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Well I have a few ideas:


For MK

Discovery Bay

a a turn of the century sciencietific outpost set on a bay

the attractions here would be:

20,000 Leauges Under the Sea: Tokyo Disney Sea version

The Hyperion Adventure: a suspended EMV ride

The Great Contraption: a multi-demensional egg scrambler type ride, picture an egg-scrambler with ferris wheels in-place of the cars, then the cars on the ferris wheels would be inside gyros so that they may spin 360 degrees on a horizontal plane and in a flipping manner.


or

Mystic Island

Essentailly the non-animal counter part to BK, this land would be centered around mystical beings. Many different ride possibliteis here so I'll leave it open.
 
Originally posted by WeirdOne
I was also going to suggest the Discovery Bay idea also. LOL! - The WeirdOne :D

Creepy :lookaroun

What attractions did you have in mind, anything different from what I have?


Also I would like to add:

Geyser Mountain:

Might be hard to explain my version is basically a water flume ride through a flodded mine shaft very dark there is only a spot light on the boat(the darkness helps conceal the mechanics later) You eventially get stuck in a small chamber after a passage collapses, this unfortunatley happens to be ontop of an actuve gyser, at this point a platform at the back of your boat locks onto a a sandwich platform the boat shoots up spins 360 degeres then fallsslwoly titlting forward on the way down hits the bottom of the chamber and smashes out through the collapsed rubble then shoots down through a tunnel and unfrountaely out a 80 degree drop out the side of the mountain into the bay.

Then perhaps remove Timekeeper from Tommorowland and put something else in it's place like an expanded Alein Encounter Ride

Then put a similair attraction in Discovery Bay, called the Time Machine, and make it some sort of 3-d theatermaybe with a few twists, like perhapse make it a mulit-chamber theater, like you go into one show room see the show then you exit thorugh a walkthorugh of the time period then into a new but identiacal theater as before see the next part of the show and so on doint this several times.


Also on the great contraption everything is made to look like giant gears and cogs.

Below is a sort of map and boat detail.


*below the gray is walkway and the black lines indicate the type of faade region of the colored areas, the colors are the boundaires of the facade, not the black lines
 

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james4023464

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For Magic Kingdom I had an idea called Camalot Village, the land will be centered around Camalot. The attractions will be Dragon's Lair(flying coaster), Excalibar(dark ride), Haunted Castle, King Authur's Labryanth, and Medevil Times Resturaunt. I have more about this in my Disneyland Virginia post.
 

WeirdOne

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Where do you see your Discovery Bay going? Also, I'm not sold on your version of Geyser Mountain, I personally had a better idea. But, I don't have time to post it.

I also have some other ideas.

1. Redo of Magic Kingdom Fantasyland. (Someone tell me that thing is ugly, because, well, it is!)
2. Redo of Tokyo Disneyland Tomorrowland (They have already begun and are doing some things to it)

Now some suggestions:
1. Add Discovery Bay to Disneyland Paris, I feel that it doesn't fit anywhere else.
2. From what I heard, the Tokyo 20K version does have flaws and I would list them but I would have to scour posts at LaughingPlace and we would need to correct those.
3. I do not agree with the Great Contraption idea. I please explain it btter or more.
4. Please explain the Hyperion Adventure, again, I cannot judge it based on a name and ride system.
5. I perfer to edit your Gyser Mountain. I personally disagree with the idea of the boat. And the wet drop.
6. I think removing Timekeeper is ghetto. That is a great show and needs to stay. I disagree with that completely.

What I was going to suggest for this was mostly based on the real Discovery Bay.

