Horizons '83
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They could open up anything and throw a cardboard cut out of a sign and people will show up the first few months because its shiny and new. Like others have said, what does this look like in a year?
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New Enhancements, Dining Options Coming to Disney’s BoardWalk
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JMcMahonEsq
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I will admit 20 years ago falls into what i will call the WDW deadzone for me, as it was after we were taking trips when i was a kid with my parents, and before I had kids of my own and were taking them.
I still just don't see the market for a late night setting/experience at WDW in generally (some of this might be personal bias) but objectively, I can't see boardwalk serving as that location, even if there was a market for it. The just isn't the transportation system their to make it viable to the broad section of the resorts, and I don't think there is a big enough market for it within the epcott resort area to make it a whorthwile full time night location.
Going back to the cake shop, and completely anecdotal, we had a post fall baseball/softball get together this weekend and many of the people at the event know I am someone of a Disney fan, lol. There were 3 separate families that were talking about the cake shop as a Grandmother/Grandaughter must try. Now you have some potential data scewing factors here as 2 of the 3 families are "Marriot" people so they stay generally at S/D so they are in the area anyway, but that it came up in conversation at all was a bit surprising.
Having only boys, for those in the know, is there any type of Bibbity Bobbity Boo equivalent type offering at either Epcott or HS? The combination of getting dressed up and then going to that location for a fancy tea could be a decent 1-2 afternoon.
FettFan
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Fido Chuckwagon
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That does not seem particularly crowded for a brand new “it thing” restaurant, and they’re not going to survive if they can only attract some customers for the hour after Epcot closes. I still think they’re going to fail relatively quickly.
peter11435
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I think their prices are out of line and overall the restaurant isn’t my thing… but this is still a ridiculous post.
RememberWhen
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No. Currently the only BBB option is at the MK. But lots of people preserve the kids hair and redo the makeup, so it could be a day-after kind of thing.
CaptJackSparrow
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Disney Owned “Jazz” club.Another website reporting Jelly Rolls is apparently closing in January to be replaced by a Disney owned club. Interesting
Tha Realest
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Disney has been leaning into “Adventure” for recent naming conventions. They used it for their newest cruise ship, it’s the theme for the Disney Treasure, and they’re using it for the name of the Disneyland Paris park.Another website reporting Jelly Rolls is apparently closing in January to be replaced by a Disney owned club. Interesting
Maybe this could be a Club of sorts for Adventurers.
JMcMahonEsq
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The more I think about it, this “type” of restaurant, a specific theme offering, could be one of the only types that might have a chance at success at the boardwalk. I am not saying the cake shop is it, but it has a chance.
Assuming your putting a restaurant in this location, you could go with one of three hugely overbroad categories. A simple quick service type place, a more upscale sit down type location, or like Cake Bake, a novelty/theme restaurant, where your coming almost as much for the ambiance, as you are the food.
Assuming you go with either 1 or 2, why are people coming to eat there? Getting to the boardwalk if you are not a guest in the Epcot area, or coming from Epcott/HS isn't the easiest journey. Sure during the day you could take a bus from your resort, to a park, and then another bus from the park to Boardwalk or Yacht club, but if the location is just a quick service or sit down restaurant, you are going to have plenty more options at your own resorts, and a lot less hassle to get there.
If your at a park, the same travel issue is there, but gets a bit easier, you could again take a park bus to boardwalk, or if your at Epcot or HS, you could walk/boat out of the park. But if its just a regular sit down or quick service joint, how many people are leaving the park to go to the boardwalk when the parks have many other dining options. And if your not staying in the epcott area, you would be leaving the park, going to boardwalk, then having to get your self back to your resort area, or park. Maybe this would appeal to people who are staying in the epcott area, and its a stop off for lunch/dinner after a day at the park before heading back to your room, but 1) now your limiting your customer base pretty significantly and 2) all the epcot resort areas have their own dining available, unless there is a lack of it available, what does adding just another sit down or quick service restaurant get you?
Cake bake shop offers an "experience" for good or for bad, that you are not going to get at another restaurant on property. Its the type of restaurant that you would "travel" or schedule your day around because its the only place you can go to get it. Is it enough of a draw to entice people over to the boardwalk long term....I can't say. But it at minimum offers something that gives a customer a reason to seek it out, that makes it the preferred choice over more convenient food locations in whatever area a potential customer might be in. It appears that WDW does NOT have the goal of making the boardwalk its own independent revenue generator where they are facilitating/encouraging people to go there independently as a destination, as opposed to just an ancillary feature of the Epcott resort area. If that stays the case, then a restaurant there has to be its own draw, as the boardwalk itself is not driving customers to the area. I can't say this theme is it, but its got a better chance than insert random sandwich/chicken finger and French fry restaurant here.
