Nemo ruined it! Bring back hydrolators!

Lewis Carroll

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A beach for a queue? What's up with that? EPCOT is about education. And I'm sorry, I didn't learn anything in the queue. Last time I checked, a beach had nothing to do with what's underwater. Are they just brain-dead?

Bring back the old dive suits! Bring back the faded posters and black-and-white photos showing early diving pioneers. That was some exciting, INTERESTING stuff! And talk about a showcase of Imagineering's storytelling ability! In the original Living Seas queue, visitors really felt like they were in an under-funded museum of oceanography history.

I haven't been on the ride yet but I have to say that I am disappointed that they redid the queue. I thought it was always cool that when you walk in you see all this cool oceanography gear and stuff. It was actually my favorite part of the pavillion back in the day.
 

Madison

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Ha....poke fun if you want....but there is simply no denying it......Future world has effectively been dismantled through the rehab of pavilions such as The Living Seas. Future World should be renamed because the glue holding the attractions togather (concepts promoting progress, peace, conservation, ect...) have been replaced by unrelated rides and arcades. Who cares if pixar is popular....when did education and imagaination become unpopular?

I've got your back here.

Y'all can poke fun all you'd like, but I spend most of my time working toward practically the opposite of what was apparently achieved by this Nemo overlay to The Living Seas pavilion. The problem we have these days as a culture is that we undervalue the importance and value inherent in engaging our youth in the sciences. We make entertainment paramount over education and suffer for it in the end when every successive generation thinks better of actors and football players than it does of people working tirelessly and thanklessly to cure disease, make crops heartier, or make our planet healthier.

Epcot was an oasis that, from its inception, has always focused upon presenting exactly how valuable the contributions of these people have been through the years and provided, through the magic of the Disney way, fascinating, overwhelming experiences that immersed its visitors in the possibilities of the future. Perhaps because of my perspective I am among the minority, but emerging into the starfield at the top of Spaceship Earth with its giant projection of Earth does more to inspire me to want to go into space than any ride on Mission: SPACE ever can. It's visceral in a different, more effective way.

The popularity of characters from Nemo or from Monsters, Inc. offers the folks at WDI a fantastic opportunity to understand and respond to the existing cultural climate that ensures that most of the kids visiting the park won't give a second thought to anything that doesn't appeal to their MTV-cultivated attention spans. These characters can act as a gateway and filter for some engaging material; opening the door to many new questions and adventures. Instead, as seems to be the case with Nemo -- and was the case before even with rides like Test Track, Soarin' and Mission: SPACE -- these new experiences that appeal to a new generation are satisfied to begin and end with themselves. They have no ambition to be anything more than they are -- simple rides with simple stories -- and they abandon all hope of showing these kids (and some adults, too, for that matter) that there are still many great, fascinating mysteries of the world that, if solved, could make their lives and the lives of their neighbor, brother, teacher... better.

I miss that Epcot.
 

CelticRose

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I hear where you are coming from. It sickens me to see children running up to the Clown Fish tanks and yelling, "Look mommy! Its NEMO!!!"

Think of it, a decades worth of children growing up thinking it is called a "Nemo Fish" when it would be far more inspiring to see them calling it by its true scientific name: "Look mommy! Its an Amphiprion percula!!!" and adding, "And did you know mommy, Anemonefishes are protected from the anemones stinging cells by their mucus. They are protandrous hermaphrodites (mature as males, reverse later and become breeding females). Eggs are laid near or under the anemone and tended and protected by the male. They feed on zooplankton and algae...

Isn't that interesting mommy!?!?!"

I love it!!! keep up the good work Teebin.

I think the pavilion needed a little updating, last time we were there was 99 and then pavilion was empty, now with the Nemo influence it will be packed. SO can I get my fastpass now?
 
I haven't been on the ride yet but I have to say that I am disappointed that they redid the queue. I thought it was always cool that when you walk in you see all this cool oceanography gear and stuff. It was actually my favorite part of the pavillion back in the day.

The new queue is absolutely gorgeous. Honestly. I never got to see the old queue, but I don't see how it could have possibly been better than what it is now!
 

Lewis Carroll

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The new queue is absolutely gorgeous. Honestly. I never got to see the old queue, but I don't see how it could have possibly been better than what it is now!

But you said it right there...you never saw the old queue. Therefore, you have no basis for comparision. You are exactly what Disney wants..someone with no expectations..so they can continue to lower there standards and infuse the parks with blatant commercialism.
 

TarzanRocked99-

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I have seen both, enjoyed both. The que is well done and it was nice that they encorporated a story into it. Maybe not as effective as the Hydrolaters, but they didn't take the cheap way out on this one and I appreciate that.
 

wannab@dis

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But you said it right there...you never saw the old queue. Therefore, you have no basis for comparision. You are exactly what Disney wants..someone with no expectations..so they can continue to lower there standards and infuse the parks with blatant commercialism.
And, as you posted earlier, you haven't seen the new queue! :wave:


It didn't take long for the naysayers to arrive. :rolleyes:

By the way... read up a little on Disney history. That "blatent commericialism" has been there since Disneyland opened. Many attractions, even entire lands, were based on movies and television series. Walt himself went out and found dozens of sponsors for everything he could... even right down to the snack stands. ;)
 
But you said it right there...you never saw the old queue. Therefore, you have no basis for comparision. You are exactly what Disney wants..someone with no expectations..so they can continue to lower there standards and infuse the parks with blatant commercialism.

