New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[hopemax]

Well, if 8 percent of people are using as much as 71 percent of ride capacity then reducing that to 4 percent of users could increase ride capacity by as much as 35 percent. Even just reducing it to 6 or 7 percent would cause a noticeable effect on overall capacity.

Although… if we believe the assertion that everyone with DAS would be in the standby line without it. Or we believe Disney can honestly accommodate the needs of DAS users with different standby procedures… then it wouldn’t change anything at all. Just where individual people were before the merge point and what time they boarded.

This only really improves if somebody isn’t riding anymore. Either impatient cheaters, or people who have to opt out rather than risk their or their family member’s health / meltdown. Disney’s expectation seems to be the cheaters won’t transition to standby.

Although standby moving even a little faster, with a small change in ratio, will probably feel like an improvement.

 

[DryerLintFan]

If all CMs (or their family members) have DAS, then statistically there's something very wrong there and perhaps Disney should have started cracking down on any abuse by their employees and then re-analyzed the impact guests are having to make a better informed decision from there.

If it’s that rampant i doubt they’d be able to crack down on CMs without it leaking that CMs specifically were abusing the system bully for disabled people. It would be hellish press.

They’d have to crack down on the whole system

 

[Splash4eva]

Plus, the pre books often don't even get used on time. I love the occasional

"guest is 467 minutes late
DAS pre registration"

It's weird it even has a late ping on the CM's end considering regular DAS don't expire. But yeah, the pre booking is just FP+ light and really isn't needed given how the regular DAS works.

Exactly. Again it needs to go. Im curious if they will keep it or not. I dk if they have stated what the plans are gonna be but either way yes it helps but something thats is not needed to make things “fair” for DAS users

 

[Angel Ariel]

If it’s that rampant i doubt they’d be able to crack down on CMs without it leaking that CMs specifically were abusing the system bully for disabled people. It would be hellish press.

They’d have to crack down on the whole system

I'm a bit more cynical. I doubt they would care as much about the press itself as needing to replace the staff they would likely lose (or need to lose) if it went public. (Or the impact it would have on CP recruitment)

 

[DryerLintFan]

Exactly. Again it needs to go. Im curious if they will keep it or not. I dk if they have stated what the plans are gonna be but either way yes it helps but something thats is not needed to make things “fair” for DAS users

I do recall a tinfoil hat theory back when they added that,… that they were tipping the scales so far in the favor of DAS so they could argue it was impeding operation’s and them gut the program legally

 

[Splash4eva]

Or at least make the prebooks lower rides. I was really surprised to see rides like SDD on the list

In fairness pre books are not pick of litter nor are the time slots but all that means is someone else took them already again they need to go no matter what “tier” we are talking about. I had ToT/SDD. PP/BTM. Navi/Dino(AK usually has the worst options) TSMM/SDD as my pre books last trip. How could this company be that dumb to hand these out when they know they have capacity issues?!? Heck i being ticked off as well. So where does the real problem sit with? DAS users or Disneys moronic policies

 

[Grantwil93]

If it’s that rampant i doubt they’d be able to crack down on CMs without it leaking that CMs specifically were abusing the system bully for disabled people. It would be hellish press.

They’d have to crack down on the whole system

its the same thing for local AP's, tour guides, DVC etc.

The system itself in the hands of ppl who do not need that level of accommodation(not sure how you determine that unless you are a health care specialist or psychiatrist), or any at all, leads to a less stressful and more fun experience for them. And it's a free perk. It invites abuse and ppl suck

 

[Splash4eva]

Well, as far as I can tell, cutting down party size was a main thing announced. So there is that.

But ppl will get around that the same way they do now, by getting multiple DAS passes. Which then leads back to why Disney seems to be trying to reduce the amount issued too

Even if they did im pretty sure you can only have 1 ride booked no matter how many people have it in your party. Bc i have had myself and my mom and we both could not book a separate attraction and include my daughter on each of them. So multiple DAS would do nothing really

 

[Splash4eva]

I do recall a tinfoil hat theory back when they added that,… that they were tipping the scales so far in the favor of DAS so they could argue it was impeding operation’s and them gut the program legally

Listen its potentially true. Would you put it past this company or any for that matter to get rid of something in the “name”
Of bettering the guest experience to make more money?!?

 

[Grantwil93]

I'm a bit more cynical. I doubt they would care as much about the press itself as needing to replace the staff they would likely lose (or need to lose) if it went public. (Or the impact it would have on CP recruitment)

The thing is, how do you prove it? The only way is to get medical information from employees. Which you can do, but it's not just open Season to procure whatever you want. Maybe they do have anxiety or maybe they do have condition xyz

It would be complicated to even figure out and some things they legally can't get.