Assuming your putting a restaurant in this location, you could go with one of three hugely overbroad categories. A simple quick service type place, a more upscale sit down type location, or like Cake Bake, a novelty/theme restaurant, where your coming almost as much for the ambiance, as you are the food.
Assuming you go with either 1 or 2, why are people coming to eat there? Getting to the boardwalk if you are not a guest in the Epcot area, or coming from Epcott/HS isn't the easiest journey. Sure during the day you could take a bus from your resort, to a park, and then another bus from the park to Boardwalk or Yacht club, but if the location is just a quick service or sit down restaurant, you are going to have plenty more options at your own resorts, and a lot less hassle to get there.
If your at a park, the same travel issue is there, but gets a bit easier, you could again take a park bus to boardwalk, or if your at Epcot or HS, you could walk/boat out of the park. But if its just a regular sit down or quick service joint, how many people are leaving the park to go to the boardwalk when the parks have many other dining options. And if your not staying in the epcott area, you would be leaving the park, going to boardwalk, then having to get your self back to your resort area, or park. Maybe this would appeal to people who are staying in the epcott area, and its a stop off for lunch/dinner after a day at the park before heading back to your room, but 1) now your limiting your customer base pretty significantly and 2) all the epcot resort areas have their own dining available, unless there is a lack of it available, what does adding just another sit down or quick service restaurant get you?
Cake bake shop offers an "experience" for good or for bad, that you are not going to get at another restaurant on property. Its the type of restaurant that you would "travel" or schedule your day around because its the only place you can go to get it. Is it enough of a draw to entice people over to the boardwalk long term....I can't say. But it at minimum offers something that gives a customer a reason to seek it out, that makes it the preferred choice over more convenient food locations in whatever area a potential customer might be in. It appears that WDW does NOT have the goal of making the boardwalk its own independent revenue generator where they are facilitating/encouraging people to go there independently as a destination, as opposed to just an ancillary feature of the Epcott resort area. If that stays the case, then a restaurant there has to be its own draw, as the boardwalk itself is not driving customers to the area. I can't say this theme is it, but its got a better chance than insert random sandwich/chicken finger and French fry restaurant here.
Another website reporting Jelly Rolls is apparently closing in January to be replaced by a Disney owned club. Interesting
Jellyrolls is Disney operated already.
mastromjm
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It is not, it is a third party business (I work there)
Yup, Disney would never want to own something that is fun and entertaining for adults to enjoy into the early morning hours.
The new Disney is all about catering every possible offering to 10 year olds and leasing space to places that charge $34 for a slice of cake.
JMcMahonEsq
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Why would they? Seriously, Disney is a business. If something is popular and makes money, they will offer it. If not, they won't. You think the accountants care if the dollars are coming from rent from businesses selling cake vs selling people drinks into the early morning hours?
There's a separate post on this topic and it epitomizes many of the "complaints" I see on this board. Someone posting, wow this place/restaurant/area is closing, it looks fun. I HAVE NEVER BEEN, but looks neat. The amount of people complaining that WDW is only about the profit/money, and then also complaining that they are closing something that is loved and fun and entertaining is mind boggling. If it was popular and generating profit, wouldn't the profit hungry corporation keep it? If its not, maybe it means your personal tastes just don't simply match up with the market as a whole.
Yup with fewer guests, half-empty resorts, massive across the board price increases, and removing popular attractions and venues, they sure are doing a great job!
Big River Grill (3rd Party) likely left because Disney jacked the rent, JellyRolls is likely leaving for the same reason. None of this has anything to do with whether they were popular or not (which they were/are) but solely because Disney felt that they could extract more from them.
So you now have even more of the Boardwalk entertainment and dining offerings shuttered or empty. (How long do you think Cake Bake will be operating?) It's not even crowded.
Jazz Club? How much do you think the cover will be? (I'll bet you a shiny nickel it won't be free and be more than Jelly Rolls). How much more do you think the drinks will cost? etc. etc. etc.
ToTBellHop
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I think perhaps there is enough room for a nuanced approach of "I disagree with some of what this company has done and endeavor to not spend money on those things."
I don't really have a problem with Disney+ or its pricing. But, I won't be purchasing a Premier Pass...or eating $25 cake with freezer burn. Gwendolyn can go kick rocks.
I don't really have a problem with Disney+ or its pricing. But, I won't be purchasing a Premier Pass...or eating $25 cake with freezer burn. Gwendolyn can go kick rocks.
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I totally agree, which is why I posted what I did. I can say unequivocally that DVC jumped the shark a decade ago, in my opinion. I can sail on a DCL cruise while still acknowledging their pricing is getting out of hand. Same with the parks - There are reasons that one would or could visit. It doesn't mean it's an endorsement of park management.
TrainsOfDisney
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In this case the entire company ceased to exist and all other restaurants closed as well.
