New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

[DisneyHead123]

70% of a rides capacity is going to DAS guests according to our insiders. If 90% of a rides capacity goes to LL DAS is 78% of the LL. I used 80% to make the math easier.

I believe it was clarified that was only for LL capacity on the “hottest” rides though. I don’t think there’s data on average or less popular rides.

 

[Touchdown]

I believe it was clarified that was only for the “hottest” rides though. I don’t think there’s data on an average or less popular rides.

I believe this was based on waiting outside HM, a perennial favorite for sure but far from the “hottest” ride.

 

[RamblinWreck]

I believe it was clarified that was only for LL capacity on the “hottest” rides though. I don’t think there’s data on average or less popular rides.

I bet the DAS users were the majority of the capacity on those as well.

While they were waiting for their time to enter the lightning lane, they had time to enjoy those other rides. Any standby guest who wanted to experience a popular attraction doesn't have time for such things.

 

[DisneyCane]

This could be totally fake news, but I saw on YouTube a story about a long running third party tour guide who asked, and apparently got permission, from Disney to operate and over the years built a business, and all at once was trespassed.

This tour guide apparently played by the rules, never skipped and queues, did exactly what a regular guest would do, just did it for the guests that employed them.

But yes, in your view, and now in Disney's view, suddenly, this business is not allowed to serve their customers.

I get it, Now that the failed Genie+ system in place, Disney's tour guides CAN MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY and they don't want the these long running businesses (that costs less) cutting into Disney's business.

Remember, its all about MONEY.

There is very little chance this is true and approximately a zero chance if the guide didn't pay Disney a fee. Why would Disney ever give permission? They sell their own tours so it's not like somebody offering something that Disney didn't offer. Vail resorts prohibit ski/snowboard instructors that aren't part of their Ski and Snowboard School. It's the same thing with Disney. They own the business and all revenue earned on property is either directly earned by them or indirectly earned by leasing space.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

Yea i guess when they stopped those groups. I didnt realize it was DAS related. Thought they just stopped allowing 3rd party to operate and make money in their parks…

I thought I recalled them to be using DAS. I could be mistaken though

 

[DisneyCane]

I have always said Disney wins again, but in this case I think I am wrong.

I hope Disney is making enough from the additional Genie+ sales to pay THE LAWYERS!

The LAWYERS ALWAYS WIN!!!!

Disney has in house lawyers that are paid a salary. Giving them something to do gives Disney more value for their money.
Of course, they'll use outside counsel for major lawsuits if they need to.

 

[flynnibus]

There is very little chance this is true and approximately a zero chance if the guide didn't pay Disney a fee. Why would Disney ever give permission?

more than likely the classic example of "I got permission from the people I talked to" - but those people aren't the real decision makers or final say. AKA front line management and not business line management.

 

[DisneyCane]

more than likely the classic example of "I got permission from the people I talked to" - but those people aren't the real decision makers or final say. AKA front line management and not business line management.

Or they talked to a random CM at the entrance and decided that they got permission "from Disney."

 

[Disstevefan1]

Disney has in house lawyers that are paid a salary. Giving them something to do gives Disney more value for their money.
Of course, they'll use outside counsel for major lawsuits if they need to.

As I said, the LAWERS ALWAYS WIN

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I don't know how much things will improve, if at all, but the system really does feel broken. When we last went, it took us over 45 minutes to move about 15 feet in the Frozen queue, with multiple 10+ minute stops. My daughter, who complains about *nothing* and *no one*, and finds every waking moment at Disney to be pure bliss, finally started to get frustrated. I was wishing the LL was out of sight, because groups were running past and laughing.

Man, I hate Genie+. At least if it were all DAS, I could just tell her that it's people with disabilities, many of which are invisible. But instead we're sitting on a dirty floor and wondering, did the ride go down? No, because those people still seem to be moving? Boy, they seem happy...

It's really not G+ users though. On a ride like Frozen the huge majority of people you saw running past you laughing in the lightning lane were DAS users, based on the numbers posted by insiders.