- 20,000 Leagues
- Top of The World (I'll find the article on it)
- A Magnetic Coaster that seemed to be removed early on (Space Mountain Paris?)
- A Boat Ride (Forgot the name and I'll find the article on that too).
- 80 Days Around The World
- Gyser Mountain

Most of those are self explanatory, I'll find the articles about the other ones soon. I'm busy with school now. Thanks! - The WeirdOne :D
 
Originally posted by WeirdOne
1. Add Discovery Bay to Disneyland Paris, I feel that it doesn't fit anywhere else.
2. From what I heard, the Tokyo 20K version does have flaws and I would list them but I would have to scour posts at LaughingPlace and we would need to correct those.
3. I do not agree with the Great Contraption idea. I please explain it btter or more.
4. Please explain the Hyperion Adventure, again, I cannot judge it based on a name and ride system.
5. I perfer to edit your Gyser Mountain. I personally disagree with the idea of the boat. And the wet drop.
6. I think removing Timekeeper is ghetto. That is a great show and needs to stay. I disagree with that completely.

What I was going to suggest for this was mostly based on the real Discovery Bay.

- 20,000 Leagues
- Top of The World (I'll find the article on it)
- A Magnetic Coaster that seemed to be removed early on (Space Mountain Paris?)
- A Boat Ride (Forgot the name and I'll find the article on that too).
- 80 Days Around The World
- Gyser Mountain

Most of those are self explanatory, I'll find the articles about the other ones soon. I'm busy with school now. Thanks! - The WeirdOne :D

The theme of Discovery Bay atleast as I see it is the Inudstrial Reovlution with a sci-fi take on it.

Physically I am not sure where it would go but if I do recall correctly there about some near 3 parcels of land open near MK for expasionsion about,16,18 and 27 acres maybe apeice, I'll have to look that up again.

I am really not sure what you mean by not "agree"ing about rides, that is a very vauge comment.

so without your onjections being more clear I really would have trouble responding but I will try.

The Great Contraption is essentially an Egg Scrambler but to the nth degree the ferriss wheel and gyro scope componets are to add a number of various diffent cycles that would not be possible other wise. the indivisual cars would titlt between 85 and -85 degreees in the x-direction and be able to spin 360 degrees in the xy-plane the ferris wheel componet then allows the cars to move in a cirular motion in the xz plane 360 degrees, this ride woudl have a very large ride capcity and would be a next generation flat ride. I can not say exactly what the acutal motions would be cause I do not know enough about the disorintation factors of a ride like this, but I amagine that with limited motion from the car components this ride with give guests very unique thrills, for instance one move that could be done, is while the egg scrabler is in a typilcal cycle the cars coudl tilt forward 90 degrees and the wheel coudl make one rotation, the effect woudl be falling forward toward the ground the moving back wards and up away from the ground during a egg scrambler cycle. This ride woudl be somewhat intense but nothing like Disney has ever offered before.

Hyperion Adventure woudl be an a suspened EMV ride where guests journey out in a Hyperion on a senic sky balloning adventure to and thorugh a dormaint volcaneo, the problem woudl come when guests encounter a thunder storm and the air ship must battle for survival, soon after evading that the ship illfatedly travels over a volcanoe which is acutally far from dormant happens to errupt and nearly crashes the air ship as it pungles into the volcanoe aonly pulling up and out at the last second. The weary guest than are brought back in one peice.

What I have posted for gyser mountain is a bit weak and vauge because I have changed it so many times I am nto really even sure what I want to see, the only thing I perticualry have for it is that it is a Water Coaster that incorperates a vertical boost and drop. Similarly for The Hyperion Adventure I could be eaisly swayed to change the events I just relaly am set on the ride system there.

Please refrain from calling something "gehtto" it is rather rude, and I believe you are of the level to disagree with an idea with out resorting to name calling, besides my idea is to transplant Time Keeper re-name it and expand upon it. The name change woudl just be to better reflect the area, it would still have the TimeKeeper and nine-eye although they would be made to look a little more turn of the centurey robitic. The ride would then be made to be 3-D and have 5 or 6 spearate theater chambers at brakes in the show, guests would exit one of the theaters walk through a "walkthrough exhibit" of the current time period that they were in when the movie paused, then enter the next theater where it woudl pick back up(suppsoed to be the same time machine(this time guests woudl acutally be travleing through time, with nine-eye on the outside of the machine showing for when guests are inside) and so on. Really I just needed to fill space from my layout and thought it would be neat to move Time Keeper here and re-build it on a more grand scale.

I am well aware of the actuall desgins for Discovery Bay, however I thought it would be more fun to sort of take the basic foundation and create our own.


