From a purely opportunity cost perspective, DAS is a huge advantage over Standby for long waits. I almost never ride ILLs (that are not on VQ) anymore because I refuse to pay for them and don't want to be stuck in a cattle pen that long, but if I had DAS I would ride them every time because why not?
It doesn’t prove anything.
This is where it gets very tricky, though -- if the idea is that the disabled should have a better experience because we have difficult lives otherwise, it moves it out of the realm of public accommodation and makes it more like pixie dust that Disney has no obligation to provide. This again goes back to one of my earlier posts about why the community is divided; some think the best way to keep DAS alive and well for the long term is to support it being scoped to what is necessary under public accommodation law, while others proudly post "DAS touring plans" that have them riding standby on one headliner while being in a DAS VQ for the other.
Would you have considered it preferable to the changes that were actually implemented?
I have DAS and i get what people say but there are reasons why we need it…
Ive been on record stating the changed that are being made are good ones and more than fair. Ive gone further and stated re rides need to be addressed as well… im under no illusion as a DAS user and been fair in my suggesstions. Issue is eliminating so many who need it.
Yes again you are highlighting what cheaters can do. If Disney wants to curb that. Simply tell people w DAS they cant go in a line with a longer than x wait. Im cool with that as well.
I doubt they’d have any legal issues with the re-rides
That’d be a good way to do it probably.
It also runs the risk of creating the “hardship Olympics.” Even people without disabilities have hardships that we can’t always see - maybe someone’s child died, maybe a family lost their mom and dad is just trying to cheer the kids up, maybe it’s a foster family of some severely traumatized children.
Which shouldn't be an issue forcing people to tap in at each ride…
To i guess “prove” peoples point. I have DAS and do buy Genie because rarely are there minimal wait times where you can just walk on. You can easily use both systems and be able to avoid any real down times and still have a nice pleasant “relaxing” day.
It is very tricky; you also have to wonder if consideration also needs to be about the physical and mental ability to tour the parks like a non-DAS user (ability to jump from line to line).
I think limiting re-rides could get rather tricky... my understanding is the ADA is mostly about comparable access to things (like a ramp to a main entrance).
This is actually IMHO one of the easiest "fixes" to the current DAS rules. Not allowing someone to tap into/redeem a LL while holding a DAS return time. I've argued for it many times before, but the summary of why I feel this way:
Here is the issue tho. A DAS user who wants to purchase Genie as well to help with their trip is never going to purchase it anymore under those “rules” & no way is Disney is risking people willing to pay and losing them. Now with that being said i dont know how many people do both like i do…
Very fair point... the almighty dollar is king. Can you imagine the sales they could get if DAS users weren't able to use a standby line, but could use a LL line while waiting for a DAS return time? Every DAS user would buy G+ (no one tell Bob).
It would be very helpful to know where the idea of RTQ as opposed to AQR originated. Lots of back and forth between the websites on who said what but no clarification at all.
Except there isn't widespread agreement about what the "intended benefits" are actually supposed to be... apart from how Disney is currently defining them. The reason why DAS was such an effective accommodation is the flexibility it provided to meet a WIDE variety of disability needs. This is also why it was subject to problematic *overuse* (or abuse) even from people with legitimate disabilities, b/c there were no restrictions on it's use for individuals that didn't need every aspect of it's flexibility. Eliminating one of the aspects of DAS is always going to eliminate some of the intended benefits for a specific subset of disabilities, that is just the reality of the design of it. Perhaps it would work to have different DAS passes of different design - to accommodate different needs (which I seems to be what Disney is attempting to do at the moment, though it is being implemented rather poorly.) That said, I have to wonder if a tiered DAS pass system would just lead to the same kind of disability-measuring contests that are going on in these forums currently.
