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Kman101

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I know that perhaps my focus is on things other then sight-lines, but, I am aware that the Dolphin and Swan are visible from Epcot. I also made the comment to a friend when they were building Soarin how obvious that building is. Now I can truthfully say that I do not notice any of that unless I happen to think about it when I'm there. I really don't. I am far more focused of the things that are at eye level and more attractive then those items. Now we are upset because a very small portion of the top of the gondola towers might be visible (I still doubt that they will be all that obvious when it is completed). I feel sorry for people that cannot seem to get over tiny things and let their own imaginations be the Vaseline on their glasses. It really does work. If you don't try to find fault, the chances are you won't find any.

You didn't get the memo that we must be outraged at zoomed in sight lines? Most things everyone is worried about they probably won't notice once they're in the park. I'm sure an intrusion will happen but it's just another thing to angst about, it seems. Sorry for being a bit dismissive to those concerned but I think some of it's being overblown. But hey, we all have an opinion, lol, myself included.
 

Kamikaze

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Remember Walt’s quote...”In Florida, we have the blessing of size.” I am pretty sure that didn’t mean build bigger buildings.

No, it meant 'There’s enough land here to hold all the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine.'

It didn't mean anything about sight lines, 'intrusion', 'hiding things from view' or anything of the sort.

If you want to make the argument that the quote means nothing should be torn down but only added to, thats a horse of a different color. But Walt did explain it in the very next sentence.

Also - what would you have liked them to do with the Soarin building? Build another building in front of it? It does blend in pretty damn well the way it is.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
OK, I know that they blew their own horn on the "higher standard" thing and in very many ways have kept that. But, if you compare it to the utiladors which are not seen by the public and look at what we have gotten since Walt died, I don't know how anyone can think that the haven't kept that "higher standard" in many way. Why couldn't, for example, the Gondola's as a mode of transportation from resorts to the parks, not be right up there with the utilidors. Is it just because we refuse to acknowledge it or is it because we have seen that in theme parks resorts everywhere. There are mechanical elements of the Gondola that cannot be completely hidden, unlike burying thing underground. People here seem to be bent on the thought that Disney or anyone else can alter the laws of physics or, to make it simple, the very fact that these items are in the open and therefore will be seen, at least in part, from many places in the area. That doesn't make them against the "high standards" of Walt Disney, who put gondola's in Disneyland and, by extension, in MK with absolutely no attempt to make them something other then what they were. It's like we take the words, "higher standard" and apply it to anything we feel like applying it too. It doesn't work that way.

Soarin may be a big eyesore if that is what you focus on, but, where would you suggest they put that building and what way would you disguise a massive structure so that no one would ever have to see it. Some of the demands of a limited public about this stuff are beyond physical possibility. Like I said before, it is there and unless I actually think to look for it, I do not notice it at all, and for most people even if they do, they just plain don't care. That isn't a standard that is miracle seeking. If only someone would invent invisible solid structures we would all be happier.
You are all over the place with this post. I am not saying anything against the gondolas as a concept and in past posts I have praised the project. I think it will likely end up somewhere between exceptional and iconic depending on how efficiently it operates, but that wasn’t the point of what I posted. I also think many of the current projects have met the high standards of the past.

In your post you specifically stated that you just don’t see or ignore flaws and you said you feel sorry for people who can’t do the same. I was trying to point out why some people do apply a higher standard to Disney. Disney set the bar so high with over the top attention to details that people expect near perfection. That’s why they point out things like this gondola tower seen over Paris or seeing the show building for Soarin. Historically these were things that Disney would correct. We need to wait to see how they handle the gondola tower issue but I’m pretty confident it will be addressed in some way. In other words they won’t leave it like that and just hope people ignore the flaw.

As far as Soarin goes they could have made a better attempt to build a facade or plant trees or something to hide it better. There are plenty of recent projects like FLE or really all of AK park where the Classic Disney attention to detail is on display. It’s unusual for them to have a big miss which is why it gets talked about a lot.
 

Lift Blog

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The current pace is really making me hope that they'll just about finish the DHS line before going back to the remaining stations, just so we can see how it'll all fit together and so one part of it would be ready. They have roof panels on site so it can't be far off. But the nerd in me is not looking forward to them covering up the mechanics because I want to see how it all works!
Doppelmayr is starting construction this month on 20 more of these lifts that will be finished by December. They don't mess around!
 