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On a side note these are just some pirlliminary ideas, maybe we shoudl not use these ideas at all I am open to any suggestions, but no one else has really posted much in detail so I just through some stuff out there, since the only comments so far have been rather negative maybe we should just scratch my ideas and the whole Disncovery Bay thing all together, I am always open to Shadowlands.
 

WeirdOne

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Originally posted by FigmentDream
I am really not sure what you mean by not "agree"ing about rides, that is a very vauge comment.
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The Great Contraption is essentially an Egg Scrambler but to the nth degree the ferriss wheel and gyro scope componets are to add a number of various diffent cycles that would not be possible other wise. the indivisual cars would titlt between 85 and -85 degreees in the x-direction and be able to spin 360 degrees in the xy-plane the ferris wheel componet then allows the cars to move in a cirular motion in the xz plane 360 degrees, this ride woudl have a very large ride capcity and would be a next generation flat ride. I can not say exactly what the acutal motions would be cause I do not know enough about the disorintation factors of a ride like this, but I amagine that with limited motion from the car components this ride with give guests very unique thrills, for instance one move that could be done, is while the egg scrabler is in a typilcal cycle the cars coudl tilt forward 90 degrees and the wheel coudl make one rotation, the effect woudl be falling forward toward the ground the moving back wards and up away from the ground during a egg scrambler cycle. This ride woudl be somewhat intense but nothing like Disney has ever offered before.
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What I have posted for gyser mountain is a bit weak and vauge because I have changed it so many times I am nto really even sure what I want to see, the only thing I perticualry have for it is that it is a Water Coaster that incorperates a vertical boost and drop. Similarly for The Hyperion Adventure I could be eaisly swayed to change the events I just relaly am set on the ride system there.
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Please refrain from calling something "gehtto" it is rather rude, and I believe you are of the level to disagree with an idea with out resorting to name calling, besides my idea is to transplant Time Keeper re-name it and expand upon it. The name change woudl just be to better reflect the area, it would still have the TimeKeeper and nine-eye although they would be made to look a little more turn of the centurey robitic. The ride would then be made to be 3-D and have 5 or 6 spearate theater chambers at brakes in the show, guests would exit one of the theaters walk through a "walkthrough exhibit" of the current time period that they were in when the movie paused, then enter the next theater where it woudl pick back up(suppsoed to be the same time machine(this time guests woudl acutally be travleing through time, with nine-eye on the outside of the machine showing for when guests are inside) and so on. Really I just needed to fill space from my layout and thought it would be neat to move Time Keeper here and re-build it on a more grand scale.
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On a side note these are just some pirlliminary ideas, maybe we shoudl not use these ideas at all I am open to any suggestions, but no one else has really posted much in detail so I just through some stuff out there, since the only comments so far have been rather negative maybe we should just scratch my ideas and the whole Disncovery Bay thing all together, I am always open to Shadowlands.

Let me please appologize to you first and foremost, I meant nothing negative or rude by my comments. I'm sick right now and I'm not putting things into words right.

First, by not agreeing, I mean, I don't think it seem to be the right kind of Disney attraction. It's my way of politely saying I dislike it. I just still don't understand the idea at all other than it will be some extreme thrill ride and that's about all I can comprehend now.

Second, I know you are set on using a watercoaster with a Splash down, but I personally (key word) that we have enough water rides in one park and that it should be an innovative ride system liek your EMV2. Again, just a suggestion and my opinion.

Third, I like your idea of the Hyperion Adventure, I guess my comment was a bit rash, please forgive me. I just think the volcano idea is a bit voerused, can't we make it flying over an island and a thunderstorm strikes or something and you go crashing to the island but the storm gives way and you touchdown? Again, a suggestion.

Fourth, I'm sorry about "ghetto". It recently is part of my vocabulary. I didn't mean for it to come out deroggatory or rude. I just mean to say, that sounds like a non-logical idea based on the show itself right now. It is a popular show with lots of guests. If it was older, or in danger of dying, sure (well, depends on what park we are refering to.). I like the idea of moving it, but not altering it to much or toying with an already great idea. Maybe if we added more scenes instead of rooms because moving and standing is an awful lot to do, so I say we just make the movie longer. Makes sense right? Again, I appologize for "ghetto".

