Understood. But this is Disney and they're not likely to cram 10 in cabin. Especially not 10 Americans. Using 8 also allows for real world inefficiencies in loading, like baby carriages.
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Understood. But this is Disney and they're not likely to cram 10 in cabin. Especially not 10 Americans. Using 8 also allows for real world inefficiencies in loading, like baby carriages.
DoppelmayrFTW
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strollers and wheelchairs are what the second turn around is for, the whole point of having huge terminals is having plenty of time to load a full cabin. I don't know if they will put 10 in or not, but I don't see why they would pay the extra money for 10 person cabins and not put 10 people in.
It that really any different then a bus at the end of the day, or one section of a monorail cabin?
Cosmic Commando
Well-Known Member
That's the Disney Difference. Like the time I was evacuated from BTMRR by the ghost of an old prospector.
Still means a gondola's going to be sent out with a double wide stroller, two kids and two parents and be part of the throughput lowering the average number of people per car.
Also, without the armrests that divide up seating on a plane, you ain't getting 10 Americans seated in those cabins.
For some Disney rides that are very popular, they fill every gap, but, if there's no need to do so, ride vehicles get sent out all the time with empty seats. The gondolas will be the same.
Incomudro
Well-Known Member
Yes, it is.
Because it's a personal sized space.
One expects a crowd on a bus, plane, or train car - we're geared to accept it.
A small cabin like a gondola puts the mind in a personal sized frame.
It'd be very odd to share it with one other family, or one other person for that matter.
And sharing the same cabin for skiing is different.
DoppelmayrFTW
New Member
I'm not debating that there will be cabins with less than 10 people in them, especially if its not busy, but when calculating the capacity of a machine of this type you use the design capacity of the carriers so you can know how many people the system can move under ideal conditions. as for sharing these cabins, they are not personal spaces. While they are a lot smaller than a bus, they are still fairly large and can fit 10 average sized people comfortably. It has become common at ski areas to share one of these with 9 strangers.
MickeyMinnieMom
Well-Known Member
Because 10 won’t fit on average in this setting.
And I suspect in these close quarters many will push back on being jammed in.
I’d suspect Disney isn’t assuming an average of 10 WDW park-goers per gondola in their planning. If they’re smart.
MickeyMinnieMom
Well-Known Member
Not sure what your point is in this context... ...
You know Doppemayr. I know Disney. Plus one of our insiders has said the plan is to fill them with just 8 for personal comfort. I'll keep indicating I'm using 8 for my calcs. People are free to add 25% in their head if they want for the ideal situation.
MickeyMinnieMom
Well-Known Member
Legit! 8 sounds more reasonable as an average. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if on average it’s even fewer in practice.
raymusiccity
Well-Known Member
Sounds just like a standing room only bus ride, but, thankfully much shorter in duration!
flynnibus
Premium Member
No - it's just some people's stigmas. It's really no different then sitting across from each other in the monorail, or sitting next to people on the bus. People will get over it once they get over their America paranoia.
Disney won't stuff the box because Disney rarely does.
DoppelmayrFTW
New Member
I guess we will see when they open this thing, It does have bench seating instead of individual seats like some other D-line gondolas so a different number of people than the cabin is designed for, I do feel like you are underestimating just how big these cabins are, they are not small by any means. but based on the size of many of Disney guests, I do see why 10 seems like a lot.
MickeyMinnieMom
Well-Known Member
Practically speaking, here's one scenario I have in mind which will happen with us a lot. As a group of 6 people, we load into one gondola. How much time do they have to find a party of 2 to fill that up, versus just letting that gondola go with the 6 of us onboard? Load time is shorter than with attractions, so I'm wondering how that would work in practice... thoughts? Or was this already discussed in between AC and gators?
Incomudro
Well-Known Member
That's what I said - it's psychological.
We're conditioned to expect to share large spaces with large amounts of people.
Small spaces feel personal, and sharing them with just a couple of people is odd and uncomfortable.
Witness: Elevators.
MickeyMinnieMom
Well-Known Member
I agree with you, but people still cram themselves into elevators when needed... but for this longer (though not too long) journey, I'd still expect more people to push back.
Incomudro
Well-Known Member
Yes, this is a longer - though not too long of a journey.
I know that not everyone will share my opinion, but many will.
These cabins are just at that odd size where uncomfortable with others clicks in for me.
My family plus another family?
My family plus some other guy on his own?
Weird.
Going into the parks from the hotels, I don't imagine this to be an issue though.
I've never been at a hotel bus stop that had a tremendous amount of people.
Looking at how swiftly these gondola's were taking off on the videos - I'd imagine that hitting the parks in the morning, small groups will easily get in their own.
Things might be different heading back at night from say International Gateway after the fireworks display.
Well, another question is whether standing is allowed or possible or expected. People stand on monorails, boats, and buses. If the expectation or allowance is standing, then I can see 10 people being more likely.
JenniferS
When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
I dunno. I regularly share an elevator with 20 strangers at ToT, and am totally fine with it.