News New Changes Coming to the Disney Look 2021

[Tony the Tigger]

And I’m not sure what society has to do with this?

Then you're not following the thread. You seem to be reading into things what isn't there fairly routinely.

ETA: in the context of raises outside the standard, the burden is to show increased revenue, not just any revenue at all.

I already said I gave up in response to one of your posts. Please stop.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Do you know why things from China are cheaper? Labor costs. They pay enourmous amounts for shipping containers of goods because the goods cost that much less due to low labor costs.

And why are the labor costs so low in china? Might want to rethink that argument.

 

[John park hopper]

We can all applaud that as we pay triple for everything.

Do you know why things from China are cheaper? Labor costs. They pay enormous amounts for shipping containers of goods because the goods cost that much less due to low labor costs. (No, I am not advocating for sweatshops, I'm saying how it is.)

Payroll is the single largest controllable expense.

We will all pay much more for everything, just for everyone to feel better and all be in the exact same boat.

china does not have to deal with OSHA, EPA, HR, lawyers--workers can be replaced without cause

 

[Lilofan]

china does not have to deal with OSHA, EPA, HR, lawyers--workers can be replaced without cause

No surprise why DCL and other cruise lines are foreign registered.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Bring it to the attention of the corporation, and they'll likely remedy the situation if they are truly "pointless."

So here's the thing. I am open to the idea that the corporate world we see parodied in Office Space and Dilbert is just a harmful stereotype and everyone making a nice white collar salary adds a pretty tangible 6 figures worth of value to their company. But I am quite skeptical. Google "bull jobs" and you'll see this isn't just some idea I made up - others who have looked into it feel similarly.

Edit: Message was partially caught in the filter so might not make sense. The term I was trying to convey is more… uh… colorful… than “bull”. Or Google David Graeber.

 

[el_super]

It's not extra responsibility. It's required at the time of hiring. Furthermore, it's been relaxed, so it's the opposite of "added" responsibility. It's less.

So are you happy with the current state of Disney Look? You don't think anything additional is required from the point it is at today? The level of regulation and enforcement is perfect as it is today?

We can all applaud that as we pay triple for everything.

Yeah - exactly the point. It will cost more to enforce adherence to Disney Look. Either in the increases in labor acquisition (hiring and training) or in enforcement (new positions) or both.

So what is the value to society in preventing CMs from having pink hair? Are the guests willing to pay more for that? Probably not.

 

[mkt]

The truth is, this is changing. We have lots of college kids graduating with graphic design and advertising degrees but nobody willing to drive a truck. Hence many UPS drivers making over $100k a year.

With social Media and reviews - good customer service, maintenance and cleanliness will be more and more valuable to companies.

Those are REALLY specific degrees that in a capitalist system - like the one we have in the US - are effectively sales support positions that help drive business (in a non-capitalist system, the same skillset gets redirected for propaganda)

Unfortunately they're an intangible as they don't specifically generate revenue, but instead drive potential customers to departments that specifically generate revenue.

As a leadership creative professional, one of my constant projects has been teaching my direct reports to quantify the market value of the work they create in order to justify their raises. I want to give them their raises, but I have accountant types above me who need numbers.

 

[Lilofan]

Just think how much things will be different in 10 years when ai and automation takes over so many jobs. It's gonna get interesting

AI & automation but if not when like you touched on. Reuters was reporting in 2023 that TWDC was hiring a few incoming cast with artificial intelligence exp to look into all aspects of company including parks and resorts.

 

[Vacationeer]

We can all applaud that as we pay triple for everything.

Do you know why things from China are cheaper? Labor costs. They pay enormous amounts for shipping containers of goods because the goods cost that much less due to low labor costs. (No, I am not advocating for sweatshops, I'm saying how it is.)

Payroll is the single largest controllable expense.

We will all pay much more for everything, just for everyone to feel better and all be in the exact same boat.

I‘m not seeing things get cheaper when wage costs are lowered. Do we as consumers generally see that? No.

Prices are usually what the market will bear. It’s the profit margin that changes.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

So are you happy with the current state of Disney Look? You don't think anything additional is required from the point it is at today? The level of regulation and enforcement is perfect as it is today?

I don’t care one way or the other. That’s up to Disney.

But if they change standards in either direction, that’s no reason for a raise. That’s a basic expectation for you to follow the dress code at any job.

I feel like many of these arguments are implying that we have to play reverse psychology on people in order to get them to do what is desired of them. No, these things are laid out at the time of hiring, and either you accept them and accept the pay and accept the job and do your best, or you don’t, and you keep looking until you find something else that fits your set of standards.