Just because I'd never seen the old queue doesn't mean I had no expectations. I've seen good queues, I've seen bad queues, and I've seen absolutely awful queues. This was a good queue...
 

kcnole

Well-Known Member
But you said it right there...you never saw the old queue. Therefore, you have no basis for comparision. You are exactly what Disney wants..someone with no expectations..so they can continue to lower there standards and infuse the parks with blatant commercialism.

some people just hate change and think it was always better before. The fact is they didn't change the queue. That old queue was gone, kaputt, destroyed. They built a queue that fit this ride. Had they rebuilt the old one it wouldn't have made any sense within the scope of this ride. Yes there are a few people who found the old boring sea cabs to be a great ride and much better than this Nemo "puppet show" but they were few and far between.

What sea base alpha originally was was only mildly entertaining at best. Now had it gotten the original design with poseidon, etc... that the imagineers wanted to give it before its budget was slashed then it would have been great. But what we got was a highly neutered idea and it showed. How anybody can complain about Nemo coming into an area that had been closed for years and say it made it worse just makes me laugh.
 

mkt

Disney's Favorite Scumbag™
Premium Member
Rob's opinion, ie- the only one that counts :D

Pick an option for the living seas (and bring back the seacabs and hydrolators isn't one of them):

A- a half assed shell of its former self
B- a new lease on life with a new franchise

I'll take B. If the guests aren't going, like in A, then it needs to go.

as for my opinion on the original...

The Hydrolators were lame. The seacabs were cool, but were gone too long to matter to anyone anymore. If it takes Nemot o save the Pavilion, so be it.
 

bears163

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You and about six other people. That concept didn't work out....the park has moved on.

:wave:

LOL omg i am cracking up on that one. i don't know. i have not seen it yet. we were there the week before it opened. there are always going ot be people who don't like some things. ask yourself this question. is is as bad as stich?.....?......?
i have seen that once....and never will again......if you think nemo was a bad choice...IMO it is nothing as bad as the change from Alien to Stich....it just can't be
 

Main Street USA

Well-Known Member
Even though the initial post is laced with sarcasm, I STILL miss the Hydrolators.

I'm certain I'll love the Nemo Rehab. I've longed for the days when the seacabs would return.......in any form. This pavillion needed some sort of attraction for the general public besides "huge fish tank" and now it has 2. Turtle Talk, and a 5 minute long dark ride with a couple animatronics, new technology, and believe it or not, even a little undersea education thrown in for good measure.

Finally, a well done rehab of an original. Now, let's take the same ingenuity and drag it over to Journey. :)
 

mkt

Disney's Favorite Scumbag™
Premium Member
Nope. It's still there...and about to be 100 times more popular with guests than it has been for about 15 years.



Nothing to add to that....I think the error in that statement is pretty obvious.



You and about six other people. That concept didn't work out....the park has moved on.

:wave:
Lee...

when I have a kid, you're gonna be its godfather. You rock
 

prspeppers

New Member
But you said it right there...you never saw the old queue. Therefore, you have no basis for comparision. You are exactly what Disney wants..someone with no expectations..so they can continue to lower there standards and infuse the parks with blatant commercialism.

You took the words right out of my mouth.
 

bassman

New Member
I hear where you are coming from. It sickens me to see children running up to the Clown Fish tanks and yelling, "Look mommy! Its NEMO!!!"

Think of it, a decades worth of children growing up thinking it is called a "Nemo Fish" when it would be far more inspiring to see them calling it by its true scientific name: "Look mommy! Its an Amphiprion percula!!!" and adding, "And did you know mommy, Anemonefishes are protected from the anemones stinging cells by their mucus. They are protandrous hermaphrodites (mature as males, reverse later and become breeding females). Eggs are laid near or under the anemone and tended and protected by the male. They feed on zooplankton and algae...

Isn't that interesting mommy!?!?!"

the above quoted kid must like super intellegent to remember all that,all those complicated words like anemomajiggers and amphiwhatsits.
really the mind boggles.:lol: :D
seriously though i hope that there doesn't appear to be a generation calling them nemo fish,it sounds almost like a cult or religion like what happened with Jedi when star wars was released.:D
 

figment1985

New Member
Okay, if this is ANOTHER sarcasm post, I think I'm gonna scream. It's a little old... I'm sick of having to guess if people are being serious or not!!!

But in any case, Dr Albert, or whatever, you are going way over board (pun not intended..heehee)..with the topic about Epcot changing. Is your house cluttered with things? It seems like you have a death grip on the past. I loved the old Epcot too, the wonders of life building, everything. But no one wants to hear it. You could have simply posted your comment in one of the Nemo threads that have ALREADY been started.
 

prspeppers

New Member
Have either of you even ridden the ride?? You can't tell me I'm not allowed to have an opinion because I've only seen the new attraction if you've only seen the old attraction...

I have been on the old ride more times than I can count, and I have experienced the new ride twice. Also....nobody said your not entitled to an opinion, however only having 1/2 the experience may skew your remarks.
 
I have been on the old ride more times than I can count, and I have experienced the new ride twice. Also....nobody said your not entitled to an opinion, however only having 1/2 the experience may skew your remarks.

My apologies :eek: I tend to get hotheaded and then feel like an idiot an hour later. This would be one of those instances.
 

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