New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
They are also trying to avoid enraging standby guests. Ever stood in line in a normal moving queue only to be >100 people from merge only to stop moving for over 30 min, and then only start moving one party every 10 min? I have on Big Thunder, HM, Space, Mermaid, Frozen, Rat, Cosmic Rewind, Mickey, ToT, RnRC, Rise, Falcon, TSMM, Slinky. Nothing mechanically wrong with the ride, nor has it been down recently, it’s because the LL queue is out the door (you can see it on most rides) and there is no way Disney wants or plans for that. G+ doesn’t cause that, VIP doesn’t cause that (they actively avoid long LL queues) only one LL user left to blame.
Accommodations have to be viewed in terms of how they impact the business’s ability to provide goods/services to guests.

From an operational standpoint, and a physical queuing standpoint, the current DAS scheme completely overwhelms everything as designed. This is why these proposed changes, if they truly cut back on DAS usage, will likely be defensible.
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
I did before joining the forum and commenting. It seemed polite instead of asking for a recap of what's been said for 160 pages.

I mean, asking for a recap would have been more productive than making a comment without seemingly being aware what has been and is being discussed. Or even seemingly reading the updated policy before commenting.
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
I don't know the details of the system. I didn't design it. But DAS return times appear to be in the same system as LL/Genie+. Maybe Disney should bump wait times higher based on the known number of riders that are returning in that timeframe.
That was my initial reaction as well. I believe the issue is that DAS users have an hour long window, and Disney has no way of knowing when in that window they will return. Even if they give them a longer overall wait time, when they do return, a large amount of users could end up clustered together. Then those users all need to be boarded fairly quickly, in addition to Genie+ users, which causes a backup.
 
I did before joining the forum and commenting. It seemed polite instead of asking for a recap of what's been said for 160 pages.
Sure, if I was asking for a recap of 160 pages. I asked for two simple responses. That's all. Sorry I don't have the time to spend every minute of every day here making sure to stay up to date and read every message on every thread. It's a shame some people can't seem to understand that not everyone is like them.
 
That was my initial reaction as well. I believe the issue is that DAS users have an hour long window, and Disney has no way of knowing when in that window they will return. Even if they give them a longer overall wait time, when they do return, a large amount of users could end up clustered together. Then those users all need to be boarded fairly quickly, in addition to Genie+ users, which causes a backup.
Yeah that's a good point. I think most of the time the DAS users return pretty sporadically, with of course some larger influxes here and there, but I wouldn't know that of course. Thanks for responding with a thought to further the conversation.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
I think it’s more likely that the people who no longer qualify for DAS will be accommodated in other ways that will allow them to keep going. Maybe not DAS, but I’m optimistic Disney has a plan/process flow
I love your optimism! I hope you are right and I am wrong. I have lost faith in TWDC. I expect the worst and hope for the best.

Hope is what is left when there is nothing else.
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
That was my initial reaction as well. I believe the issue is that DAS users have an hour long window, and Disney has no way of knowing when in that window they will return. Even if they give them a longer overall wait time, when they do return, a large amount of users could end up clustered together. Then those users all need to be boarded fairly quickly, in addition to Genie+ users, which causes a backup.

DAS users can return at ANY time after the return time, before park close. Not an hour window.

So i could get a return time for 10:13 am and then show up at 8:37 pm and use it
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
DAS users can return at ANY time after the return time, before park close. Not an hour window.

So i could get a return time for 10:13 am and then show up at 8:37 pm and use it
So is it theoretically possible a DAS user could be in upwards of a half dozen or so virtual lines at once?
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
DAS users can return at ANY time after the return time, before park close. Not an hour window.

So i could get a return time for 10:13 am and then show up at 8:37 pm and use it
I had no idea it was that long, thanks! Not sure where I heard an hour but that’s what I always thought it was. That does seem pretty unmanageable in terms of trying to mesh DAS with Genie then.
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
I had no idea it was that long, thanks! Not sure where I heard an hour but that’s what I always thought it was. That does seem pretty unmanageable in terms of trying to mesh DAS with Genie then.

Yeah. Think of it like if the ride was down and the queue got dumped. All those people would be given an any time fast pass and Disney would know that they will come back that day but not when.
 
See, now you know that posters here are taking the matter seriously and respectfully and certainly don’t need to hear, “How dare we disabled people get in the way of anyone else’s fun?” That adds nothing of value to the discussion.
Actually it does. The poster's message (the way I read it at least), was a complaint that DAS users are slowing down the standby queues. Believe me, I wish I didn't have an issue that makes DAS necessary for me...
 

DryerLintFan

Premium Member
Actually it does. The poster's message (the way I read it at least), was a complaint that DAS users are slowing down the standby queues. Believe me, I wish I didn't have an issue that makes DAS necessary for me...

But within the thread there’s evidence that the statement is true. Verified. And even without having hard numbers, Disney has numbers that presumably inform their actions.

So throughout the thread that statement has been pretty much proven. DAS parties ARE slowing everything down
 
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But within the thread there’s evidence that the statement is true. Verified. AB’s even without having hard numbers, Disney has numbers that presumably inform their actions.

So throughout the thread that statement has been pretty much proven. DAS parties ARE slowing everything down
Of course they are. So are people who buy Genie+. So are standby riders. Anyone in line for any reason is. I'm not sure why that means that people like myself who don't have obvious or visual disabilities, but need DAS, have to "suffer"? I'm not sure I understand why they couldn't just enforce the return times. It would be pretty much the same as if DAS users stood in line.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
But within the thread there’s evidence that the statement is true. Verified. And even without having hard numbers, Disney has numbers that presumably inform their actions.

So throughout the thread that statement has been pretty much proven. DAS parties ARE slowing everything down
But after the new system is in place, THE SAME (slow??) PEOPLE will be in the SAME lighting lane queue, the only difference is they will be paying for Genie+ instead of using DAS.

In my opinion, there will be only a small fraction of people that will give up on WDW because they cant use DAS.
 

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