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nickys

Premium Member
A half a year earlier than conventional wisdom seems significant.

But Martin has consistently said the system would be ready by May. The question was when it would start taking passengers. Again he has said for quite a while, could be 6 weeks from then. And I haven’t seen anyone suggest they wouldn’t be ready until November! Where’s this “conventional wisdom” coming from?
 

jt04

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But Martin has consistently said the system would be ready by May. The question was when it would start taking passengers. Again he has said for quite a while, could be 6 weeks from then. And I haven’t seen anyone suggest they wouldn’t be ready until November! Where’s this “conventional wisdom” coming from?

Oh, I must have misread someone's original prediction. Might have been 74. Not sure.
 

BoarderPhreak

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While the gondola might be coming along nicely, they have quite a ways to go for both Rat and the Riviera. It's a gondola that goes nowhere - for now.

Maybe that first leg will open sooner (that is, AoA/Pop to CBR to DHS).
 

Cosmic Commando

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You really think this is about the busses? Enhanced mobility is a nice byproduct...

This is about the extra $50-100/night Disney will charge for the 7,500 hotel rooms serviced by this system. We're talking a half million dollars in extra revenue PER DAY. That's $180M per year. The whole system will cost WAY less than that... What a great investment AND it will help with mobility, add something cool to WDW, and on and on.

In addition, with 7,500 rooms (many of which are suites/villas) we are talking up to 30,000 people wanting to ride this thing around the same time.... Even 15,000 would be a crazy number to all want to get into 6 person gondolas at park opening or park closing. I haven't seen capacity numbers but I would be surprised if there aren't restrictions during (at least) peak times.
I don't think "gondola tourists" that aren't staying at one of the Skyliner resorts will really be an issue. This thing will be chugging along at a pretty high capacity all day long. Park opening crowds are somewhat spread out. Park hoppers will be in the middle of the day, when demand will be lower. There won't be much park hopping at park close, since DHS and Epcot should both be staying open late with their additions. Since crowds after fireworks can hit real hard, there might be lines for the gondolas then; I doubt many will be there just for the ride at that time of day, though. It's not worth it to invest the manpower to check whether riders are staying at the hotels.

Edit: And yes, the revenue potential for this is pretty crazy. It's almost a fire-able offense that they didn't come up with it sooner. It's not a stretch at all to say that the gondolas make the rooms $5/night "cooler" than they were before... 7,500 rooms x 90% capacity x $5/night x 365 = $12M per year in easy money.
 

danlb_2000

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Original Poster
You really think this is about the busses? Enhanced mobility is a nice byproduct...

This is about the extra $50-100/night Disney will charge for the 7,500 hotel rooms serviced by this system. We're talking a half million dollars in extra revenue PER DAY. That's $180M per year. The whole system will cost WAY less than that... What a great investment AND it will help with mobility, add something cool to WDW, and on and on.

In addition, with 7,500 rooms (many of which are suites/villas) we are talking up to 30,000 people wanting to ride this thing around the same time.... Even 15,000 would be a crazy number to all want to get into 6 person gondolas at park opening or park closing. I haven't seen capacity numbers but I would be surprised if there aren't restrictions during (at least) peak times.

People familier with the project have said elimination of buses is part of what is paying for the system.

7500 * 4 people per room = 30,000, which I think is a little on the hide side for people per room. Even if that number is accurate not all 30,000 are going to be going to those two parks every day. The gondolas can hold 8 to 10, not 6 and will have a capacity of between 4000 and 5000 people per hour, per leg in each direction.

I would be very surprised to see any restrictions.
 

nickys

Premium Member
While the gondola might be coming along nicely, they have quite a ways to go for both Rat and the Riviera. It's a gondola that goes nowhere - for now.

Maybe that first leg will open sooner (that is, AoA/Pop to CBR to DHS).


Ummm, DHS and Epcot are still there, according to Google maps ..... ;)

So are POP, AoA and CBR.
 

BoarderPhreak

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Ummm, DHS and Epcot are still there, according to Google maps ..... ;)

So are POP, AoA and CBR.
As for EC, the Rat plaza is nowhere near finished. I'm not sure Disney will be running guests over a construction zone. Besides, they have go over another construction zone that is the Riviera to even get there. And I mentioned the DHS route. Those are all finished enough to open first (a guess).
 

Cosmic Commando

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It takes a few seconds to scan a Magic Band. I hope your right but (I just looked) at 5,000 people per hour I predict very long lines during certain periods.
It's possible, but I guesstimated some numbers... 7,500 rooms x 3.2 people per room (I just guessed that) comes up with a nice, round 24,000 people at those hotels. Split between four parks (there's also Disney Springs, empty rooms, turned in early, etc.), that's about 6,000 people at each of the two parks that will be using the gondola to get back to their hotel rooms. I don't think that sounds crazy. If every single person that needed a gondola at Epcot got in line at the exact same moment, the average wait would be around 35 minutes? Worst case is 72 minutes? Doesn't sound terrible. The gondola will chew through lines as they're trying to build, so I'm very optimistic it will work out.
 

danlb_2000

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Original Poster
It takes a few seconds to scan a Magic Band. I hope your right but (I just looked) at 5,000 people per hour I predict very long lines during certain periods.

