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Negativity

DaddyDisneyMan

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I must admit, some of the contributors in here warned me not to frequent the News and Rumors section. I totally understand that 99.9% of the complaining is well deserved by my oh my, what a downer to read. I will stop reading this section considering I am heading down to Disney in a few weeks. As magical as Disney is they are going to have flaws, any great company is not going to be perfect. No one is perfect, but there are people out there that expect nothing but perfection; wake up people, it ain't going to happen. On that note, I am off to the other WONDERFUL sections to this forum. Good day to all here and have a magical day! :)
 

sweetpee_1993

Well-Known Member
I must admit, some of the contributors in here warned me not to frequent the News and Rumors section. I totally understand that 99.9% of the complaining is well deserved by my oh my, what a downer to read. I will stop reading this section considering I am heading down to Disney in a few weeks. As magical as Disney is they are going to have flaws, any great company is not going to be perfect. No one is perfect, but there are people out there that expect nothing but perfection; wake up people, it ain't going to happen. On that note, I am off to the other WONDERFUL sections to this forum. Good day to all here and have a magical day! :)

I certainly understand where you're coming from. As for the bolded red part above, the problem is that a much better quality World DID exist once upon a time. Some people know and remember it. That's what they want back. It's not demanding something that isn't real. It was real. It did exist. It's a matter of not being satisfied with less than the standards that Disney themselves set. ;)
 

Beholder

Well-Known Member
I think this entire argument relies quite a bit on perspective and what someone is willing to overlook when it comes to personal standards. The whole "nobody's perfect" excuse, to me, is just a way to give oneself permission to ignore flaws without feeling "disloyal". I believe many on here try to hold Disney to the standard that THEY created, not us. I love the IDEA of Disney more so than Disney itself sometimes, and I hate that. I want it to return to the place it was and promised to be. Lower standards of upkeep, diminishing new product, and attractions in such deplorable condition that they could actually pose a safety hazard! At Disney! THAT is NOT acceptable, at no place, by any company, but especially one that promotes itself as a family destination. I think we have a right and perhaps a responsibility to voice our concerns. We have a vested interest in WDW, both in terms of emotional connection and financial investment. We should, and do, point out what's good and what's correct, but the declining standards of the place that created the standard needs to stop. And I think most of us here agree that, in time, it will turn around, but the waiting is much too long.
 

dopeylover

Well-Known Member
I must admit, some of the contributors in here warned me not to frequent the News and Rumors section. I totally understand that 99.9% of the complaining is well deserved by my oh my, what a downer to read. I will stop reading this section considering I am heading down to Disney in a few weeks. As magical as Disney is they are going to have flaws, any great company is not going to be perfect. No one is perfect, but there are people out there that expect nothing but perfection; wake up people, it ain't going to happen. On that note, I am off to the other WONDERFUL sections to this forum. Good day to all here and have a magical day! :)

I have taken time off of certain threads and themes on this site as well! Sometimes even if you know everything in life is not perfect, it's better to focus on the positive in life. I've been focusing more on Trip Reports, and it helps to give me a MAJOR Disney fix! Valid points are made for sure about WDW, but sometimes it's like beating a dead horse. Enjoy your trip!
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Again? Really?

I am a pretty new poster here but have been around the block with Disney discussions for a chunk of time. I commented on another holier than thou thread about how frequently threads like this pop up. Seems every few weeks. While not a fan of the mean and nasty I do like a spirited debate. Yet the comment of but there are people out there that expect nothing but perfection; wake up people, it ain't going to happen, I look at expecting branches not to fall from fake trees, moldy appearance of Norway to be taken care of, Splash load area not needing a safety net are reasonable expectations for Disney. I have never heard Disney indicate that this is the best they can do and these types of things should be accepted as typical standards and goals for Disney.

So I wonder why every few weeks someone finds it appropriate to chastise us for us discussing the inadequacies we discover. Or at the very least take the time and just continue to rant on an existing rant thread about the members. Just a thought.
 

