Looks like they'll fly low over the lake, and gain altitude at the opposite end. Faster and easier evacuation.
Also, faster extinguishment of flaming Guests falling from the cabins.
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Also, faster extinguishment of flaming Guests falling from the cabins.
Nice to see they kept it in the family, with Ariel's dad doing the water work...
Trying to explain this to the umpteenth time to someone that has already seen these numbers thrown out there. They just like to complain. They just don't understand the system. I understand when it's a new person asking the question (and they don't want to read 651 pages), what gets me is when it is someone that we all know has already read the facts. Not just casual users, ones that have posted thousands of times.
Doug Means
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this is y i dont reply to this thread, came in too late to read it all.. now i'm just trying to keep up. but i even know that so much has been said over and over and over again.
gmajew
Premium Member
That is a lot of movement but still dont know if this was the best idea for the area....
The good thing is that Disney/RCID have all underground utilities minus the higher voltage stuff. So pretty protected from power line failures.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agreed. That’s why I was curious how often a property wide power failure actually occurs. It seems to me like it would be a pretty rare event involving some significant issues with the grid outside RCID. It makes the backup generator noise much less of a concern.
Since when do people hang out at the IG because of how quiet it is... or even at all? Not an issue.
The noise of the IG station engines: no generator or engine there, not an issue.
The ramp-up of the tires: no generators there, they run off the rope, not an issue.
The loud whoosh of cabins accelerating to 11 mph: LOL.
The noise of... ""CROWDS!"" are problematic at WDW: LOL
Crowds exiting the IG: Almost everyone getting on the gondola after the fireworks are going to Riviera, CBR, Pop, and AoA. All the other Crescent Lake guests walk past the IG Station because it makes no sense for them to wind up at Riviera. So, everyone that has been using the IG for the exit will just walk by the IG as they always have done. The Skyliner-guests at the end of the night are distributed around Showcase Lagoon for the fireworks. This means that they'll be showing up in a long line. At the very least, the very least, the station will gobble up 200 of them every five minutes. There won't be huge throng of people. It will be a shorter wait than waiting for your bus leaving the MK at night. Not an issue.
Power outages: As just mentioned, WDW's powers lines are almost completely underground. Besides, the kind of storm that can take out the power grid is also the kind of storm that would shut down the Skyliner before that could happen. Back up generators only need to run about 15 minutes to clear the ropes. Not an issue.
The noise of the IG station engines: no generator or engine there, not an issue.
The ramp-up of the tires: no generators there, they run off the rope, not an issue.
The loud whoosh of cabins accelerating to 11 mph: LOL.
The noise of... ""CROWDS!"" are problematic at WDW: LOL
Crowds exiting the IG: Almost everyone getting on the gondola after the fireworks are going to Riviera, CBR, Pop, and AoA. All the other Crescent Lake guests walk past the IG Station because it makes no sense for them to wind up at Riviera. So, everyone that has been using the IG for the exit will just walk by the IG as they always have done. The Skyliner-guests at the end of the night are distributed around Showcase Lagoon for the fireworks. This means that they'll be showing up in a long line. At the very least, the very least, the station will gobble up 200 of them every five minutes. There won't be huge throng of people. It will be a shorter wait than waiting for your bus leaving the MK at night. Not an issue.
Power outages: As just mentioned, WDW's powers lines are almost completely underground. Besides, the kind of storm that can take out the power grid is also the kind of storm that would shut down the Skyliner before that could happen. Back up generators only need to run about 15 minutes to clear the ropes. Not an issue.
Yeah and it is a good question. I doubt and really doubt there has ever been a property wide outage. Parts of parks and hotel areas sure, but property wide seems unlikely. That is a good thing because it would be hell on Earth. I was working at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Center awhile ago when all power across everything went down. It was terrible.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Valid point. I guess property wide would be really infrequent or non-existent.
Grimley1968
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I was a guest at Beach Club Resort during Hurricane Frances. The parks closed for 2 days because of the storm and we were stuck at BC for 2.5 days because of that and the inability to get our flight home (MCO was also shut down) when our vacation ended, and we ended up renting a car at Dolphin to get out because the winds would not die down from tropical storm force winds. For about 36 hours we could do little but watch TV in the room and watch palm trees bend about 30 degrees to the side.
But the power never went out. When a generator kicks on, you normally at least see lights flicker during the changeover from grid to generator. The lights didn't even flicker, and neither did the TV.
But the power never went out. When a generator kicks on, you normally at least see lights flicker during the changeover from grid to generator. The lights didn't even flicker, and neither did the TV.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agreed on all of this.
