New Disney Park in America?

Thrawn

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robynchic said:
Excuse me? "The fact that people are so gullible"? Have you ever BEEN to that part of Virginia? There are historical landmarks EVERYWHERE. I live in the part that you're talking about. The local mall's plans had to be re-done when it was being built because a bulldozer picked up a body in a Confederate uniform. I've found bullets from the guns when hiking. It's not a claim. It's TRUE. There ARE battlefields all over. And they were planning on building it next to the MANASSAS BATTLEFIELD (which is a national historical site). Some southerners (or Confederates...:rolleyes: ) call it "The Battle of Manassas Junction" because the Confederates refer to the battles by the railroad junctions. Everyone else read this battle in their history book as "The Battle of Bull Run" (1 AND 2).

Ok, simple question: How can the huge income from a Disney park not be better than a field that, really, in the general sense, no one really cares about. (Yes, some people do, but something like 95% of the country knows/cares very little about US history)
 

robynchic

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Okay, well if no one really cares about it, let's have Disney build a couple of parks- one in Virginia, and one in this little place called Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
 

Thrawn

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robynchic said:
Okay, well if no one really cares about it, let's have Disney build a couple of parks- one in Virginia, and one in this little place called Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

Most people would not care. However, this might be of interest to you.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05116/494384.stm

Its about a proposed casino right near Gettysburg. (Edited, I shouldnt have put that here)

You also didn't answer my original question.

Edit: Also, http://www.johnmceuen.com/filmscor.htm says that Manassas gets 300,000 to 400,000 visitors a year. That could be WEEKLY if it was a Disney park. Also, it wasn't on the battlefield ground, as you said, just near it.

Further, I hate to tell you this, but most everything on the east coast was a site of a battle in the Revolutionary War. But that isn't important, right?
 

robynchic

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Okay, how about this, then:

Virginia's temperatures range from around 22 degrees farenheit in January to 87 degrees farenheit in July. (At least in Fairfax County, which is the next county from where Disney America would have been). Snow? Oh yeah, we get blizzards about every 4 years. West Nile virus? Got that. Huge numbers of mosquitos? Locusts every 17 years? Got that, and that.

Does it still sound appealing?
 

Thrawn

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robynchic said:
Okay, how about this, then:

Virginia's temperatures range from around 22 degrees farenheit in January to 87 degrees farenheit in July. (At least in Fairfax County, which is the next county from where Disney America would have been). Snow? Oh yeah, we get blizzards about every 4 years. West Nile virus? Got that. Huge numbers of mosquitos? Locusts every 17 years? Got that, and that.

Does it still sound appealing?

Again, you are avoiding my question. None of that had any factor in the decision to keep Disney out. The people of the area hid behind the "ohhh its sacred ground" line. Nothing else.
 

robynchic

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Fine, I'll answer your question.

Disney was trying to build a park in one of the wealthiest areas in the United States. To keep people working there, they would probably have to bump up the pay to at least $8.50 an hour for the grunt work (like what CPs would earn). It really isn't a "huge" income like you imagine, when most people that live in that area have a net worth of about $1 million. The average single-family home in this area costs about $800,000 (for a new one).

So. Does it really sound like a huge income now?
 

Thrawn

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robynchic said:
Fine, I'll answer your question.

Disney was trying to build a park in one of the wealthiest areas in the United States. To keep people working there, they would probably have to bump up the pay to at least $8.50 an hour for the grunt work (like what CPs would earn). It really isn't a "huge" income like you imagine, when most people that live in that area have a net worth of about $1 million. The average single-family home in this area costs about $800,000 (for a new one).

So. Does it really sound like a huge income now?

Those people that are worth $1m+ wouldn't be the ones working at the park. It would improve life for those who would be, because, as you said, they'd be earning at least $8.50, which is much higher than minimum wage. How is that bad? The people worth the $1m+ would in turn, be spending money at the park. Another plus. So the CMs would have to commute. OH NO!!
 

LoisMustDie

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Thrawn said:
No, they don't. The heroes play a big part. The heroes always win. Name me an attraction where they don't, and everything doesn't turn out just fine.
You could argue Alien Encounter and Tower of Terror, but then again that would be nitpicky. Still, recently Disney does not shy away from tossing guests into these extremely dangerous (well...simulated dangerous) situations. I'm not trying to imply anything, just an observation.
 

Thrawn

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WDWFanatic007 said:
I'd love to see another park debuted in the U.S. something like in the Southeast or the Southwest,I would assume.

You just don't give up, do you?

Have to admire your tenacity, at least.
 

Thrawn

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LoisMustDie said:
You could argue Alien Encounter and Tower of Terror, but then again that would be nitpicky. Still, recently Disney does not shy away from tossing guests into these extremely dangerous (well...simulated dangerous) situations. I'm not trying to imply anything, just an observation.

