NormC
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That green transformer is old and was there before.
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It wasn't there in January...
There's no shadow and I doubt they would have had a generator sitting right next to a guest bench.
Bender123
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Except all 5000 of those people will not instantly teleport over to the station. The normal distribution of guests throughout the park will mean that a person at Norway at park close will likely be almost 20 minutes late to the station over a person watching from IG. It will take an hour, but that hour to load will likely be stretched out over a period of over an hour. The people watching from IG will already be at their hotel before the person watching from Mexico will even enter the line.
Well, the buses will petulantly and stubbornly continue their trips back and forth until management tells them to stop.
Emm
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To ensure the mass chaos many want, all Epcot area resort guest and skyliner resort guest will be required to watch Illuminations in areas between Canada and Morocco. At the end of the show, they are banned from all shops, restaurants, food carts, and kiosks. They must immediate trample everything as they head to the IG. A game of red rover will be conducted between the line for the skyliner stretching across the path and those walking to Epcot resorts. May the best resort group win.
TiggerDad
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Except @Purduevian specified DHS not EPCOT, and there is less geographic dispersion there with Fantasmic.
There's also a lot less people you can physically fit into the park. And I was there the beginning of October with all that constricting construction pathing and there was no stampeding or trampling. And there's a giant space between the gondola station heading toward the ferry for any long gondola queue if any such queue might come into existence. And if they're leaving Fantasmic!, the 5,000 people are strung out the narrow path anyways, creating a natural queue.
Bender123
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Same issue stands at DHS. Just sit at the bus area at close and watch the patterns. There are maybe 100 people in the queue for each bus stop within 10 minutes of park close. That volume builds, because the busses are batch process. The gondola will continuously eat that number and send them on their way. For reference, those initial, lets say, 500 people will be on the rope within five minutes. Based on the speed with which people tend to get to the station, a 10-15 minute queue would be about the most one could expect. On top of all this, its unlikely every person in the hotels is at a park on any night. There is a fairly decent number that either wont go to any park in a day, go off site, drive, leave early or stay late.
The idea there will be huge lines isn't really realistic, because it assumes full attendance, everybody leaves in lockstep and the load only occurs once everyone is lined up. The realistic scenario is that the first gondola loaded after park close will likely be offloaded before the a line ever forms.
NormC
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OK, I stand corrected. There was one in that area. They must have relocated it. I just assumed it was the same one. Look at the condition of the one pictured. It is faded and rust stained. Clearly not a new one like the brand new generator. I guess it is repurposed.
Purduevian
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1) I have defiantly seen more than 100 people in line for each bus stop after night shows.
2) I already factored in that at most a quarter of the people at the Skyliner hotels would be at DHS on any given day, and not all will stay for a night time show.
3) We seem to be in violent agreement that this is as awesome and efficient system that will work much better than buses. I think wait times might get up to 20-30 minutes on bad nights, which is still less than I've waited for a bus before.
I can't wait to see this thing in action, and watch how fast the line moves!
Just for fun, how fast will the line move (Because I like Math)?
Looking HERE I imagine lines fall into ~2 people per square meter. Assuming the line is 1 meter wide, that mean each person takes up ~.5 meters of line length. At 5,000 people per hour, the line will move 2,500 meters of line per hour or .7 meters per second. This is about HALF of a normal walking pace. This line is going to fly!
Grimley1968
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As to the bolded, I agree about the > 100 people lines at bus stops, but I obediently observe it. I hope my agreements with people would eliminate the need for violence.
Bender123
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Im in complete agreement on everything except point one. The only reason that line exists at the bus stop is because a busis normally only arriving in 10-15 minute intervals, loading everybody...slowly...then departing. The really weird thing is that the gondolas will actually load faster than a bus as well. No need to pack in, tie down scooters, shuffle through the mass of people, etc...8 people go in, sit down, door closes, off you go. Lines are a function of load vs arrivals...widely variable, but assuming 10 minutes, the lines can be either really short or realllllly long.