To take this off on a bit of a tangent the one time I could see a backup at IG is after Illuminations. Once SW:GE is open I am assuming DHS will be open much later than the end of Illuminations and it could become popular to hop there after a day at EPCOT (ironic that historically people spent the day at DHS and hopped to EPCOT for dinner and Illuminations, the tables could turn on that). Guests not staying at the resorts serviced by the skyway could still use it to get between parks. I know I’ve used the boats to do the reverse commute when not staying there. The system should be able to handle the crowds, but it could back up some right after the show ends.
1990sWDW
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I tried to credit them in my post but it got xxxxx'd out. I guess I could have just referenced They Who Should Not Be Named has posted etc... But when I have done that previously in this thread someone else right after me just posts the pictures.
It was certainly not meant in a malicious way, this just seems to be the most comprehensive place to discuss this project. It seems helpful, for people catching up on this thread, to have some of the more important pictures in the thread. But I understand if the consensus of WDWMagic's TPTB is to not do this sort of thing. If so, I apologize.
LukeS7
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Ah, didn't realize you had tried crediting and it censored it. Didn't think it was meant to be malicious and I hadn't realized others had done so before (I had literally just read their post before I checked this thread, which is why I noticed), my bad!
JenniferS
When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Ditto for us during Irma last year.I was a guest at Beach Club Resort during Hurricane Frances. The parks closed for 2 days because of the storm and we were stuck at BC for 2.5 days because of that and the inability to get our flight home (MCO was also shut down) when our vacation ended, and we ended up renting a car at Dolphin to get out because the winds would not die down from tropical storm force winds. For about 36 hours we could do little but watch TV in the room and watch palm trees bend about 30 degrees to the side.
But the power never went out. When a generator kicks on, you normally at least see lights flicker during the changeover from grid to generator. The lights didn't even flicker, and neither did the TV.
We never even lost wifi. I watched tv, texted family at home, and live posted in my TR here during the peak of the storm.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Go sit near a lift... It's not just the drive motors making noise. The vehicles being accelerated makes a very distinct noise.. because the drive wheels are taking load as they accelerate the cabin. It's not the spin up of the wheels.. it's the wheels going from unloaded to loaded and their contact patches. That is not silent.
The cabin represents a face of nearly 63 sq ft of squared surface being pushed through the air up to speed. Over 400cubic ft of volume per cabin. That heavy FL air has to move out of the way. That is not silent nor uneventful.
They are very quiet in movement... but the transition from crawl to full speed is not silent nor really are the tower rollers. IG has all of that in very close proximity.
What is your point here? That guests that don't use the gondola... still don't? This means... nothing. You still have 4 more large resorts worth of guests in this area that were not really there before.
Same as for the buses... but unlike the buses.. there isn't another half mile of walking and diffusion between the lagoon area and the bus stops.
Shorter wait time wise? Probably... but wait time doesn't address the topic of volume of people and space available.
You won't be able to hear the machinery over the screams of the guests inside the cabins anyway...
I guess we'll see. Most phones can install an app to measure decibels. We'll see what noise this makes.
Lensman
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It's been previously posted a few times that Doppelmayr itself publishes "Transport capacities of up to 4,500 passengers per hour and direction". There's been speculation on both sides of that number, so between 3,600 and 5,500 as the low and high estimates for targeted throughput.
Someone even did an analysis of the worst case being the crowd departing after Illuminations and determined that the Skyliner had the capacity to transport as many people as are/would be using bus transport to CBR, Pop, AoA, and Riviera dispatching a bus from each of the 4 stops every 3-4 minutes. How does that compare to the actual dispatch times?
I think I also did an analysis that estimated that, ballpark, a max of 6,000 guests would be leaving Illuminations for CBR, Pop, AoA, and Riviera combined. I do suspect this would cause some queueing at the IG station, even though these 6,000 guests would be distributed around the lagoon after Illuminations and thus take varying amounts of time to make their way to the IG. BTW, in order to arrive at the 6,000 guest figure I am using the assumption that 100% of the guests going to Epcot will stay for Illuminations.
I do think there's a decent chance for a line to build up at the IG Skyliner station. Now what was the problem with that?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Good points. 6,000 might actually be max heading to the resorts on a very crowded day. There are about 7,400 rooms serviced by the gondola line so even at extreme high occupancy times there are probably roughly 7,000 rooms occupied. Each room probably has 2 to 3 guests on average so let’s be conservative and say 3, that’s 21,000 guests but they are spread between all 4 parks, Disney Springs, hanging at the resort and trips off property. 6,000 would assume almost 30% chose EPCOT that day and that they all stayed for Illuminations and all tried to leave right after the show. On most nights the number will be much less than that. The one wildcard is factoring in how many guests are boarding to hop over to DHS for a later evening. When SW:GE first opens that number may be higher. Remember how they kept Pandora open late that first summer and it stayed relatively busy.