News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

AJFireman

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Some pictures I took last night. Interesting they had security posted up. Like the sound in the queue area being loud this is just too bright. All the other lighting in the area (Bayou and New Orleans) has either frosted glass or warped glass diffusing the light output.

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chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
Some pictures I took last night. Interesting they had security posted up. Like the sound in the queue area being loud this is just too bright. All the other lighting in the area (Bayou and New Orleans) has either frosted glass or warped glass diffusing the light output.

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I'm really hoping they are set that bright right now so workers can see what they are doing while working on it while during the park's closed hours and that they will tone them down once the store is open. It really overpowers the dimly lit mansion and mountain.
 

wityblack

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Some pictures I took last night. Interesting they had security posted up. Like the sound in the queue area being loud this is just too bright. All the other lighting in the area (Bayou and New Orleans) has either frosted glass or warped glass diffusing the light output.

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Security for all the people that want to commit bodily harm against this gift shop.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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The new Fresh Baked video may explain the mystery of why the gift shop looks as out of place as it does, he’s comparing it to a kit you can order online, not custom built, not WDI built… an off the shelf “she shed” he thinks they bought online to save money.

I’m not 100% sold it’s the kit he’s showing but suspect it likely is.

 

MK-fan

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The new Fresh Baked video may explain the mystery of why the gift shop looks as out of place as it does, he’s comparing it to a kit you can order online, not custom built, not WDI built… an off the shelf “she shed” he thinks they bought online to save money.

I’m not 100% sold it’s the kit he’s showing but suspect it likely is.

Yea, Moonraker posted that link a couple of weeks ago on here. I mentioned that they probably got some guys waiting outside the Home Depot to build it for them as well, it did go up super fast.
 

lazyboy97o

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They removed the original fake hinges and vastly improved the faux metal work. Looks proper now. My only question is, why on earth was the inital metalwork installed as such???

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I’m not sure they did remove those hinges. This is a separate pair of doors that isn’t even hinged. It looks like sliding barn doors. You can see in the photo how the door panel is casting a shadow on the finish because it is in front of it. So these hinges are really just as ridiculous because they’re on a door that doesn’t even have hinges.

The new Fresh Baked video may explain the mystery of why the gift shop looks as out of place as it does, he’s comparing it to a kit you can order online, not custom built, not WDI built… an off the shelf “she shed” he thinks they bought online to save money.

I’m not 100% sold it’s the kit he’s showing but suspect it likely is.

It’s not a kit. For one, these kits are wood and we saw during construction that this building is a steel structure. Second, these types of kits are aimed at agricultural and single family residential settings where the requirements for building are less stringent / ignored. Disney can’t just have anyone design a building for them, they need drawings stamped by an architect and engineers which is something very few of these kit companies provide. It’s also illegal for architects and engineers to engage in “plan stamping”, which is them just stamping designs created by others. Even if one of these kit suppliers was able to provide custom stamped designs you’ve completely negated any cost savings by making it a completely custom design, and that’s just making the actual model work. There would be more customization to make such a kit work for a retail setting. All of the retail merchandise fixtures are all semi-custom built with the design being documented as part of the building’s construction documents. It’s ultimately just poor design that is influenced by bad design. Calling it “suburban design” isn’t just a dig at it, it is also a serious comment on the design environment and inspiration from which it is clearly derived.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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It’s not a kit. For one, these kits are wood and we saw during construction that this building is a steel structure. Second, these types of kits are aimed at agricultural and single family residential settings where the requirements for building are less stringent / ignored. Disney can’t just have anyone design a building for them, they need drawings stamped by an architect and engineers which is something very few of these kit companies provide. It’s also illegal for architects and engineers to engage in “plan stamping”, which is them just stamping designs created by others. Even if one of these kit suppliers was able to provide custom stamped designs you’ve completely negated any cost savings by making it a completely custom design, and that’s just making the actual model work. There would be more customization to make such a kit work for a retail setting. All of the retail merchandise fixtures are all semi-custom built with the design being documented as part of the building’s construction documents. It’s ultimately just poor design that is influenced by bad design. Calling it “suburban design” isn’t just a dig at it, it is also a serious comment on the design environment and inspiration from which it is clearly derived.

The company is called Armstrong Steel, they are steel buildings, they are also used for things like churches, warehouses, manufacturing, and other commercial applications, including customized designs.

I have no idea if this is where they got it or not but it would meet every condition you stated.

Regardless of whether it’s a kit, or built in house, it’s clearly a very generic off the shelf design that has no place in a heavily themed environment such as a Disney park.
 

lazyboy97o

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The company is called Armstrong Steel, they are steel buildings, they are also used for things like churches, warehouses, manufacturing, and other commercial applications, including customized designs.

I have no idea if this is where they got it or not but it would meet every condition you stated.

Regardless of whether it’s a kit, or built in house, it’s clearly a very generic off the shelf design that has no place in a heavily themed environment such as a Disney park.
That kit is called The Armstrong but is made by Legacy Post & Beam which describes themselves as “timber enthusiasts.

Armstrong Steel is a different company that sells pre-engineered metal buildings (PEMB). PEMB’s sit in a sort of in-between between kits and custom because they use a modular system. Their big advantage is large clear spans, which makes them desirable for things like showbuildings. They also use a particular type of structural system built around rigid frames made of welded plate steel. The construction photos don’t show such a system.

I’m not saying it’s good. I’ve written plenty of how and why it’s bad. Using certain systems, something that already exists or even “generic” designs isn’t in and of itself a problem. Just as some try to use not quite right technicalities to defend Disney there are people who try to do the same for criticism and that’s no better even if the conclusion is agreeable.
 

Architectural Guinea Pig

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In the Parks
No
Fingers crossed that the signs are temporary and they’ve had a delay in the production of the real ones. Just like the hinges and the lights we should wait until Disney actually opens the shop before the final verdict. It looks very different from the initial backlash already
 

SuddenStorm

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Fingers crossed that the signs are temporary and they’ve had a delay in the production of the real ones. Just like the hinges and the lights we should wait until Disney actually opens the shop before the final verdict. It looks very different from the initial backlash already

Why would Disney take the time to manufacture and install a sign prior to open, if they also intend to remove and change it prior to open?
 

Professortango1

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This is completely based on nothing, but I wonder if WDI was to build the shop in addition to the new queue, it would have caused HM to remain closed through the rest of the year, so DL decided to just have their internal team add a prefab gift shop.
 

lazyboy97o

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This is completely based on nothing, but I wonder if WDI was to build the shop in addition to the new queue, it would have caused HM to remain closed through the rest of the year, so DL decided to just have their internal team add a prefab gift shop.
Except they involve different disciplines and trades.

It’s also not a pre-fab building. We saw it get built.
 

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