 

[Disstevefan1]

There is very little chance this is true and approximately a zero chance if the guide didn't pay Disney a fee. Why would Disney ever give permission? They sell their own tours so it's not like somebody offering something that Disney didn't offer. Vail resorts prohibit ski/snowboard instructors that aren't part of their Ski and Snowboard School. It's the same thing with Disney. They own the business and all revenue earned on property is either directly earned by them or indirectly earned by leasing space.

I guess its totally fake news then. Disney still wins.

 

[Trauma]

Very happy to be wrong on this. Lets see what happens.

I think at first you will be wrong. Everyone on this thread will claim it worked, just like they said it would.

But give it a few months for word to spread, the new way to cheat will arise.

See Disney’s threat to ban people is a complete paper tiger and everyone knows it.

The cheaters will be back en-masse.

But hey at least some disabled people got the shaft in the process!

That’s reason to celebrate apparently.

 

[MaximumEd]

How many exactly is it?

Based on reputable statisticians here and the fact that Disney is revamping the system, it’s a lot. I don’t get how this is so hard for you to understand after 170 pages that give ample evidence and many first hand accounts.

 

[StarBright]

I guess its totally fake news then. Disney still wins.

Yey!

 

[StarBright]

Based on reputable statisticians here and the fact that Disney is revamping the system, it’s a lot. I don’t get how this is so hard for you to understand after 170 pages that give ample evidence and many first hand accounts.

When confronted with evidence that goes against what they want to hear some folks simply cover their ears, go "la la la la la" and reboot the conversation hoping for a dif answer.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

How would this even work?

The DAS user has to go on the ride with them.

The "tour guide" is/was physically in the park with them and using DAS to book the rides for the entire group (including the guide themselves). This is why some of them were recently stopped at the front gates when tapping in and notified that they have been banned from the parks.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The "tour guide" is/was physically in the park with them and using DAS to book the rides for the entire group (including the guide themselves). This is why some of them were recently stopped at the front gates when tapping in and notified that they have been banned from the parks.

These "tour guides" were all trespassed. This was real abuse.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

She told the video chat people she needed it because she couldn’t stand a long time. Then when she was upset she called the News and told them it was preposterous because she also couldn’t sit for long.

I would guess that GS gave it to her in the park because she shared both bits with them. Not because she caused a scene and they caved

I feel bad for the woman, but her argument really doesn't make sense. She's not required to sit in the chair all day. It is an available option that she can get in and out of as needed if a queue is longer than she can stand or sit. What length of time does her doctor consider an "extended period" to be sitting? To me, her case is one that could be accommodated without using DAS to obtain return times, based on what information was shared.

 

[el_super]

Based on reputable statisticians here and the fact that Disney is revamping the system, it’s a lot. I don’t get how this is so hard for you to understand after 170 pages that give ample evidence and many first hand accounts.

Maybe if I type slower....

Proof that a lot of people are utilizing DAS is not proof of abuse. Saying that 8% of guests are taking up 70% of capacity, is not proof of abuse.

Of the two general forms of abuse being discussed here:

No one knows how many people request DAS actually need it versus do not. Disney cannot ask for or store medical records to know how many people have a need backed up by a professional opinion versus do not. Let alone anyone on this website.

As far as standby queue abuse goes, no one has claimed to know how many people issued DAS are entering standby queues. Disney *might* have an idea if they are using magicband tracking to find out who is where in the park at any particular point, but even that data would be widely prone to error.

So when people start making outrageous claims about all the abuse (somehow implying that DAS users at large are all liars and cheats) it seems fair to just ask ... what is that number?

 

[RamblinWreck]

I feel bad for the woman, but her argument really doesn't make sense. She's not required to sit in the chair all day. It is an available option that she can get in and out of as needed if a queue is longer than she can stand or sit. What length of time does her doctor consider an "extended period" to be sitting? To me, her case is one that could be accommodated without using DAS to obtain return times, based on what information was shared.

Still I’d rather her be on DAS than all the people who walk up to the blue umbrellas and just say they have anxiety.