New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[Splash4eva]

Not that hard? Really?

To go to a 3rd party and some form of documentation? No its really not. Other parks are already using such a thing

 

[Splash4eva]

They are deciding right now and people don’t like it…. So what’s the difference? Where is the line? What about all the people who legitimately had it before, they should still qualify?

People who qualified before are being given other options if they no longer qualify which again Disney has dropped ball there because they have not and still
Have not been clear on how that works as its become a mystery. Again people imo got greedy in a sense between party sizes re rides so on and so forth. Disney could have handled this much better but its clear why thy did what they did. To free up spots for selling pre booked Genie’s and potentially this new Uni like pass…

 

[Splash4eva]

That's what they are doing now.

Im talking with proof and docs

 

[Splash4eva]

This was a few years ago, but the school tried to label my daughter with learning disabilities because she is bad at math. They wanted to test her and we said fine, she scored above average. Not everyone is good at everything and some of us just struggle with certain subjects. They were angry that we wouldn't allow them to put her in the system as someone with a learning disability, because she didn't have one. They get more money from the government for these kids.
Everyone learns in different ways, that doesn't mean that they have a learning disability.

Exactly. Once again its all about the money. Like i said if people only knew hoe many kids have “iep’s” and some of the reasons they would be floored especially some of those who no longer have grade school kids…

 

[Angel Ariel]

To go to a 3rd party and some form of documentation? No its really not. Other parks are already using such a thing

And as pointed out, one of them is currently in the midst of a lawsuit for it.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Exactly. Once again it's all about the money. Like i said if people only knew hoe many kids have “iep’s” and some of the reasons they would be floored especially some of those who no longer have grade school kids…

Students with IEPs make up appx 14% of all students, students with 504s are an additional 3% (according to the latest available data from the office of civil rights).

given that appx 28% of adults have a disability (which obviously includes age-related disabilities that wouldn't be present in K-12), 14% isn't a shocking number. It's been fairly consistent at 14% nationwide since I started advocating with the schools about 7 years ago.

 

[jennab55]

Has anyone heard what they are doing with solo travelers that need to get out of the line? It has been a couple of months now and I have not heard of any first hand accounts of how they are handling this.

I’ve heard a few things in another group. It’s really dependent on the ride, how long the wait is, and party size.. Person was told at one ride to just go through the LL since line wasn’t super long (rare, at another ride for a return time, and another to try to wait in line and if needed to leave come back and see CM. In all these cases the person stopped and asked the CM before entering the line.

 

[jennab55]

People who qualified before are being given other options if they no longer qualify which again Disney has dropped ball there because they have not and still
Have not been clear on how that works as it’s become a mystery. Again people imo got greedy in a sense between party sizes re rides so on and so forth. Disney could have handled this much better but its clear why thy did what they did. To free up spots for selling pre booked Genie’s and potentially this new Uni like pass…

I honestly don’t think they did it JUST to free up spots for paid LL. There were a lot of complains from regular standby riders as ri how long the lines were and how so many people on LL. There were also complains of people with DAS that the LLs were longer than 20min consistently because so many people in them. So then certain DAS people couldn’t ride either. I think those were factors as well. Since limiting DAS people have said the LL are much shorter and standby is going faster. But that was all over summer. We will see how it goes when we get to busier fall season.

 

[jennab55]

This was a few years ago, but the school tried to label my daughter with learning disabilities because she is bad at math. They wanted to test her and we said fine, she scored above average. Not everyone is good at everything and some of us just struggle with certain subjects. They were angry that we wouldn't allow them to put her in the system as someone with a learning disability, because she didn't have one. They get more money from the government for these kids.
Everyone learns in different ways, that doesn't mean that they have a learning disability.

Interesting. I’ve heard opposite here. Schools don’t want to give out IEPs because they are underfunded. Schools are required to cover special Ed services 100%, but don’t get reimbursed from the state and federal government at 100% so they have to pull the remainder of the funds from elsewhere in their budget.

 

[jennab55]

To go to a 3rd party and some form of documentation? No its really not. Other parks are already using such a thing

Ok so let’s say someone has a mobility disability and can get approved with medical documentation at the other parks. They should get DAS too? They couldn’t before. Heck if they went the documentation route even more people may be approved then before. There are tons of people with documented disabilities that are able to wait in line, so this also doesn’t make sense unless it’s specific forms about how one is unable to wait in a line and that gets into a very fuzzy area.

 

[DisneyHead123]

All im saying is just bc someone has an iep it shouldnt grant access…. The easiest and best way is simple always has been always will be. Demand documentation or go to the 3rd party system where proof is somewhat needed…. Im on record countless times as a DAS user i have NO issue providing any documentation they need with my issues and concerns backed by a Dr providing said information etc… honestly anyone who has legit issues should feel the same way. Disney and all these other places have a business to run and if someone wants an accommodation there needs to be some proof imo.

But it’s not just the cheaters. That are too many people that have a disability, disorder, or other medical needs. So having people submit paperwork about having a medical need isn’t going to help either. We’d be back to where we were before.

To clarify I’m not saying anyone with a documented disability of any kind should qualify for DAS. I’m saying people with symptoms that do qualify for DAS could potentially bring paperwork to document it, in order to deter cheaters.

 

[jennab55]

To clarify I’m not saying anyone with a documented disability of any kind should qualify for DAS. I’m saying people with symptoms that do qualify for DAS could potentially bring paperwork to document it, in order to deter cheaters.