As always, when employers feel the pinch, they will necessarily have to give something, that’s the name of the game. And unemployment is exceptionally low right now. When unemployment goes up again, the tables will turn, per usual. People have to eat. We all don’t have the luxury of being so picky or deciding not to work for awhile.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I‘m not seeing things get cheaper when wage costs are lowered. Do we as consumers generally see that? No.

Prices are usually what the market will bear. It’s the profit margin that changes.

Demonstrate factual, lowered wage costs. Not guesses.

 

[Lilofan]

The truth is, this is changing. We have lots of college kids graduating with graphic design and advertising degrees but nobody willing to drive a truck. Hence many UPS drivers making over $100k a year.

With social Media and reviews - good customer service, maintenance and cleanliness will be more and more valuable to companies.

Reviews are more everything to some companies staff. It is not just the company. How many times I’ve been told directly by the car dealer staff in service to rate them a 5 with comments since it ties into their compensation . Uber drivers tell me to rate them high also. The list goes on.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

As a leadership creative professional, one of my constant projects has been teaching my direct reports to quantify the market value of the work they create in order to justify their raises. I want to give them their raises, but I have accountant types above me who need numbers.

They shouldn’t get raises! They agreed to the job for the price and that’s that. If they want more money they need to improve themselves and get a better job.

Is that how this works? Haha.

 

[Lilofan]

They shouldn’t get raises! They agreed to the job for the price and that’s that. If they want more money they need to improve themselves and get a better job.

Is that how this works? Haha.

Anyone who wants to earn more money takes this route or work OT in current job. That’s logic 101.

 

[flynnibus]

They shouldn’t get raises! They agreed to the job for the price and that’s that. If they want more money they need to improve themselves and get a better job.

Is that how this works? Haha.

Yes - once you top out what a role pays.

Your hyperbolic attempts miss that most jobs have a range of pay. Because there is such a thing as degreses of value in roles. You can be a new hire at grade 1, and maybe the job has three more grades of it, each with better pay. But eventually, that job tops out. And when it does, yes, if you want to keep getting raises beyond COLA type stuff you will need to change jobs.

I am constantly amazed at how people in this country manage to function at times...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Your hyperbolic attempts miss that most jobs have a range of pay.

I understand that, I just don’t necessarily agree with it.

 

[flynnibus]

I understand that, I just don’t necessarily agree with it.

Well, how many businesses have you been responsible to keep afloat?

 

[_caleb]

Yes - once you top out what a role pays.

Your hyperbolic attempts miss that most jobs have a range of pay. Because there is such a thing as degreses of value in roles. You can be a new hire at grade 1, and maybe the job has three more grades of it, each with better pay. But eventually, that job tops out. And when it does, yes, if you want to keep getting raises beyond COLA type stuff you will need to change jobs.

I am constantly amazed at how people in this country manage to function at times...

LOL, as if a job’s value is static and unchanging?

Jobs are graded as an employer determines the value of a job to the business at that time. The grading must also be competitive at that time, or they’ll likely have difficulty finding good workers to take the job.

But over time, the value of that job to the company and the market value of labor is likely to increase, while the worker’s track record of doing enough to keep the job raises her value to the business This makes it necessary to re-negotiate the terms of employment and grading of the job or risk losing trained and productive workers.

 

[flynnibus]

LOL, as if a job’s value is static and unchanging?

Jobs are graded as an employer determines the value of a job to the business at that time. The grading must also be competitive at that time, or they’ll likely have difficulty finding good workers to take the job.

You're agreeing with me without even knowing it. You've just said.. the employer assesses the value of THE JOB - not the individual.

If you want more money than the job is deemed worth paying - you'll need to find another job. Where as trains struggles to accept that you can't just keep doing the same job forever and expect an employer to keep giving you raises to increase your buying power.

But over time, the value of that job to the company and the market value of labor is likely to increase, while the worker’s track record of doing enough to keep the job raises her value to the business This makes it necessary to re-negotiate the terms of employment and grading of the job or risk losing trained and productive workers.

You're mixing things together to suit your purpose. The 'value of that job to the company' isn't likely to change.. it's structural. Then you mix in 'the market value of labor is likely to increase' - which is a relative factor not really tied to the job at all. This is mixing entirely different concepts. And besides, the 'market value of labor' tends to go down over time as the job becomes more commodity, or is replaced by progress/tech... inflationary pressures over time can not be intermixed with the idea the job somehow gets more valuable to the business.

A dishwasher is still a dishwasher... and overtime you will likely need less of them as technology improves and you find it's more affordable to replace that labor... reducing the # of them in the market.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Where as trains struggles to accept that you can't just keep doing the same job forever and expect an employer to keep giving you raises to increase your buying power.

Not exactly. This is a bit of a complex subject and multiple posters are going different ways with it.