WDWTrojan

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No, it meant 'There’s enough land here to hold all the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine.'

It didn't mean anything about sight lines, 'intrusion', 'hiding things from view' or anything of the sort.

If you want to make the argument that the quote means nothing should be torn down but only added to, thats a horse of a different color. But Walt did explain it in the very next sentence.

Also - what would you have liked them to do with the Soarin building? Build another building in front of it? It does blend in pretty damn well the way it is.

One of the main drivers of the Florida project was Walt's extreme dislike of sight lines being ruined by the tourist traps that popped up on Harbor Boulevard in Anaheim - he hated guests riding the Skyway and seeing "the real world."
 

NobodyElse

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So is the view of Soarin from across World Showcase. So won’t the view of UoE be once it is done. The current generation of leadership does not care about “show” like Walt demanded.. that is unless it it says “....me the money” after it.

While I understand your point, I wouldn't go overboard on the comparisons. Many of the sight-lines at Walt's original "Magic Kingdom" were pretty rough.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
If I recall correctly, Walt Disney paid to have the power lines around Disneyland buried underground so that they wouldn't be seen from inside the park. Perhaps they could do that with the gondola cables?

(where's that sarcasm font when you need it)
Uh, that would make this the world's first scuba ride.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I believe that I said that. But, it cannot all be compared to that because other things are of a higher standard as well and just pointing out one thing does not define everything else.
You seem to misunderstand the concept of "higher standard" -- if Disney built the most beautiful outhouses in the world and talked about building "the highest standard of outhouses for our valued guests", it doesn't matter because conceptually an outhouse is not a high-standard product.

I'm not saying the Gondolas will be the equivalent of an outhouse, but if a Gondola system, even built to the highest of Gondola system standards, intrudes on the design standards throughout the resort, then by their mission of achieving a "higher standard" they shouldn't be building one.

The "higher standard" of resort transportation isn't a really, really good version of a Gondola. It's a Monorail.
 

BrianLo

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Now is a good enough time as any to remember that Walt didn’t design Walt Disney World. Nor was his goal theme parks. I’m sure he’d be actually greatly upset about what they did to his vision of E.P.C.O.T.

The great secret of the whole complex really is that Walt would probably have been upset about most of it, even the parts people misattribute to his hand.
 

montyz81

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While I understand your point, I wouldn't go overboard on the comparisons. Many of the sight-lines at Walt's original "Magic Kingdom" were pretty rough.
I do understand that. But by the time he passed away they were vastly improved. But Disneyland “quality of show“ was a pioneering effort in those days. They had just begun to dream!
 

montyz81

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Now is a good enough time as any to remember that Walt didn’t design Walt Disney World. Nor was his goal theme parks. I’m sure he’d be actually greatly upset about what they did to his vision of E.P.C.O.T.

The great secret of the whole complex really is that Walt would probably have been upset about most of it, even the parts people misattribute to his hand.
I think we all get that 1982 EC was nothing what Walt wanted. But the final product was built buy people who lived under his demand for quality and show. So yeah, he had his hand in it!
 

peter11435

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I do understand that. But by the time he passed away they were vastly improved. But Disneyland “quality of show“ was a pioneering effort in those days. They had just begun to dream!

Agreed. Although there were some equally rough sight lines at WDW’s Magic Kingdom in 1971 we choose to forget about. Some still exist today.
 

Goofyernmost

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You seem to misunderstand the concept of "higher standard" -- if Disney built the most beautiful outhouses in the world and talked about building "the highest standard of outhouses for our valued guests", it doesn't matter because conceptually an outhouse is not a high-standard product.

I'm not saying the Gondolas will be the equivalent of an outhouse, but if a Gondola system, even built to the highest of Gondola system standards, intrudes on the design standards throughout the resort, then by their mission of achieving a "higher standard" they shouldn't be building one.

The "higher standard" of resort transportation isn't a really, really good version of a Gondola. It's a Monorail.
I completely understand the concept... you appear to me to not have the ability to recognize what is or isn't "high Standard" in any concept beyond your own personal opinion of it.
 

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