know how she does it...

I am probably in the minority here for both how the monorail facilitates me spending money on property, as well as not purchasing merchandise. I don't mean to be argumentative. This is just how I roll when I visit WDW. Disneyland is even worse. There are so many really cool things to buy and eat that aren't on property. Both WDW and DL need to try really, really hard to get me to spend any money on property, other than my ticket and my room - which I realize is probably the biggest part of the cost...
 
wm49rs

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
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SPMTCP2003 said:
I suppose I should mention that the CM I heard this from is someone I know, not just some CM I struck up a conversation with while waiting for a monorail... :cyclops:
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I know the bookie that gives me the "lock" on the fifth race at Santa Anita, but it still doesn't count for much should the nag fail to win, place or show....
 
Tom Morrow

Tom Morrow

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You can't charge for it at WDW since its main access from the parking lot TO the park. Imagine how ed people would be if they had to pay for parking and THEN buy a ticket for the monorail just to get to the front gates of the park?
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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Tim_4 said:
I know all that. Your argument is that this gives Disney an advantage over the city of Las Vegas. It doesn't. Las Vegas doesn't need special permission to use government-like powers because it IS a government.

The benefit of Reedy Creek's bonds is that they're treated as municipal (i.e. governmental) bonds, which aren't taxable to the bond holder. Thus, bond holders demand lower interest rates because the interest they earn is tax free. That's it. Every single bridge or other state or local bond-funded project is treated exactly the same way. Disney's advantage over other companies is that Reedy Creek is treated as a city/town. There is absolutely NO advantage over OTHER cities/towns, which all get the same benefit. You obviously have a neat coffee table book about the founding of Walt Disney World, but you really don't know what you're talking about regarding tax law.
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Wrong. This is not the city. It is a private corporation.

EDIT - The LV monorail is not owned or operated by the city. It is owned and operated by a private not for profit corporation. This is why they had to vote on the bond issue. Whether of not the city should extend their power to sell bonds for a private corporation.
 
GrumpyFan

GrumpyFan

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Nmoody1 said:
Why would Disney connect DTD with the parks... So people can park there for free and take transport to the parks?
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This could be easily solved, especially now that everyone staying on property will be wearing MagicBands. They simply install a turnstile/gate and each rider has to swipe their band to enter the station or ride the train.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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Tonka's Skipper said:
I have to admit I always LOL at these rumors about expansion of anything. There is always the same few that don't believe it and comment like *this is absolutely not true*, like they have any inside information about it. Then you have the ones that say *this is a done deal, its going to happen*.

Lets be real here...............it is possible a Monorail expansion?, yes it's possible, the size of the barn is not the issue, it's whether it's worth the costs, especially as monorail rails systems have come down greatly with the new techno, its more possible.

Now before anyone jumps up, please do a little on line research, the systems are cheaper, especially when you make use of new techno and company system for things like track that are in production. The biggest cost savings will be the fact of labor costs dropping as the new trains will be automated. Over years and the reduced buses needed, that will add up.

All that said, does that mean it is absolutely going to happen, no it does not! However I do believe new trains are on the horizon.

My own opinion is a new *pod/light rail* ground and partially elevated system, will connect some parks, DTD and resorts, etc.


I also see that in the last 2 years of so, the purse strings have been loosened and the Iger bean counters have been pushed aside. Look at the new attractions being added, both announced and *likely*. The many full and reimagined ride refrubs, a return to a standard of upkeep and maintenance of years ago. All good things.


AKK
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Notice that I didn't say it was definitely going to happen and I didn't say it definitely won't happen. I gave the history and showed why it should happen in the long term.

Also, from a transit planning point of view, the Disney property is so neatly planned with easily defined centers that makes it so easy for connecting the dots. The layout is a transit planner's dream. This is a situation they can take advantage of or be foolish not to.
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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ISTCNavigator57 said:
Well that's certainly not true. There are plenty of capex projects ongoing. We have FLE completing, Disney Spring starting, an expansion to Disney's Best-Kept Secret, Avatar, and the DHS project. Plus work at Epcot. There's actually a LOT going on at WDW right now. More than we've seen this millennium.
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1. What is the expansion to Disney's best kept secret? What is Disney's best kept secret?
2. What DHS project?
3. What EC work?
 
PeterAlt

PeterAlt

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Nmoody1 said:
Why would Disney connect DTD with the parks... So people can park there for free and take transport to the parks?

If they do connect the parks in any way then I think we'll be seeing paid parking at DTD (think we'll probably see it anyway.... Wait for a huge news conference/parks blog update heralding the arrival of something great at WDW - paid parking at a shopping mall!)

I think it's a dream that the parks all be connected. It would be a huge construction process that would take a very long time for one thing (we know how fast Disney works). I believe we may see new trains.... I can't see anybody taking the monorail to experience Star Wars land at the Studios or whatever film franchise they will slp into the Animal Kingdom - grand opening 2032.
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You're forgetting the advantage to this is that chances are they'll spend more money at DTD and park for free than the parking fee at a park.
 

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