DaddyDisneyMan

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I have taken time off of certain threads and themes on this site as well! Sometimes even if you know everything in life is not perfect, it's better to focus on the positive in life. I've been focusing more on Trip Reports, and it helps to give me a MAJOR Disney fix! Valid points are made for sure about WDW, but sometimes it's like beating a dead horse. Enjoy your trip!
thank you for the kind words.
 

DaddyDisneyMan

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Hmmmm...very interesting responses from many different angles. I guess I got what I asked for...I nice little debate eh? I seemed to have stuck a nerve with some people. I guess I am just excited to head down to Disney and the "negative" comments struck me the wrong way. Sorry to have offended anyone.
 

Wesleyjohn

Member
I'm beginning to wonder if the negativity is good. That way the normal people, lol, such as myself have lower expectations. Despite disney pry wasn't what it used to be , 99.9% of us don't know what it used to be so, then we get there and it's exactly what we think it should be. FUN

Leaving in 3 days, bummer on the forecast but we will have a good trip I'm sure.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
I guess that's what the boards are for: to complain as well as praise, and share wonderful memories of our favorite place on earth!:D
Exactly... where we can have CIVIL discussions about what we like, dislike, and the direction we see the park going... If some members don't like other members, either stop replying to them, or better yet, place them on ignore...

I don't think the negativity is in over abundance... I think a lot of the negativity is drawn out when someone posts about their perception of decline, about broken AAs and poor show, and people who don't like to hear negative things about WDW getting their panties in a bunch, or some members just having a personal issue with others... Then the negativity is multiplied because a child-like fight breaks out... Certain members here exhibit troll-like behavior and continue to get away with it for some strange reason... I won't name names, you all know who they are... Their sole purpose for posting is to cause arguments... And sure enough, an argument usually ensues...
 

Tegan pilots a chicken

Sharpie Queen 💜
Premium Member
I still absolutely love WDW and enjoy being there every single time I am blessed enough to do so.

It is my belief however that they could be doing a better job, from the big picture all the way down to the small details. It's little things that get me, like the fact that only the "E-ticket" attractions get any serious recognition. The over abundance of Pixar characters in EVERYTHING. The promotional materials that make WDW look like a place that is only appealing to families with young children. I could go on and on.

It's still far and away my favorite place to be. But I don't want that to change. Ever. And that's why we have to point these things out when we see them.

And I hate to say it but I would take WDW 1991 over WDW today.
 

Bob Saget

Well-Known Member
I think a lot of the negativity towards WDW today comes from that frame of mind that "the golden age was never the present one." We value WDW as a place of nostalgia, and any change -whether good or bad- seems to chip away at that nostalgic fondness we remember from days long past.
Take the Avatar announcement for example. Many greeted this planned expansion (whether or not it'll still come to pass) with sorrow & aggression. Why? Nobody knew what the proposed "Land" would look like, or what attraction(s) it would consist of. Nothing was known when first revealed..yet they already made up their minds it was bad for Disney. I myself found it rather odd picturing a union of blue aliens at a Disney animal park...it just wasn't usual; it wasn't what I'm used to. Prime example of me being negative about something I knew nothing of, and basing my negativity off of what I "expect" from Disney, or what "should" be at the parks. That is just one prime example, but there are numerous others.

Now as far as maintenance neglect, effects being eliminated, etc...yes, that is a prime example of decline from the standards which have been set. This upsets many people, and for good reason. It may not have taken away any from my Disney experiences, but it has certainly bothered some...and they should be able to sing praises & voice concerns about a place they love. It doesn't make them any less of a "fan" than the guests who still see Disney as pristine & majestic as they did on their first visit.
 

awilliams4

Well-Known Member
Again? Really?

