Disstevefan1
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We are all fighting about DAS, meanwhile, running rides at partial capacity is a HUGE problem and is 100 percent Disney's doing in order to save costs.
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New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024
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Splash4eva
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Nope easy to blame people with disabilities and berate them instead of dare i say criticize the Mouse
I still have my actual card from those trips in the early 2000s. Ironically it was a better system.
I honestly had no idea Peoplemover had a DAS option. Just never saw it on the list, and always waited in the line assuming it wasn't ridiculously long.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Well it's not just me that thought this, clearly Disney did as well.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Lot to unpack there. Disney is doing just fine attendance-wise. This forum represents a small sliver of superfans who will always find something to dislike about WDW, but everyone I know who casually goes to WDW still loves it. And this statement:
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Vacationeer
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- In the Parks
- No
Yep. WDW likes it because it pushes even more people to buy the paid events, further exacerbating the issue fo day guests. Rinse and repeat. It’s like their secret sauce has become making things hard for guests so they’ll pay more money and per capita spending increases. Profits are nice but there’s not endless dials of increased spending and reducing experience. They own some responsibility in why G+ is dysfunctional.
ditzee
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"Disney is doing fine attendance-wise." At some point if guest satisfaction is not made a priority, that will no longer be true.
The parks are the earnings star:
"If ever there was a business which has found the magic formula for making profits it is Disney's theme park division. Last year alone it generated 69.6% of the media giant's $12.9 billion operating income on just 36.6% of the revenue.Apr 13, 2024"
Make Disney earn your park dollars.
el_super
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Yes DAS was broken, and most likely still is. Yes the systems that came before it were broken too. It's easier for me to accept a broken system that let through a few scofflaws, than accepting fixes that potentially turn away people that genuinely need assistance for access.
Making access harder for everyone, including those that genuinely need it, isn't worth the hassle.
ConfettiCupcake
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For me it’s all about being realistic. I’d love for them to go back to the hours of 15-20 years ago, I’d love them to knock it off with the up charges, and I’d love them to run the parks at full capacity not just as little as they can get away with. I know that isn’t happening.
In the scope of this conversation I’m not ignoring all those major contributors to the crowded feel, nor am I defending Disney, rather I’m just pointing out what I feel is pretty obvious - that Disney saw DAS as it was as a problem when it came to the LL and their G+ program. DAS is certainly not the reason touring is how it is.
el_super
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To them: it's a compromise. They know the park experience suffers when there are too many people in the park, but their one option to control demand (price increases) is furiously rebuffed by their audience. The somewhat nonsensical, counter intuitive dilemma they are in, is that a large portion of their audience will accept long lines and fewer attractions, as long as they are guaranteed to be paying the least amount for entry. They are in direct competition with the people who would rather pay more for a better experience.
Hence the compromise.
Disstevefan1
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Agreed. Disney now wants most of the folks who previously qualified for DAS to now PAY for G+ and ILL.
TrainsOfDisney
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Raising prices is not about controlling demand - they are pretty much at the limit of what they can charge right now and based on attendance in Florida - they may have reached that limit.
You don’t close attractions, end live entertainment, close food options, and limit hours of the park because you have too much demand.
Disstevefan1
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Wait till EPIC opens. You ain't seen nothin' yet!
ditzee
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I can remember when people said Disney would charge for an FP like experience and when it was said that Disney would allow more benefits depending upon Disney resort level stay. Others were outraged because Disney would never do anything like that. There were very heated discussions. Where are we now? Disney doesn't have a limit. Any limits would have to be set by guests who refuse to spend their vacation money at Disney. The resorts charge outrageous prices for beautiful lobbies and mediocre rooms but people, including me, have paid those prices.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
I respectfully disagree. You fail to take into account the impact unplanned Das users have on the ll/ill ratios at merge.
Chip Chipperson
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The spirit of the service is that it is available to use when you NEED it, not simply because it is available. It is never just 1 person doing something like that, so the argument that it doesn't impact wait times for others ignores the scale of the many users who do it and the fact that most parkgoers aren't solo travelers. Those users are still in 2 lines at once or taking up a line spot while doing something else (bathroom break, getting a snack or QS meal, etc.), which is something the non-DAS guests can't do. Doing that when you don't need to is absolutely taking advantage of the service. There is no justification for it. If the answer to the question "Do I need DAS to ride this attraction right now?" is "No," then the answer to the question "SHOULD I use DAS for this attraction right now?" is also "No."
Purduevian
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Regarding all the math from a few pages back... I think these are the relevant post (thank you Len):
Lens counting at HM they counted 1,750 people enter the LL in an hour, they also know that ~300 of those are G+ so but this count ~82% of the LL for HM was DAS, Golden Oak, or Rider Swap.
Apparently Len has gotten some confirmation that his numbers are close if not a little low.
Finally official word from Disney... but it's all outdated that GAC was 3.3% of people, but could take up to 30% of TSMM capacity. Also DAS has Tripled in the past 5 years (which I can't find the number but I think Len said this was also low.
So if we combine this data. 3.3%*3= 9.9% minimum now probably have DAS. Also they are taking ~80% of the HM LL in any given hour. I think these are probably conservative numbers to use when trying to look at the effect these DAS changes will have on the Standby and or LL queues.
What I can't see much evidence on (and would be very helpful for our hypotheticals) is average Standby vs LL ratio and the average party size at WDW. @lentesta any help on those 2 numbers?
Lens counting at HM they counted 1,750 people enter the LL in an hour, they also know that ~300 of those are G+ so but this count ~82% of the LL for HM was DAS, Golden Oak, or Rider Swap.
Apparently Len has gotten some confirmation that his numbers are close if not a little low.
Finally official word from Disney... but it's all outdated that GAC was 3.3% of people, but could take up to 30% of TSMM capacity. Also DAS has Tripled in the past 5 years (which I can't find the number but I think Len said this was also low.
So if we combine this data. 3.3%*3= 9.9% minimum now probably have DAS. Also they are taking ~80% of the HM LL in any given hour. I think these are probably conservative numbers to use when trying to look at the effect these DAS changes will have on the Standby and or LL queues.
What I can't see much evidence on (and would be very helpful for our hypotheticals) is average Standby vs LL ratio and the average party size at WDW. @lentesta any help on those 2 numbers?
TrainsOfDisney
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That was always a tricky fact since TSMM was the only family ride at the park at that time. The MK attractions quoted had 11% and 13% - which would be about right if 3.3% of guests had GAC and the average party size was 3.
Purduevian
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Also with how GAC vs DAS works, it was so much easier for families to just re-ride TSMM back to back without issues. I think the important number from that post is that back when there was "3.3% of guests at Disney used a GAC pass" the think I don't know is does that mean 3.3% of guest were the disabled person or does the 3.3% include their entire party...
RamblinWreck
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This is not at all relevant to the discussion but, if I had access to GAC when TSMM came out, I think my arm would have fallen off