This gets tough because let’s use autism for example. Not all people with autism need DAS, so what would they submit? Plus as someone stated before, dr’s offices may charge to obtain specific documentation from a doctor (like a note) which could be problematic for some people (don’t have insurance, deductible is high, etc). I just don’t feel like medical documentation is this end all answer people think it is. There are still many negatives.

 

[Splash4eva]

And as pointed out, one of them is currently in the midst of a lawsuit for it.

I havent followed fully but off memory it has nothing to do with the fact documentation was required or asked for….

 

[Splash4eva]

Ok so let’s say someone has a mobility disability and can get approved with medical documentation at the other parks. They should get DAS too? They couldn’t before. Heck if they went the documentation route even more people may be approved then before. There are tons of people with documented disabilities that are able to wait in line, so this also doesn’t make sense unless it’s specific forms about how one is unable to wait in a line and that gets into a very fuzzy area.

Again Disney ultimate decides on how the disability will
Be handled BUT before that can happen one must show proof of said disability and why DAS is needed. In this case if the line can handle it one uses a wheelchairs/scooter. Seems pretty simple enough

 

[Splash4eva]

To clarify I’m not saying anyone with a documented disability of any kind should qualify for DAS. I’m saying people with symptoms that do qualify for DAS could potentially bring paperwork to document it, in order to deter cheaters.

And thats what im saying as well. Anyone who legit needs DAS should have NO problem providing docs privately to Disney thus basically eliminating even more cheaters. I be hard pressed to find Dr’s willing to lie (granted im sure some will) but you get my point

 

[jennab55]

And thats what im saying as well. Anyone who legit needs DAS should have NO problem providing docs privately to Disney thus basically eliminating even more cheaters. I be hard pressed to find Dr’s willing to lie (granted im sure some will) but you get my point

This will still be tons of people. All the people who got DAS prior can probably submit documentation (plus many with mobility issues). This sounds like more of a hassle than not and even more people would apply then are now. Also, I do believe that lawsuit has a section about having to provide documentation, here’s a quote from an article I found,

“The lawsuit indicates that the ADA bars entities from asking about the nature or extent of a person’s disability or requiring documentation.”

Six Flags Sued Over Disability Access Policy

Six Flags is facing allegations of discrimination, with a lawsuit contending that the system its parks and several others use to provide disability accommodations violates the ADA.

www.disabilityscoop.com

Here’s another article

Class Action Says Six Flags Illegally Requires Guests with Disabilities to Register with Private Entity Ahead of Time

A lawsuit claims the requirement that guests with disabilities register with a private, for-profit entity ahead of a visit to any Six Flags theme park is a violation of federal law.

www.classaction.org

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Exactly. Once again its all about the money. Like i said if people only knew hoe many kids have “iep’s” and some of the reasons they would be floored especially some of those who no longer have grade school kids…

This was a few years ago, but the school tried to label my daughter with learning disabilities because she is bad at math. They wanted to test her and we said fine, she scored above average. Not everyone is good at everything and some of us just struggle with certain subjects. They were angry that we wouldn't allow them to put her in the system as someone with a learning disability, because she didn't have one. They get more money from the government for these kids.
Everyone learns in different ways, that doesn't mean that they have a learning disability.

It's a pretty bad look in a thread where you are complaining that you aren't getting your preferred line-skip pass at a theme park due to a disability to turn around and complain about children who are receiving accommodations for their education in a school system due to a disability... Unlike riding Big Thunder Mountain without a wait, an education is actually a fundamental right.

 

[Ayla]

This will still be tons of people. All the people who got DAS prior can probably submit documentation (plus many with mobility issues). This"I sounds like more of a hassle than not and even more people would apply then are now. Also, I do believe that lawsuit has a section about having to provide documentation, here’s a quote from an article I found,

“The lawsuit indicates that the ADA bars entities from asking about the nature or extent of a person’s disability or requiring documentation.”

Six Flags Sued Over Disability Access Policy

Six Flags is facing allegations of discrimination, with a lawsuit contending that the system its parks and several others use to provide disability accommodations violates the ADA.

www.disabilityscoop.com

Here’s another article

Class Action Says Six Flags Illegally Requires Guests with Disabilities to Register with Private Entity Ahead of Time

A lawsuit claims the requirement that guests with disabilities register with a private, for-profit entity ahead of a visit to any Six Flags theme park is a violation of federal law.

www.classaction.org

Basically, the lawsuit is "I demand you give me accommodations, but how DARE you ask me for proof!"

 

[Angel Ariel]

And thats what im saying as well. Anyone who legit needs DAS should have NO problem providing docs privately to Disney thus basically eliminating even more cheaters. I be hard pressed to find Dr’s willing to lie (granted im sure some will) but you get my point

Except as @jennab55 rightly said, not all kids with an IEP require DAS level accommodation. The kid who has an IEP for speech articulation needs - which is totally valid for school purposes - doesn't necessarily have any co-existing disabilities that impact their ability to be in line. There still needs to be a deciding factor, as simply having an IEP shouldn't be enough.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Students with IEPs make up appx 14% of all students, students with 504s are an additional 3% (according to the latest available data from the office of civil rights).

given that appx 28% of adults have a disability (which obviously includes age-related disabilities that wouldn't be present in K-12), 14% isn't a shocking number. It's been fairly consistent at 14% nationwide since I started advocating with the schools about 7 years ago.

Thank you. I'm glad at least some in this thread are pushing back on these ridiculous assertions regarding IEP's.