 

[DryerLintFan]

Even if they did im pretty sure you can only have 1 ride booked no matter how many people have it in your party. Bc i have had myself and my mom and we both could not book a separate attraction and include my daughter on each of them. So multiple DAS would do nothing really

What? No.

They’re saying with a limit of 4 guests total, a party of 8 would get two DAS and split into two parties of 4 so they still all get DAS instead of just getting one DAS with previous lax group sizes

 

[Splash4eva]

its the same thing for local AP's, tour guides, DVC etc.

The system itself in the hands of ppl who do not need that level of accommodation(not sure how you determine that unless you are a health care specialist or psychiatrist), or any at all, leads to a less stressful and more fun experience for them. And it's a free perk. It invites abuse and ppl suck

Not denying any of that but bottom line is this. They had plenty of ways to ease the burden and the high volume that was being used and did ZERO about it… all you need to know

 

[Grantwil93]

Even if they did im pretty sure you can only have 1 ride booked no matter how many people have it in your party. Bc i have had myself and my mom and we both could not book a separate attraction and include my daughter on each of them. So multiple DAS would do nothing really

Multiple DAS allows a party of 16 to all book and go together.

GR will sometimes issue multiple DAS for large parties just for that reason. Even if someone doesn't need it. It's something that does happen with hige regularity. Which I think is a big factor in why they want to cut party size and limit it to immediate family only exceptions.

 

[Splash4eva]

What? No.

They’re saying with a limit of 4 guests total, a party of 8 would get two DAS and split into two parties of 4 so they still all get DAS instead of just getting one DAS with previous lax group sizes

Okay i see your point there but again that comes down to the fraud that imo Disney can easily sniff out

 

[Splash4eva]

Multiple DAS allows a party of 16 to all book and go together.

GR will sometimes issue multiple DAS for large parties just for that reason. Even if someone doesn't need it. It's something that does happen with hige regularity. Which I think is a big factor in why they want to cut party size and limit it to immediate family only exceptions.

Interesting maybe that is new but i know they specifically told us what we needed to do in GR before the video chats were around but ill take your word on it. Either way. Immediate family should be the ONLY exceptions to allow any large party.

 

[Grantwil93]

What? No.

They’re saying with a limit of 4 guests total, a party of 8 would get two DAS and split into two parties of 4 so they still all get DAS instead of just getting one DAS with previous lax group sizes

Yes, exactly this. And GR will issue an extra DAS to allow this depending on the situation. Usually it's to make it easier on CM'S who will deal with a large party all day trying to take more ppl with them or only jooking the 6 ppl and the there are 3 left out who need to be greenlit or sent away(not worth getting yelled at, so green light it is)

It might he surprising, bit it's incredibly common

 

[Angel Ariel]

The thing is, how do you prove it? The only way is to get medical information from employees. Which you can do, but it's not just open Season to procure whatever you want. Maybe they do have anxiety or maybe they do have condition xyz

It would be complicated to even figure out and some things they legally can't get.

The same way they're going to be making the determination for guests now. Do cast members not have to go through the same process to qualify?

And this is the whole point many here are trying to make when pointing out there will be people who legitimately qualify who will be left behind by this change.

 

[Grantwil93]

Interesting maybe that is new but i know they specifically told us what we needed to do in GR before the video chats were around but ill take your word on it. Either way. Immediate family should be the ONLY exceptions to allow any large party.

If they don't do it, lots of parties just book anyway and then show up with ppl not on the reservation and it's up to the CM at the rude to either tell the remaining 2 or more ppl they can't go or just let them in.

Happens to me a lot. And it is something that can and should have been curtailed. I'm agreeing with you that many things can be done.

 

[Splash4eva]

The same way they're going to be making the determination for guests now. Do cast members not have to go through the same process to qualify?

And this is the whole point many here are trying to make when pointing out there will be people who legitimately qualify who will be left behind by this change.

Exactly. Lets face it. Anyone who has lied who needed this will dothe same again. Those who have needs and explain why some will be denied. There is no debating that. So end of day frauds still have access & a certain amount of people who need it & will not lie will be denied

 

[lazyboy97o]

I mean, I’m not “estimating” anything here. We have pretty good information that:
1. At least 50-75 percent of people in the Lightning Lane are DAS; Source: Earlier postings in this thread by @lentesta;
2. 80-95 percent of ride capacity goes to Lightning Lanes; Source: Tons of posts by insiders about how LL’s and Genie+ work over multiple threads going back years at this point; and
3. Around 8 percent of people in the park are DAS users; Source: Again, insiders in this thread.

From there it’s pretty easy to do the math and see that at least 40-71 percent of ride capacity is being used by 8 percent of people. It’s not particularly difficult math. I understand that these numbers do not support the arguments of those defending the current system, which is why they are being ignored or dismissed .

8% of people that are with a party of four jumps you up to 32% of visitors. An average party of five gets you to 40%. We’re already in that range just based on party size.