We are looking at a capacity of 50 to 60 buses per hour and system that continuously loads. For most of the day there should be no or very short lines. If there are lines they will probably only be at park close.
 

danlb_2000

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Original Poster
As for EC, the Rat plaza is nowhere near finished. I'm not sure Disney will be running guests over a construction zone. Besides, they have go over another construction zone that is the Riviera to even get there. And I mentioned the DHS route. Those are all finished enough to open first (a guess).

People familiar with the project have said that there are not plans to open it in phases, it will open all at once.
 

danlb_2000

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It's going to be A LOT more than $5 per night extra. I'd pay $50 - $100 to avoid the busses and have such a cool way to descend on the parks with the most amazing new attractions.... and so would lots and lots of others. Occupancy will also go up at these resorts.

In terms of Gondola Tourists.... put yourself in the shoes of someone staying on I-Drive... You can soar over Disney World for FREE? Huh? What? Who doesn't want to try that? Yes, you have to find a place to park (Disney Springs and bus it or Boardwalk) but there's lots and lots of people without a ton of cash that want to do things at Disney World. This will become target number 1 (unless, of course, it requires a Magic Band and room reservation to access...)

Same could be said for the monorail, it's an attraction as much as it's transporation, but we haven't seen them try to restrict monorail access. Yes, there will be people who ride the gondola for fun, but most of the time this will probably be during the day when the system has capacity to burn.
 

jt04

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It's going to be A LOT more than $5 per night extra. I'd pay $50 - $100 to avoid the busses and have such a cool way to descend on the parks with the most amazing new attractions.... and so would lots and lots of others. Occupancy will also go up at these resorts.

In terms of Gondola Tourists.... put yourself in the shoes of someone staying on I-Drive... You can soar over Disney World for FREE? Huh? What? Who doesn't want to try that? Yes, you have to find a place to park (Disney Springs and bus it or Boardwalk) but there's lots and lots of people without a ton of cash that want to do things at Disney World. This will become target number 1 (unless, of course, it requires a Magic Band and room reservation to access...)

Not sure the views will be worth the trouble but for those who decide it is, a good enough % won't be able to resist the parks.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
In terms of Gondola Tourists.... put yourself in the shoes of someone staying on I-Drive... You can soar over Disney World for FREE? Huh? What? Who doesn't want to try that? Yes, you have to find a place to park (Disney Springs and bus it or Boardwalk) but there's lots and lots of people without a ton of cash that want to do things at Disney World. This will become target number 1 (unless, of course, it requires a Magic Band and room reservation to access...)

You are way overstating this. Moving through the trees at 11mph 25ft up isn't thrilling to anyone to waste 30mins of their day on.

The monorails are not overloaded with this problem... gondolas won't either

Remember for all but the tiny portion over Epcot ... these lines go over boring swaps and parking lots. I don't even count the cbr tiny portion...
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
In addition, with 7,500 rooms (many of which are suites/villas) we are talking up to 30,000 people wanting to ride this thing around the same time.... Even 15,000 would be a crazy number to all want to get into 6 person gondolas at park opening or park closing. I haven't seen capacity numbers but I would be surprised if there aren't restrictions during (at least) peak times.
If you run the math you can see that lines are not really likely to be a big issue other than during super peak times. Even if you assume 3 guests per room on average (remember couples, single business travelers and empty rooms factor in with families of 4 or more in suites) that’s 22,500 guests served by the lines. Those people are split between the 4 parks, Disney Springs, hanging at the pool or going off property to visit the boy wizard or other attractions. Let’s just say they are split into 5 groups based on destination between the 4 parks and we’ll lump the rest as “other”. That’s 4,500 guests per park or other. With the suggested capacity of the gondola lines being over 5,000 people that means even if all 4,500 people from the gondola resorts that are going to DHS or EPCOT on a given day try to board at the exact same time the longest wait would be less than an hour to completely clear the line. It’s highly unlikely that all people at the resort would arrive at the same time. The busiest would be around rope drop, but even then some go to breakfast, some sleep in, some park hop, etc... At park close it’s even less likely since people travel with infants and elderly guests who won’t stay until last call and others just leave earlier to swim, eat at a restaurant somewhere else, etc. The point of all this math is to show that the capacity is plenty large enough for the most likely users.

Now guests not staying at a gondola resort can be factored in too, but they are even less likely to be there at times like rope drop or park close. The one area which could be an issue is going from EPCOT post Illuminations to DHS once SW Land opens. If Illuminations ends at 9:30 but DHS is open until midnight there could be quite a crowd looking to hop there, just like the monorail is now going back to MK. Even then I don’t see lines longer than you would wait for a bus or the monorail and likely much shorter.

I don’t see a ton of demand beyond the initial opening few months for “outsiders” or gondola tourists. The lines don’t cross into an actual park (unlike the monorail). Most of what you would see are trees, parking lots and a few hotels. The monorail is a much more tempting target for people looking for free rides.
 

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