You're right, but even in those it turns out ok in the end, granted, in ToT, you fall to your doom, but thats because its the Tower of Terror.

I agree, they would toss you into the situation, but a ride or park based on villians? Somehow I don't think that would be a "draw". Can you see a child saying "mommy i want to go to Disney World to see the bad guys!". I can't.
 

goofyfan13

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WDWFanatic007 said:
I'd love to see another park debuted in the U.S. something like in the Southeast or the Southwest,I would assume.

Your 34 years to late and 50 years too late respectively for each region. Disney parks have already been opened in the southeast(WDW) and the southwest(Disneyland)

Thrawn, I honestly now have to agree with your previous statement. :lol:
 

orlando2005

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Before they picked 'Rando, they were going to build WDW in New Orleans East, not far from my house, at the site of the existing Six Flags New Orleans.

Louisiana's two centuries of crooked politics is what sent them to 'Rando (where I hope to move in 2 years since I think Florida is the greatest thing since sliced bread).
 

TownSquareSteve

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Ok I guess it's time I chimed in on this whole debate. We all have wishes, fantasies and dreams and wish we could have a say on what type of park Disney will build next (if they ever build on in the states again, which I doubt). But here is the thing I am noticing from this thread. First Thrawn, you by far are one of the most knowledgable people on this site when it comes to business of Disney, but I do have to catch you on one thing, it seems like you argued 2 different points, the first you were say that Disney should only be a tourist destination where they would spend a few days:

Disney knows the money is in the weeklong or longer stays, and they will add parks to WDW or DLR to increase the amount of time people spend on their vacation. Why do you think the Disney Cruise Line includes days at WDW in their packages? To increase the time spent at Destination: Disney.

which I totally agree with by the way, but then you go onto to argue about Disney America:

Ok, simple question: How can the huge income from a Disney park not be better than a field that, really, in the general sense, no one really cares about. (Yes, some people do, but something like 95% of the country knows/cares very little about US history)

As talked about in detail in this very post, first and foremost the weather is less then ideal in Virginia for a Disney park. Second, Disney did get a heck of a deal from the state of Virginia to build the park also to have the state build new roads, but few high profile people (i.e. people with cash vetoed this little act because of the battle field excuse, which i do agree even though I love Disney, even if you don't know your history, we still have to perserve it for future generations. One of the reasons Euro Disney bombed at first (now Disneyland Paris) was that they did not guage the french people or the french history correctly and it came to bite them in the ***. After that little fiasco, Disney had enough problems to deal with and another park shrowded in controversy was not what the company wanted.

The ideas for new parks will never go away, we all will have ideas for new parks, I myself would love to see a heros/villians park. Heres the idea, it's set up like MK with a hub and spoke system, instead of a castle at the end you could have bald mountain and at night Chernabog could emerge with a choreographed firework show. The lands could be set up to have famous Disney heroes on one side of the park and the villians on the other, where the two sides come together you could have clashes of Disney heroes verse Disney villians, thru dark rides, 3-d movies, costers, live shows etc. The villians side would be more dark rides and thrill rides, the heroes would be more live shows, kid friendly attractions and the like. That is just my thought though and since my paycheck doesn't come from WDI, i really don't have a say in things like that.

The last point I want to make is that I have know idea why Disney has bought land down in Texas, but my idea is not another theme park persay, but what about the idea of a disney water park down there? Obviously there is always a need in Texas during the summer for a place to cool down. The upside of this is that they are designed to only be a day attraction, and are very profitable if done correctly. This way you still might be able to bring the magic of Disney to Texas, inc. characters, but not have to worry about detering #'s from Anaheim or Orlando.

These are just my thoughts and Thrawn keep up the good work, you have an amazing amount of knowledge and I love reading your posts.

One last thing, even though its almost totally unlikely, don't discount a small town to be Disney's next home, both Orlando and Anaheim were nothing before Disney came to town!!

Have a good night all,

Steve
 

that_L_do_pig

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TownSquareSteve said:
The last point I want to make is that I have know idea why Disney has bought land down in Texas, but my idea is not another theme park persay, but what about the idea of a disney water park down there? Obviously there is always a need in Texas during the summer for a place to cool down. The upside of this is that they are designed to only be a day attraction, and are very profitable if done correctly. This way you still might be able to bring the magic of Disney to Texas, inc. characters, but not have to worry about detering #'s from Anaheim or Orlando.

Texas is home to the #1 rated water park about 2 hours from this location in New Braunfels, Texas.
 

WDWFanatic007

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So you guys are saying it ain't gonna happen. It's done,not one more big park & a possible resort section installed in the U.S.-Southeast or Southwest???
 

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