Fifth, I like the Discovery Bay idea personally and would rather not go with Shadowlands. I did not in any way mean to critize your ideas as bad or cause a negative response. I thought maybe we would know that one disagreeing opinion from a stubborn fanatic doesn't mean the idea is bad ;). So please, take all this into consideration. - The WeirdOne :D
 
Don't worry, I really didn't takee much offense to your previous post, trying to learn about line integrals and vector feilds does not put me in the greatest of mood myself.

Well, the the Great Contraption would really not be an "extreme thrill at all" we are not talking very high speeds here and you never go upside down. If you know what typical amusment ride called the "shake rattle and roll" or variations of that, this should have about that intensity with a little bit of more visual eye-candy. The acutal ride system is a bit hard to understand so let me atleast expand upon the ride expereince. The idea is that so industrialis has developed this Great Contraption to solve people's problem of not having enough time in a day to do things. The idea then is that this machine woudl spin and turn guests through all sorts of different stations where they woudl be given the impression of a fucnction that shoudl be hapening in that room the problem being that the inventors misclaculated and the machine is moving entierly to fast for the guests to complete there desitred activites so the best thing they can do is hold on and enjoy the ride. That being said this mechnical monster would have a seeries of rooms built around it that it would turn and spin past. Very horizions like acutally so of the idea of a robot butler doing everything for you, this contraption is supposed. Really I would consider this a moderate thrill.

I like your point about Geyser Mountain and I too agree that a new ride system shoudl be used, acutally EMV2 would work, but I still think you need to get wet it is called geyser mountain after all. So maybe the only water part would be when the geyser go off under you you get blasted up, then the EMV2 tech provides the free-fall previously described. We can work out the rest of the ride later.

Sure let's cut out the Volcanoe from Hyperion Adventure if you think a strom would be enough I was afraid it would not be, so I added the volcanoe.

You do make a good point about the Time Machine, that may be a flow nightmare aswell, so let's say if we do transplant it, let's just make a name change, and a bit re-styling to fit the turn of the century feel. Really the only reason for this transpalnt is to allow Tommorwland to more complelty take on an Intergalactic theme that they are slowly moving towards anyways.

Okay, so let's stick with Discovery Bay for now, well ateast as a possiblity let's make the attractions into two lists A (must have) and B(maybe)

A
20,000 Leagues Uner the Sea
Geyser Mountain
Hyperion Adventure

B
THe Great Contraption
The Time Machine


Any other comments anyone else, more ideas for lands anyone?

James want to expand upon your ideas for Cammolet Village?

Chad any comments on anything?
 

WeirdOne

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I like it! I'm glad we managed to find that area in between where we could all agree. I'm going to post some Discovery Bay articles so we can get a feel for the original land and retain that feel, but not necessarily the rides and such.

The Great Contraption sounds like a pretty good idea, just neeeds some more kinks and bugs worked out. I guess I need a pictures to get it a bit more. I understand it much better now, but still not completely enough.

The Gyser Mountain, yes, it could get wet only at the geyser part. Maybe water dripping in the caverns. If you think about, we used primitive technology in this land and let's have at least 1 original technologoical ride, which is why I proposed the EMV2 idea instead of boats.

Well, for Hyperion adventure, I was thinking more along the lines of, you are treaking to the volcano and the storm knocks you off course and stuff, we could use some cool water and special effects with strobe lights and monsters in the sky attacking you and stuff.

Are we plannin on Entertainment, this land seems pretty dead. Every land has some sort of stage show or parade, etc. So, maybe we could transplant Fantasmic along the river ;). Get it out of the studios and make way for a new show and finally add in that Nemo scene we have been waiting for or possibly a stage show about Gold Digging or something?

