News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

[celluloid]

It looks like a nice Mother in Law Suite or artisan gift shop in the least themed part of Stone Mountain Park.

 

[wityblack]

That fixture was almost certainly selected to comply with ADA's regulations on protruding objects. Essentially, in order to allow blind or low-vision people to navigate a space using a cane, objects sticking out from a wall into a walkway are limited to 4" maximum thickness:
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Of course, limiting a fixture to 4" depth does not mean that this specific fixture had to be chosen. There are all sorts of light fixtures available on the market (not to mention custom fixtures) that could have complied with the code without looking so "builder grade at Home Depot."

There are also ways that a larger fixture could have been used, by blocking the ground space below it so that it is no longer considered part of the circulation path. This would reroute traffic around the protrusion and give low-vision pedestrians something that's detectable at cane level. Throughout the parks, things like this are frequently accomplished with a planter, a rock, a stack of crates (WDI's favorite!) or even just a potted plant that could all easily fit within the theme of the structure.

That said, any time a fixture choice evokes a specific part of the building code rather than the themed setting, the design has failed somewhere along the way.

[Interestingly, it seems like WDI managed to find a way to get this right for the Rise of the Resistance queue tunnels but messed it up for the main tunnel entrance to the land, both of which have walls angled inward. In the queue, rocks at the lower bump out so that the angled walls don't impede on the path of travel:
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But in the land entrance, the walls have a steeper slope and the rocks along the base are smaller, so there are still plenty of places where the walls extend more than 4" into the circulation path. Ironically it's an even bigger problem at the open-end of the tunnel, where the volumes of people passing through are greater and someone could have a face-first collision with the wall rathan than just grazing their shoulder along the edge of it:
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It's very interesting how many examples of this you find around the parks if you just go looking for it!

 

[lazyboy97o]

see[Interestingly, it seems like WDI managed to find a way to get this right for the Rise of the Resistance queue tunnels but messed it up for the main tunnel entrance to the land, both of which have walls angled inward. In the queue, rocks at the lower bump out so that the angled walls don't impede on the path of travel:
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But in the land entrance, the walls have a steeper slope and the rocks along the base are smaller, so there are still plenty of places where the walls extend more than 4" into the circulation path. Ironically it's an even bigger problem at the open-end of the tunnel, where the volumes of people passing through are greater and someone could have a face-first collision with the wall rathan than just grazing their shoulder along the edge of it:
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My guess is that in the entry tunnel there is a 4” or less change between 27” AFF and 80” AFF, and that line is being continued. Technically correct as protruding objects can be stacked. That’s not something specifically written into the design standards but is shown in the US Access Board’s Guide to the ADA Standards.

The queue is a little different in that they’re corridors that are part of the means of egress. The smallest clear width of the corridor is what counts for egress capacity. Queues are tight spaces and doing something like the land entry would eat up space that doesn’t count towards egress capacity. It is also a volume of space that would have to be conditioned, so it’d be a premium initial cost, a premium use of space and it’d have an ongoing cost while not being usable. The entry tunnel is already large and it isn’t conditioned.

 

[MK-fan]

Cripes! It looks even worse up close like that.

Somewhere at WDI, some intern is saying... "I swear, it looked better on display at Home Depot!"

 

[Touchdown]

Looking around after all you lighting nerds complained about only partial lighting on walls, hate to tell you but it’s all over NOS and in older sections. Care to guess where this “abomination” is?

Spoiler: Answer

Pirates Indoor Queue, there’s more in the tunnel under the bridge to Adventureland and elsewhere in NOS. I think you guys are being a bit harsh on a building that’s new. That said, the sign is horrible and looks incredibly fake and out of place.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Looking around after all you lighting nerds complained about only partial lighting on walls, hate to tell you but it’s all over NOS and in older sections. Care to guess where this “abomination” is?

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Spoiler: Answer

Pirates Indoor Queue, there’s more in the tunnel under the bridge to Adventureland and elsewhere in NOS. I think you guys are being a bit harsh on a building that’s new. That said, the sign is horrible and looks incredibly fake and out of place.View attachment 830423

What point exactly are you trying to counter? And why does being a new building matter?

 

[Touchdown]

What point exactly are you trying to counter? And why does being a new building matter?

The point I’m countering is the 4-5 pages where a the lights on the new shop where an abomination against nature and how dare Disney stoop so low. My point is they stooped that low decades ago.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The point I’m countering is the 4-5 pages where a the lights on the new shop where an abomination against nature and how dare Disney stoop so low. My point is they stooped that low decades ago.

The issue isn’t that they used an accessible wall sconce.

 

[TP2000]

I just got back from Home Depot in town to buy more extension cords. Again. Without them, I can't turn on all my decorations I installed today and Santa won't know where to land.

While there, I looked at their Hampton Bay exterior lights from the popular Old Timey Collection. Here's a pic I took; they run from about $34 to $79, but that's the retail price in Utah. I imagine WDI might have a different supplier that cuts them a better deal. Right?

I think WDI modified the Hampton Bay model in the middle to meet ADA codes, and it retails for $64.97.

 

[DavidDL]

I am not sure how true this is, I will see for myself in a week from now. But if this is one of the views upon exiting the attraction (to your left), then it’s genuinely awful.

That said, I’m having a hard time believing Disney could be this inept with their on-stage show. I’m almost wondering if someone snuck backstage? But if this is really the Guest view, then freaking yikes.

 

[VicariousCorpse]

I am not sure how true this is, I will see for myself in a week from now. But if this is one of the views upon exiting the attraction (to your left), then it’s genuinely awful.

That said, I’m having a hard time believing Disney could be this inept with their on-stage show. I’m almost wondering if someone snuck backstage? But if this is really the Guest view, then freaking yikes.

What pipes? I don't see no pipes!

 

[MK-fan]

What pipes? I don't see no pipes!

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What the Fudge?????????? I didn’t even know about this. This is all around epic fail. It’s just gonna keep getting worse before it gets better

 

[DavidDL]

Damn. That’s disgusting. Seriously, knock this thing down and try again. Or just knock it down.

 

[Too Many Hats]

I can confirm exiting the Mansion is far less magical than it used to be. Even if you don't notice the pipes.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I’ve defended this shop for quite a while but I’m starting to lose hope, I really thought the finishing details (trees, plants, lighting, etc) would decrease the scale and some “plussing” would bring it together at the end but the closer we get to opening the worse it looks, imho.

 

[chadwpalm]

What pipes? I don't see no pipes!

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I should be an imagineer!!

 

[Kyle’s Dad Sent Me]

I’m assuming the white line is where a wall will go?

 

[Phroobar]

I’m assuming the white line is where a wall will go?

Hard to tell but maybe that is just covering up a cable going up the wall.

 

[CaptinEO]

On ratchat they are showing the queue is still overflowing into new orleans square even after this refurbishment.

When will ops realize that Haunted Mansion and Pirates should not have Fastpasss?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m assuming the white line is where a wall will go?

Given its size and height, it’s probably more along the lines of a fence than a wall. It’ll block the bulk but unless they do something odd it won’t be taller enough. It’ll also need access. Its hard to have high hopes given what is there and what is required.