New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

Club Cooloholic

Club Cooloholic

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Angel Ariel said:
No, people have been responding to hypothetical situations people choose to post as examples of cheating where people without these disabilities have said "if this is true, then so is this" and people with disabilities have been saying it's not that clear cut.

Again, I have not been Arguing against the needed change to DAS at all. I've in fact said the exact opposite numerous times. Anyone choosing to read into it otherwise, well, thats not my responsibility 🤷‍♀️
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Maybe they didn't see this as an endorsement
Angel Ariel said:
And for those that need it, it's incredibly frustrating as the crack downs will inevitably lead to people that actually need these accommodations being denied.
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Angel Ariel

Angel Ariel

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Club Cooloholic said:
Maybe they didn't see this as an endorsement
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One can both understand and accept that changes needed to happen to the program while also acknowledging that how this is being done is going to leave behind people who have legitimate need of it. More than one thing can be true at once. I'm certainly not the only poster in this thread who has acknowledged both pieces of this puzzle.
 
Figgy1

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Basil of Baker Street said:
Sadistically speaking, Disney needs to catch some cheaters, make it national news, publish names and give lifetime bans. Do that a handful times and the DAS issue would drastically correct itself.
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Disney's legal and pr teams wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. All it would take is for one so called cheater to have a medical condition and Disney would be buried in the press
 
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C33Mom

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Figgy1 said:
Disney's legal and pr teams wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. All it would take is for one so called cheater to have a medical condition and Disney would be buried in the press
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Disney has most people’s magic band history and extensive surveillance footage…it might be risky for them to assume some people are lying/faking, but they absolutely could catch others and make an example of them with minimal risk.
 
Figgy1

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C33Mom said:
Disney has most people’s magic band history and extensive surveillance footage…it might be risky for them to assume some people are lying/faking, but they absolutely could catch others and make an example of them with minimal risk.
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I'm not sure how that would work now that das covers mostly invisible disabilities. What exactly would they be looking for
 
Basil of Baker Street

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Figgy1 said:
I'm not sure how that would work now that das covers mostly invisible disabilities. What exactly would they be looking for
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I was thinking along the lines of someone in the interview says they cant wait in a line longer than say 20 minutes and you catch them in a 90 minute line through cameras and MB tech.
 
Disstevefan1

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John park hopper said:
Does WDW have CTV cameras?
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I am sure they have all sorts of surveillance tech including cameras, undercover security and as been said, tracking magic bands and I am sure these systems are only used to keep guests safe

I honestly think they are not going to spend manpower, bandwidth, resources to police DAS.

They did the initial purge of the DAS users, they made significant changes as to who qualifies now.

Like anything where humans are involved, there WILL BE CHEATERS, they can only hope there will be LESS CHEATERS.

In my opinion there will no significant change in wait times in LL and stand by wait times.

The only significant change that they will see in my opinion, is that they will sell more Genie+ and ILLs
 
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Purduevian

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Figgy1 said:
I'm not sure how that would work now that das covers mostly invisible disabilities. What exactly would they be looking for
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I understand that for a significant portion of the DAS users and the reason that they have DAS is invisible. Wait tolerances for these individuals can vary significantly based on a variety of factors including as simple as the mood of the individual. For people that receive DAS for these reasons (and it sounds like your family falls into this bucket), it would be near impossible to distinguish a cheater from an individual that is have a good day.

However, I am confident that there are still guests that have a pretty black and white tolerances of what they can and can not handle inside a theme park. For those guests it should be pretty easy to find cheaters that got DAS through this method if Disney wanted to.

For Disney to follow through it would have to be extremely obvious from the DAS call that an individual said something like "Due to X I cannot ever do Y" then they have footage of the person doing Y.

There are a lot of arguments I see (mostly political so I won't get into them) that say well we can't catch/stop everyone doing this bad thing, so we shouldn't do anything to stop it. However, as someone earlier in this thread mentioned a few key life time bans could stop a lot more people lying in fear they would get caught.
 
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John park hopper

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It's truly unfortunate that we have 357 pages on DAS abuse because some people suck and abuse the system for their own gain.
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Put abusers in stockades in Frontierland for a few hours (sarcasm)
 
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natatomic

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KrzyKtty said:
What story?
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My theory - and it’s only a theory - is that APs and CMs have a higher rate of DAS use than day guests.
Visitors who are here just once every few years just sort of add the G+ to their budget and make it work. APs and CMs who visit every week might have a harder time justifying the additional cost EVERY visit, but they also don’t want to wait in the standby line EVERY time either.

Granted, I fully acknowledge that even if we have the percentages, it won’t “prove” anything. Maybe, by random chance, all these locals just happen to have a higher rate of disability. But regardless…it’s interesting how the days that APs are blocked out, the lines don’t seem as long. Or at least that seems to be the case the last few weeks.
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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John park hopper said:
It's truly unfortunate that we have 357 pages on DAS abuse because some people suck and abuse the system for their own gain. View attachment 789812Put abusers in stockades in Frontierland for a few hours (sarcasm)
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I would honestly be surprised if this was the whole story though. Yes I am sure there was abuse of the system, and yes absolutely people suck. But it would not surprise me if the system itself was being impacted from too much "proper" use.

As attendance has grown, and as awareness and treatment of many types of disabilities has increased (which in my mind is a good thing) the use of DAS has increased. As use of the program increases, including not just individuals who need the accommodation, but other members of their traveling party as well, i suspect (guess) (although if I Disney i wouldn't highlight it) that the system was being effected not just by abuse, but also but just the shear number of people, who under the past system, were validly using it. Which is why it would make sense that under a new system, less people are qualifying than were before. It's not just weeding out people who were gaming the system or cheating, its also to functionally limit the intended group of people who are qualifying.

Now that doesn't mean that you don't provide some form or reasonable accommodation to people that need it. But what it would mean is you have to be more targeted in what that accommodation is, trying to limit it to what is needed/required, and not what might be the largest/best accommodation possible.
 

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