Sirwalterraleigh
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I don’t think they have any intent to deny appropriate accommodations…
That is exactly who would need to be identified and denied
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Wendy Pleakley
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That's true, but maybe only to a point?
A high capacity attraction like Small World is one thing.
What about something that is popular with low capacity, like Peter Pan. The type of attraction that sells out of Genie+ spots early.
If Disney has to keep allowing repeat DAS spots, when the "Fastpass" line is already at "capacity", that could inflate standby wait times and infringe on the enjoyment of other guests.
Ayla
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Especially when we know the LL ratio is almost always 90 LL to 10 standby...which is freaking ridiculous.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Gomer
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I think they would have to demonstrate that re-rides specifically (not just DAS in general) were causing infringement on standard guests or restrict standby for regular guests to a single ride on those attractions as well. Otherwise they would be saying someone whose disability prohibits them from waiting in the standby line is not entitled to the same services as those without DAS. Which would most definitely be discriminatory.
I'm not a lawyer, just someone who has unfortunately been exposed to the legal system on topics like this quite frequently. So not claiming to be an expert, but I think there would be far safer ways for Disney to alter the program that wouldn't be so risky to them from a legal compliance standpoint.
Gomer
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It doesn't matter. The fact that there is a paid service that offers something similar doesn't have any bearing on DAS which is being offered as accommodation to regular standby. So that is what it would be measured against. Is Disney offering reasonable accommodation for an alternative to the generic standby experience for those who are incapable of participating in that experience.
Angel Ariel
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This. And just honestly - if anyone truly cares that DD rides Mad Tea Party 4x in a day, that's way more an issue on them. It typically has a short line (at least when we travel), and it's not one most adults like to re-ride anyway
And it's keeping her out of lines for the more popular attractions.Fido Chuckwagon
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They are. You’re doing the math wrong. We have evidence that 50-75 percent of lightning lane capacity is DAS. We also know that 80-95 percent of a rides capacity on a given day is dedicated to the lightning lane. Multiply that together and you get 40-71 percent of a rides capacity is being used by DAS users.
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Gomer
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That's the part most aren't considering here. Re-rides are usually associated with kids who have (as Disney would put it) "Autism or similar". For the most part these people aren't riding ToT all day every day. My son's fixations are Pooh and SSE. If he rides those 4 times in one day and never goes on a thrill ride, I don't think people like him are what is really causing the backup here.This. And just honestly - if anyone truly cares that DD rides Mad Tea Party 4x in a day, that's way more an issue on them. It typically has a short line (at least when we travel), and it's not one most adults like to re-ride anyway
ConfettiCupcake
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This aspect of DAS is I would think a big factor in both straight up abuse and overuse of the system. When DAS allows the user to earn their entry into the LL queue by way of a virtual wait when Genie+ users can no longer do so, that is a big motivator to either lie about needs to get a DAS but also use a DAS that was legitimately qualified for when other accommodations may be adequate - not ideal but adequate. This isn’t the fault of the DAS users as they’re only following the rules of the system they’re given, but it highlights a reason clamping down on who can actually use this is vital to keep it functioning as the alternative would be to cut off things like repeats which would open a whole other host of problems.
Chi84
Premium Member
You may be making assumptions about what Disney is legally required to provide in the first place. The ADA doesn't require that all people with disabilities, regardless of their nature, be given DAS simply because Disney determines it is an appropriate accommodation for some. (Sorry if I'm not understanding your comment)
My observation is that Disney is trying not only to prevent abuse, but also to deny DAS to persons with legitimate disabilities who can be accommodated short of receiving DAS. That's really the only explanation I can think of for why they chose to adopt the wording they did instead of requiring documentation.
Do the posted standby times not get increased as people pull DAS return times for an attraction? That is really the primary built-in limiter for using DAS. If you get a DAS for an E-Ticket, you can't get any other DAS passes until that one is used or released. (and I know people will complain that DAS users will spend their time doing other things, but assuming "legitimate" use, they'll be restricted to attractions with already lower wait-times).
In a weird scenario, say you've gone to the park on a "autism awareness" day where 90% of people are using DAS to do everything and attempt to get on an attraction. You could be the only person in the standby line, but still have an hour wait as they redeem the various DAS return times for everyone as their return times tick around. But would the posted time state 1 hour (also pushing back DAS return times), or would it state 5 minutes, using only their line lenght estimates (and also making DAS returns effectively instantaneous, increasing the issue more as their built-in DAS "cooldown" is nullified).
In a weird scenario, say you've gone to the park on a "autism awareness" day where 90% of people are using DAS to do everything and attempt to get on an attraction. You could be the only person in the standby line, but still have an hour wait as they redeem the various DAS return times for everyone as their return times tick around. But would the posted time state 1 hour (also pushing back DAS return times), or would it state 5 minutes, using only their line lenght estimates (and also making DAS returns effectively instantaneous, increasing the issue more as their built-in DAS "cooldown" is nullified).
ConfettiCupcake
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Your last paragraph is exactly what my thoughts are as well. I think choosing this route and not documentation is deliberate and points to legitimate usage being a portion of the problem being addressed as well.
Disney Glimpses
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Yeah, I think you are spot on tbh.
Dranth
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Why do people keep acting like DAS and G+ are not comparable? Yes, we know they are not the same but they are very similar and most of the time I would argue DAS is much better.
G+:
DAS:
Those are very similar with DAS looking like the more attractive option in many ways. That is not even remotely an issue when you are talking about people who can't even visit without these accommodations but that isn't what is happening. Technically I qualify for pre change DAS and that is a problem because there is ZERO reason I should be allowed into that system.
G+:
- Select a vague, maybe accurate return time that is anywhere from now to never as a ride can no longer be available, even early in the day.
- Can be used once per ride.
- Can not select another for 2 hours or until you scan into the ride.
- Can only be used on rides with G+.
- Is paid.
DAS:
- You are given a return time based on the current wait time minus 10-20 minutes set aside for travel but never “runs out”.
- Can be used as many times as you like.
- Can only have one at a time and can select another as soon as you scan into the ride.
- Get’s two preselects if approved ahead of time.
- Can be used on rides that don’t have G+.
- Is free.
Those are very similar with DAS looking like the more attractive option in many ways. That is not even remotely an issue when you are talking about people who can't even visit without these accommodations but that isn't what is happening. Technically I qualify for pre change DAS and that is a problem because there is ZERO reason I should be allowed into that system.
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Help me out here, if it is VQ and ILL how does DAS come into play?
Disney Glimpses
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Yeah, the notion that Genie+ is vastly superior to DAS and that DAS doesn't really offer much benefit is kinda nonsense.
Dis Dragon
New Member
The biggest issue with G+ is it sucks for planning, DAS is superior. Going to paid fastpasses with a designated time would be amazing.
I have no issue paying for a service that would actually accommodate scheduling without the expectation of being in the park all day to make your ride selections work.
I understand your point however with Autism and DD it is not the activity causing the issue it is a crowded, loud and long wait before the fun activity. These activities are actually exactly what many of them crave, it is a sensory input.
These individuals CANNOT control it and called ng them "unrealistic narcissism" is frankly outright rude and entitled.
RSoxNo1
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They've had similar language in place in the past. I've yet to hear even anecdotal evidence of anyone being banned.
What would be interesting is if they took the ability away from the front line cast members in the park to adjust the DAS at all. If they make it so that your only option is the online pre-registration I think that would go a long way to curbing abuse.