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[danlb_2000]

But this is purely your opinion and anecdotal at best.....

But it's far from an isolated opinion. It's been open for a month already (downtime aside), and there hasn't been a huge backlash against the lack of AC. Lots of people have said that it's quite confortable, even people who were skeptical before it opened.

 

[Clamman73]

Back at Caribbean hub and looks Ike Epcot line is running now.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Apparently it went down at 4:15, and it’s still down. I’m currently hanging around IG waiting it out, but I might end up walking to Studios if it takes too long.

they have to reset the board, we are back to “0 days since last incident”

 

[Chi84]

But it's far from an isolated opinion. It's been open for a month already (downtime aside), and there hasn't been a huge backlash against the lack of AC. Lots of people have said that it's quite confortable, even people who were skeptical before it opened.

We were at CBR last week when the temperatures were near 90 with real feel temps near 100, and we rode the Skyliner to Epcot and HS - I think we rode 8 times in all. We were never uncomfortable because there was a pretty good breeze going through the cabin. It did start to get warm in the stations when the gondolas slowed down, but they opened the doors for ventilation. I can imagine it would get uncomfortably warm if you were stuck in one for any length of time.

 

[Andrew C]

Awesome. Argument about why enclosed attraction buildings have AC but a gondola specifically designed without one doesn’t.

 

[WDW Monorail]

90 something degrees ambient temperature and I had to close the intake louver since it was a bit more breezy in the cabin than it needed to be.

 

[Phil12]

But it's far from an isolated opinion. It's been open for a month already (downtime aside), and there hasn't been a huge backlash against the lack of AC. Lots of people have said that it's quite confortable, even people who were skeptical before it opened.

But that's when the Skyliner is moving. There have been numerous honest evaluations stating that the gondolas get very hot when stopped and that when moving the amount of gondola ventilation (and hence comfort) largely depends upon which way the wind is blowing. If the gondolas are traveling in a following wind, they get hot because the ventilation is reduced.

It's clear that on a hot and humid day, getting stuck on a gondola for more than a few minutes will be very uncomfortable. For a longer period some guests will suffer heat related health problems dependent upon their age and general health. And those health problems could be very serious if the victims are left stranded in the gondolas for several hours.

And what I have stated is not a skeptical analysis, but rather just the plain facts of the matter.

 

[danlb_2000]

But that's when the Skyliner is moving. There have been numerous honest evaluations stating that the gondolas get very hot when stopped and that when moving the amount of gondola ventilation (and hence comfort) largely depends upon which why the wind is blowing. If the gondolas are traveling in a following wind, they get hot because the ventilation is reduced.

It's clear that on a hot and humid day, getting stuck on a gondola for more than a few minutes will be very uncomfortable. For a longer period some guests will suffer heat related health problems dependent upon their age and general health. And those health problems could be very serious if the victims are left stranded in the gondolas for several hours.

And what I have stated is not a skeptical analysis, but rather just the plain facts of the matter.

And has been discussed numerous times, the same issue applies to the monorail.

 

[Ripken10]

And has been discussed numerous times, the same issue applies to the monorail.

or standing in it. Or walking in a theme park in. Oh wait, that would be worse.

 

[Phil12]

And has been discussed numerous times, the same issue applies to the monorail.

You're right. So what does this tell us? Disney is more interested in "show" than in substance. At least we have a highly reliable form of transport with the buses and with any luck we can be sandwiched in with a bunch of attractive people.

It would appear that the Disney executive in charge of Skyliner operations is this guy:

 

[TrojanUSC]

You're right. So what does this tell us? Disney is more interested in "show" than in substance. At least we have a highly reliable form of transport with the buses and with any luck we can be sandwiched in with a bunch of attractive people.

It would appear that the Disney executive in charge of Skyliner operations is this guy:
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Buses break down all the time. They're also highly inefficient, labor intensive, environmentally unfriendly and a far worse rider experience than the gondolas (I'd rather a nice breezy cabin with 5 people and no traffic lights than in a gross bus with someone's sweaty rear end in my face). Gondolas are a safe, proven transportation system and the same "issues" (hot while the system is down, paused operations during inclement weather, etc) apply to all current WDW mass transportation systems.

I am fairly certain (not from inside knowledge, but knowing the "cheap as we can" mentality of Dis Corp) that they have discussed replacing the existing monorail system around MK and to Epcot with a gondola system. If they were going to stick with the monorail I believe we would have heard about new trains by now. I could be wrong. I also see them tying in lines to Animal Kingdom and Disney Springs.

Unlikely for a number of reasons:

- The layout of the MK resort area would require multiple turning stations at a high cost or multiple lines. Just not effective when he monorail is still functionally working. Also, while the MK hotels are flagship resorts, they are relatively small compared to the value/moderate resorts that made this system worthwhile.

- The DAK idea is nice in theory but the reason this system worked so well for its current location is that there is such a high percentage of guest rooms so very close together and in such close proximity to two theme parks that it was feasible. DAK is literally miles away from any other theme park or resort (besides DAK Lodge) which would make it a far tougher logistical headache

 

[Rich Brownn]

I didn't realize you rode the thing in the hottest of summer months. I thought the thing opened at the end of September?!

Yes, I would agree that your opinion would have been "informed" had you ridden the thing in the middle of July. But you didn't. So please educate me as to how your opinion is in any way informed for the discussion at hand!

Believe it or not, its still shockingly hot and humid in Florida! As I pointed out it was 92 degrees and humid when I rode it. Sp yes, I can personally vouch for the ventilation working quite well in there. Now have you ridden it? If not, then you do not have first hand knowledge and your opinion is only based on second hand information.

 

[danlb_2000]

The site which cannot be named is reporting another outage of one of the lines related to issues with the ADA loading area. I have been a strong supporter of this system from day one, but that support is starting to waver.

 

[larryz]

The site which cannot be named is reporting another outage of one of the lines related to issues with the ADA loading area. I have been a string supporter of this system from day one, but that support is starting to waver.

I hear ya. At this rate, they'd have been better off installing moving sidewalks on elevated platforms.

 

[JoeCamel]

I hear ya. At this rate, they'd have been better off installing moving sidewalks on elevated platforms.

With little benches attached to the sidewalk so you can rest as you travel?

 

[danlb_2000]

With little benches attached to the sidewalk so you can rest as you travel?

What if they hung the benches from a moving cable, then you can travel while sitting. Problem solved!

 

[Nigelbfc]

Boats and trams aren't permanent structures. A gondola is. They will never be able to add A/C to it nor be able to run it in a lightning storm.

My entire point being that perhaps a gondola wasn't the best choice given the above limitations.

Your fighting a losing battle here because people who have rode it have all given you the same feedback. AC is not needed on Skyliner the cabins when I rode it on a 90 degree day were perfectly pleasant. Also the cabin doors open that frequently that an AC system would be inefficient and not great for the environment. I would go so far as to say the Skyliner is the best onsite transport system WDW as…….

 

[Creathir]

With little benches attached to the sidewalk so you can rest as you travel?

How about individual benches... maybe in little cars of some sort.

And maybe a magnetic propulsion system for efficiency and speed!

A mover of people if you will.

 

[drizgirl]

How about individual benches... maybe in little cars of some sort.

And maybe a magnetic propulsion system for efficiency and speed!

A mover of people if you will.

Nah. Can't be done.

 

[Jonathan Wang]

anyone see the video of bob gur critisizing the skyliners due to evac procedure and estop? he made good points.