Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
I would be all for it.The only way they’re getting rid of it is for a more irritating, more expensive product by another name.
I would be all for it.The only way they’re getting rid of it is for a more irritating, more expensive product by another name.
I misunderstood and thought that if someone had to leave the line, once they returned, they would would walk through the LL to meet up with their group and not wait in the LL until they met up with their group at the merge point. Thank you for clarifying.Nobody in the lightning lane needs to part. This is not a “cut to the front of the lightning lane system.” A person returning from an emergenncy will still need to wait in the LL.
Which is why I suggested that if a whole party leaves, they can issue an LRT (or maybe like you said, just get back in line). But if you have to use the restroom or change a diaper 10 mins into the line, and someone in your party is still in line, you go back to them later. RTQ wouldn't just let you take lightning lane unrestricted; it would presume you have a party to join. They can make it so you only move forward when everyone is together, otherwise they take your pass and send you back.It's trivial though. No one said you had to wait 30mins in line before you could leave (for Example). Literally under the system as described so far, get in line, then get back out. This is a flaw in the design. There basically needs to be a minimum commitment to qualify RTQ... otherwise they should just tell you to leave the queue and get back in line when you are ready.
You can already do that todayThis is still an advantage to the people because it allows some people to leave the queue without any constraints.
It's not about people's feelings, it's about equalizing the experience to all guests. People can react however they want.It's exactly what happens and while some see it as 'optimization' others see it as selfish or rude when a party tries to rejoin their 'advance scout' further up in the line
if you're gonna do all that why not just buy G+? Heck with how much all of that would cost might as well hire a VIP Guest tour and get all those benefits.And while it may not seem attractive right now... like I mentioned, this makes a perfect opportunity for line mules. Heck, you could even make a lentesla like operation out of it. Just have people in line all the time cycling through attractions ready to be merge rejoiners for others.
You tell your customer to get in line and get a RTQ pass... and then they are matched with someone in the queue already and they go through the LL and match up to their 'paired' mule.
So how does one get on rides, especially the newer ones, without Genie+?Many of the operational issues related to DAS are because it is a virtual queue system. Get rid of Genie+ and you eliminate a lot of those same operational issues at a larger scale.
Yes, but I think more individuals might use the RTQ option, because it’s open to everyone. Also, it could be a more disruptive option, because it might involve normalizing the idea of people moving around and pushing past others in line. Even if they’re going backwards and not forwards - you have a lot of people in a cramped space. I think it is in everyone’s best interest if the norm is to stand still. I feel like you just don’t want a lot of movement when people are crammed shoulder to shoulder.A possible difference I see here is that DAS would hold a larger party would it not? This RTQ I would imagine would only be 2 people max at normal. The one that needs to leave the line, and a possible helper.
Yes, I have no idea how that’s supposed to work and assume it involves people pushing their way out of line. I just don’t see any other way in many of the lines.The larger concern I see is where are all these cast members supposed to be so that you can "find" them and quickly get out of the line when you have an urgent need. Last time I went to WDW, it wasn't like there was a cast member every few feet monitoring the line.
This is someone's hope - and someone who is ignoring you just took a HUGE POPULATION and pulled the rug out from under them. This isn't some hidden gem people will have to discover... It's going to be iterated by Disney hundreds of times a day to people and also over every Disney website.
If there is an advantage to using it - people will.
It's the exact same population of potential abusers, though. Just like with hypothetical AQR abuse, DAS prior to May 20 was available to anyone who claimed to need it. AQR will be abused far less because there's far less to gain, and it's going to be inconvenient even in the best of circumstances. AQR doesn't let you and your family of six skip every standby line plus get two prebooked FastPasses every day of your trip just by telling someone over video chat that you have "bathroom issues".It's worse than the DAS population... because if it has any value besides simply 'I got to use the restroom and come back' it will be incentive for the population OUTSIDE of the DAS population to use it.
I welcome anyone to see how many times they can get away with that.It's trivial though. No one said you had to wait 30mins in line before you could leave (for Example). Literally under the system as described so far, get in line, then get back out.
It's worse than the DAS population... because if it has any value besides simply 'I got to use the restroom and come back' it will be incentive for the population OUTSIDE of the DAS population to use it.
It's a self-defeating loop... If it's good, it will draw people in to use it... killing itself and making a mess of the queues. If it's bad, it doesn't solve the initial problem for those who needed it.
Tru - 'viral' has a new definition and spread rate compared to even 10 yrs ago.
If someone leaves after the merge, they should have a way to return after it as well. Having to repeat the same wait would be ridiculous.Nobody in the lightning lane needs to part. This is not a “cut to the front of the lightning lane system.” A person returning from an emergenncy will still need to wait in the LL.
I’ve seen several mentions of changing diapers. Were they giving DAS for diapers? Like infants and toddlers?
I think it’s more the people from whatever that health company is that’s the rude ones. But I’m sure that tensions are high right now with everyone.I just can't imagine any world where Disney cast members are laughing at people or calling them liars. These calls are absolutely being monitored and reviewed by leaders, so it feels like the reality is people are being told no in a pretty firm way, with some clear guidelines that can perhaps come off as condescending when you've convinced yourself that skipping queues is the only viable option for you, then decide to embellish around it.
There's nothing about AQR that requires an emergency though. They are recommending this as the accommodation, for ex, for autistic people who do not qualify for DAS. Say an autistic child is denied (it's happened in this new system). The caregivers aren't likely to wait until their child is in crisis before leaving a queue, especially if sensory issues are a trigger for their child. Some may try and see how far they can push it. Others will leave as soon as they can to not risk a crisis.You’re still not understanding how this system works. There is no mule. Everyone is waiting in line. Someone has an emergency they can leave and join LL to meet the remaining party. If 10 people traveling with one person all have emergencies that’s going to be really easy to spot.
The same way they did for decades?So how does one get on rides, especially the newer ones, without Genie+?
I don't care how high tensions are running. Rudeness from medical professionals or CMs is no more acceptable than it is from applying guests.I think it’s more the people from whatever that health company is that’s the rude ones. But I’m sure that tensions are high right now with everyone.
If reports are to be seen as having any validity at all, those with sensory issues ans part of their disability are being denied DAS and told just to get noise cancelling headphones and such.Saw a decent amount DAS going in at 7:45…must have all been “sensory issues”
That would be huge. We get by now and don’t have issues returning to our party. Overall people are really nice about getting back to family.No. People are speaking of a parent needing to leave the line to change a diaper (or take a child to use the washroom) and return, and how they can benefit from a more streamlined process for this too.
The new DAS rules for the interviews went into effect on May 20th. Those who did the video chat before May 20th and were approved were grandfathered in with the old rules. We won't see changes at WDW until June 19th or 20th.Saw a decent amount DAS going in at 7:45…must have all been “sensory issues”
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