As to your question, the line will be moving somewhere around 11/12 kph, based on statements and specs. For reference, the London gondola travels at 6kph...so its actually going to be fairly quick travel.
There is a bunch of weird variables that go into comparing the lines, just because they are vastly different systems.
Lets go fight.
Purduevian
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Sorry I did not mean the Gondola Line speed, I meant the speed of the people moving to the front of the line. I was actually trying to say that even seeing 500 people in line ahead of you, you will still be on in 6 minutes!
A line of 100 people can be dispatched by the gondola in less than 3 minutes.
Bender123
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Its very impressive. London is seeing about 2500 per hour, based on a much slower system. TDO has said they expect 5000-6000 per hour and real world analysis of this type of system seems to bear that out as fairly close.
Lets go conservative at 5000. We have 5000 (max per hour)/60 (minutes) = 83.3 people PER MINUTE. We know they are looking at an average dispatch speed of 6 seconds per gondola, or ten per minute. When we say they load and dispatch fast is really selling it short...It will dispatch the capacity of an extended bus every 80 seconds.
*Just adding that the max capacity numbers for an articulated bus is 200, but lets be real...140-150 is the most realistic number you are going to get at WDW with the strollers, scooters, kids and gear.
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Where did this 6000 number come from? @Lift Blog reported a few months ago that Disney is pushing to get the system to 5000. Then more recently I have seen people say 5000-6000. Did this come from somewhere or it just exaggeration?
nolatron
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Not sure about the 6,000 but Robbie Von Roll stated on the Resort Loop podcast on Oct 11 that from his talks with Doppelmayr they're going for 5,200/hr.
http://resortloop.com/589/
Right at about the 7 min mark.
Bender123
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I doubt 6000 is realistic, but if you crammed everyone in, had no slow down and ran at 100% efficiency, it can likely get close. I generally lean toward 5000 being a more realistic number for my math. Its a realistic goal, but it is still a stretch. Most likely 4500 is more realistic for average throughput. Still looking at 75 people per minute.
So, the actual number of pph is going to be dependent upon the number of gondolas on the rope, which determines their spacing and thus, how fast then come in and out of the station. We already know from insider information (thanks @marni1971 ) what the speed of the rope will be: 5 meters/sec (11 mph). Until we find out the spacing of the gondolas, we won't have accurate pph. Theoretically, the D-line can go 7 meters/sec, so, we're already at 71% of theoretical capacity.
We can get an idea from real world examples. When we go to the Doppelmayr website, the listed capacity of real world D-line lifts that they highlight averages to 2,430 pph (after normalizing rope speed to 5m/s). But, that's assuming they're fitting 10 people in each cabin. If WDW only puts in 8, then the average is 1,950.
The question is, @Lift Blog , if you can answer it, are those numbers absolute max, or average throughput?
The 5,000 pph number people have been bandying about comes from @Lift Blog who said...
Now, a theoretical "could reach 5,000 pph" is way different than reality. If WDW has the rope at a slower speed (which is does), and has longer spacing between gondolas, and isn't committed to filling each gondola with 10 people, then that theoretical number drops significantly.
So, everyone, please stop repeating that the Skyliner will have a capacity of 5,000 pph. That is an extraordinary theoretical cap and is very likely nowhere near the actual rate.
We can get an idea from real world examples. When we go to the Doppelmayr website, the listed capacity of real world D-line lifts that they highlight averages to 2,430 pph (after normalizing rope speed to 5m/s). But, that's assuming they're fitting 10 people in each cabin. If WDW only puts in 8, then the average is 1,950.
The question is, @Lift Blog , if you can answer it, are those numbers absolute max, or average throughput?
The 5,000 pph number people have been bandying about comes from @Lift Blog who said...
Now, a theoretical "could reach 5,000 pph" is way different than reality. If WDW has the rope at a slower speed (which is does), and has longer spacing between gondolas, and isn't committed to filling each gondola with 10 people, then that theoretical number drops significantly.
So, everyone, please stop repeating that the Skyliner will have a capacity of 5,000 pph. That is an extraordinary theoretical cap and is very likely nowhere near the actual rate.