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Incomudro

Incomudro

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doctornick said:
I feel like they need to have a magnetized lock or something that only can be opened when activated during a line shutdown or something. I feel bad for the guest who actually does get stuck for a while and finds out that the kit has been pillaged.
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In case of emergency Break Glass.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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doctornick said:
I feel like they need to have a magnetized lock or something that only can be opened when activated during a line shutdown or something. I feel bad for the guest who actually does get stuck for a while and finds out that the kit has been pillaged.
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You don't just have emergencies during power off... you just need to show if they are tampered with.
 
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joelkfla

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Goofyernmost said:
No, they don't. If all is going properly the main lines never stop moving, slow up yes, but never stop. the load and unload for the regular part is operated by tire drive separated from the main rope and the wheelchair etc. area pulls off the line to a stop and then joins the continuously moving rope. Theoretically, the main rope never stops moving.
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I agree, theoretically. But that hasn't been the practical experience so far. Every YouTube I've watched has Skyliner stopping at least once.

Based on that, it doesn't seem to be a big deal to stop and start the line.
 
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joelkfla

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cindy_k said:
They definitely need some more training with the handicap cabin flow. Some of the cast members had difficulty getting the timing right to get the cabin back in rotation. Something about needing to press the button at just the right moment. (we waited in Epcot station for about 10 minutes while they figured it out.
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If that's the case, I'm surprised and disappointed that it isn't more automated. Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to have the cm push a button saying, "OK, this cabin's loaded and ready to go," and have the computer handle the timing.
 
cindy_k

cindy_k

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joelkfla said:
If that's the case, I'm surprised and disappointed that it isn't more automated. Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to have the cm push a button saying, "OK, this cabin's loaded and ready to go," and have the computer handle the timing.
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We actually had the same conversation in our party. There is either a training issue, or its just not as automated as one would hope.
There also seemed to be specially marked cabins (I don't know how they are marked) that are used for the handicap. They had wheelchair stops (rubber wedges) in the cabins already. At one point the CM said we were waiting for the next Handicap cabin to come down the line to let us go and that he felt that they needed more of these cabins on the line.
 
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joelkfla

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cindy_k said:
We actually had the same conversation in our party. There is either a training issue, or its just not as automated as one would hope.
There also seemed to be specially marked cabins (I don't know how they are marked) that are used for the handicap. They had wheelchair stops (rubber wedges) in the cabins already. At one point the CM said we were waiting for the next Handicap cabin to come down the line to let us go and that he felt that they needed more of these cabins on the line.
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Aha - that sounds like it may be the problem. Disney has decided that as a matter of procedure only pre-designated cabins will enter the 2nd loop, but if Doppelmayr's control system was not designed to recognize those cabins, cm's would have to push the button during the 11 seconds when a pre-designated cabin is the next to pass the track switch. To complicate matters, the button to be pushed might be at the wheelchair load position, which doesn't have a very good view of cabins approaching the switch.

Perhaps a control system software enhancement or a shuffling of cm responsibilities is in order. I understand the system does have the capability to identify which cabin is entering the station, by rfid, ocr, or barcode. (If Disney didn't purchase that option, they should.) They need either to add the capability to enter a list of designated cabins and have the system automatically switch out the next one, or to have a cm manually track their location so that an alert can be created to signal when the next one arrives. It's not insurmountable, but a human-based solution would require more manpower.
 
cindy_k

cindy_k

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joelkfla said:
Aha - that sounds like it may be the problem. Disney has decided that as a matter of procedure only pre-designated cabins will enter the 2nd loop, but if Doppelmayr's control system was not designed to recognize those cabins, cm's would have to push the button during the 11 seconds when a pre-designated cabin is the next to pass the track switch. To complicate matters, the button to be pushed might be at the wheelchair load position, which doesn't have a very good view of cabins approaching the switch.

Perhaps a control system software enhancement or a shuffling of cm responsibilities is in order. I understand the system does have the capability to identify which cabin is entering the station, by rfid, ocr, or barcode. (If Disney didn't purchase that option, they should.) They need either to add the capability to enter a list of designated cabins and have the system automatically switch out the next one, or to have a cm manually track their location so that an alert can be created to signal when the next one arrives. It's not insurmountable, but a human-based solution would require more manpower.
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That does sound like exactly what was happening. And it seemed to me that the younger (video game generation) cast members were having an easier time with it than the older ones.
Maybe they are updating the software now... they seem to be down all day today.
 
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mwf5555

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Goofyernmost said:
Not sure I understand the question. If you are asking if the staining and weathering of the beams that have been sitting out there and have thousand upon thousands of rubber tired vehicles traverse them for almost 50 years bother me, well that is normal and unavoidably a huge waste of money to do anything about. I don't ride directly on the rails, I ride in the train itself and cannot see them from my above it all vantage point. Even if I could I realize that they don't go out and scrape the rubber off the roads that wind through the resort. The fantasy is not with the transportation, it is with the attractions that the Monorail Trains and now the Gondola's carry us too. Focus is important. Focusing on the utilities is a good way to suck the enjoyment out of anything we care to mention.
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I must have misinterpreted your original post complaining that the posts are not going to be painted...
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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mwf5555 said:
I must have misinterpreted your original post complaining that the posts are not going to be painted...
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You must be thinking about someone else because I have never complained about it. I have always known that they are utilities and as such do not need all the makeup, bows and ribbons. I also know that within a couple of months no one will even think about it again. I'm also old enough to have experienced the Skyway ride that was an attraction that ran right through the middle of Magic Kingdom with no painted posts and riding over the ugly roofs of the attraction buildings complete with litter and machinery. No one complained about it at all.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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joelkfla said:
I agree, theoretically. But that hasn't been the practical experience so far. Every YouTube I've watched has Skyliner stopping at least once.

Based on that, it doesn't seem to be a big deal to stop and start the line.
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It hasn't even officially opened up yet, they might be stopping it for a variety of reasons and even after it becomes official, it will probably still be stopping until the crew can get into the flow of things and work like they do on the non-stop rides. Sometimes the do have to stop but from what I have seen it is something that really shouldn't have to stop unless somebody falls down or something. They are hardly even moving in the station, and if people can walk and chew gum at the same time should not be any reason to stop the line. They are not picking skies off the side or encumbered by slippery snow. Give it a chance to fall in to rhythm.
 
trainplane3

trainplane3

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We got some radio codes at 27:05:

As the person in the Youtube comments said: "Sky 1. TIG Line. Out occurred. Unloading process not completed. Trinidad"

Also from the comments on the past couple pages, turns out they do have security "loop" things on the emergency kits:
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