Also, I still say we put this in Disneyland Paris, it seems very logical, and their Rivers Of America is perfect with their Big Thunder Mountain there and they have the Timekeeper also, which we can change into Discovery Bay, but the only problem I see is a possible clash with their Tomorrowland. Tokyo doesn't have the space and Magic Kingdom seems like the only logical choice left, but I really do not want it there. What about Hong Kong?

I think the Time Machine should go in category A though. If we want to remove it from Tomorrowland, then I guess it should go here because it is a wonderful ride. - The WeirdOne :D
 
Well. I'll try to work on the Great Contraption a bit more tommorow and will see what will turn out of it......


Okay Hypeiron woudl still work that way, but I am not so sure about sky monsters; This is sci-fi but this is not fantasy,granted we'll have giant squids but those are real, not common, but real non the less, maybe jsut stick with the storm, and maybe you could get attacked by sky pirates, like other hyperions with cannons, and stuff trying to rob the rich lesuire flyers, hey they used to do this to trains, sounds a little more realisitic to me atleast


Disneyland Paris woudl work too, I don't know why but I just think MK needs more to the Frontierland area, it just seems so underdeveloped with the way it is SP and BTMR and it seems like an wonderful corner of the park, and it shoudl be a wonderful area, so I thought that Discoveryland coudl be added in kinda behind it. I know Disneyland is kinda the same way but I just never got that same feeling there, dunno why I guess I am jsut a little kooky
:p

Yes, we can work on entertainment and everything else, but I think would shoudl hold off a little and see what other possiblites can arise before we go to far, I am kinda surprised no one wanted to lokk farther into my Mystic Island idea, I was sure with so many BK fans that a human counter part would have atleast intrest raised.

So I will get some stuff up for the Great Contraption, but really that could be applied to other stuff as well(the system), but let's not go too far with this idea jsut yet, it is still just a possible proposal for a project.

Chad any input? it would seem we have atleast two worked out ideas Mine and WierdOne's Discovery Bay and Jame's Cammalot Village*



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*Descitption found here:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10704&pagenumber=3

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10704&perpage=15&pagenumber=4
 
Notes:

-The ride system rasies from level entry to level six show room, with out any rotational motion at the beging of the ride.

-Cars rotate during transtitions like a Ferris Wheel rotation

-Each Cycle is 2 rotations of the center
 

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WeirdOne

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I'm getting it more, that diagram really helped. I think this would make a great ride for Discovery Bay, I just wonder where Chad is. Seems he dumpd us this time around. LOL! - The WeirdOne :D
 

WeirdOne

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FigmentDream, I think maybe Chad is out on this one, so, I say we develop this ourselves until he deciedes to show up. I want some great live entertainment in this place! - The WeirdOne :D
 
Well I'll try this next week is kinda hectic though and then the next is exams, although I oddly enough may have more free-time then, but then I am on break on the 13th so I'll have lot's of free time then, so if you want to I'll develope it with you and anyone else who would want to join in too


BTW this isn't muntiny is it ?!? :lookaroun
 
WeirdOne,

If you want to post your ideas for entertainment, I have enough time to review stuff just not time to really propose anything.


Anyone else please add ideas if you wish
 

WeirdOne

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Well, I say we move Fantasmic! over here first of all. Make like the dragon and some other villians come out the side of the mountain and make it really creepy and nice and add in that infamouse "NEMO scene" because I thinks it's wonderful.

As for possible stage shows, I was hoping we could transplant "One Man's Dream" that USED to play at Tokyo Disneyland. It's about Walt Disney and is a really excellent show despite the fact that I haven't seen it, but I've only heard music. Walt was a visionary, so I think this fits. Plus, it gives this land a character feel.

I was also hoping that we could possibly stick in the nightly fireworks shows here along the "Bay" instead of a castle show, or have rotations, and we could make great used of the geyser/volcano thing.

Also, atmospheric entertainment, like rock people and a crazy scientist band with wacked out hair and cool gadgets and majorly decorated instruments. LOL!

Instead of "One Man's Dream" if you guys don't like that, how about an original show (could possibly run after "One Man's Dream" while we develop it) about the Gold Rush and have characters and song related to that. Ok, I think I don't have anymore, feel free to critize. - The WeirdOne :D
 

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