I am a pretty new poster here but have been around the block with Disney discussions for a chunk of time. I commented on another holier than thou thread about how frequently threads like this pop up. Seems every few weeks. While not a fan of the mean and nasty I do like a spirited debate. Yet the comment of but there are people out there that expect nothing but perfection; wake up people, it ain't going to happen, I look at expecting branches not to fall from fake trees, moldy appearance of Norway to be taken care of, Splash load area not needing a safety net are reasonable expectations for Disney. I have never heard Disney indicate that this is the best they can do and these types of things should be accepted as typical standards and goals for Disney.

So I wonder why every few weeks someone finds it appropriate to chastise us for us discussing the inadequacies we discover. Or at the very least take the time and just continue to rant on an existing rant thread about the members. Just a thought.

Been in IT my whole life so I am accustomed to and always expect things to be much more complicated than anticipated, always things that weren't thought about, constant repercussions to other things that were never anticipated and the always frustrating predictable users who complain about whatever the subject may be only to know with absolute certainty that the user has no idea as to the details.

So I go into most things that I am not involved with thinking that there is probably more to it than I am aware of.

Using the AK Tree as an example, many complain and say it is downright pathetic......maybe.....I look at it as I wonder what it is that is causing the slowdown, there is something I don't know, I wonder what many details came up that they are dealing with, waiting on, anticipating.

I can say this, most if not all that complain about the AK Tree can in no way know what exactly the hold up is. So when I see complaints using this example, it reminds me of my IT world and users complaining about something they know nothing about.

Again, maybe it is Disney being pathetic, but I know that I and probably you have no way to know that. And the complaints aren't speculation either, they are mostly toned as factual. That Disney is really pathetic and has been for years and is screwing everybody over every chance they get. And I know that Disney just chooses not to fix the Tree because they don't want to spend the money.

I would suggest that it makes no sense that Disney is just being pathetic with the Tree. There are reasons that we don't know about. Up to and including that there wasn't any money in the budget to antipcate this and now that one branch has fallen, we are going to fix this but we aren't going to be half-assed about it. We are going to put it into the budget, look at long term solutions, get folk in here to consult with and brain storm on what we need to do to prevent this from happening....especially considering that if you put it into context, global weather changes are probably being considered as well. Maybe they are planning to replace all the branches with something more sturdy but it is taking a thorough study to evaulate this option.

And if I am right, how ridiculous do all the complaints about the AK Tree look?
 

Zman-ks

Well-Known Member
Just to clarify....this is a negative thread complaining about negative threads?
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Mind = blown :P
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Been in IT my whole life so I am accustomed to and always expect things to be much more complicated than anticipated, always things that weren't thought about, constant repercussions to other things that were never anticipated and the always frustrating predictable users who complain about whatever the subject may be only to know with absolute certainty that the user has no idea as to the details.

So I go into most things that I am not involved with thinking that there is probably more to it than I am aware of.

Using the AK Tree as an example, many complain and say it is downright pathetic......maybe.....I look at it as I wonder what it is that is causing the slowdown, there is something I don't know, I wonder what many details came up that they are dealing with, waiting on, anticipating.

I can say this, most if not all that complain about the AK Tree can in no way know what exactly the hold up is. So when I see complaints using this example, it reminds me of my IT world and users complaining about something they know nothing about.

Again, maybe it is Disney being pathetic, but I know that I and probably you have no way to know that. And the complaints aren't speculation either, they are mostly toned as factual. That Disney is really pathetic and has been for years and is screwing everybody over every chance they get. And I know that Disney just chooses not to fix the Tree because they don't want to spend the money.

I would suggest that it makes no sense that Disney is just being pathetic with the Tree. There are reasons that we don't know about. Up to and including that there wasn't any money in the budget to antipcate this and now that one branch has fallen, we are going to fix this but we aren't going to be half-assed about it. We are going to put it into the budget, look at long term solutions, get folk in here to consult with and brain storm on what we need to do to prevent this from happening....especially considering that if you put it into context, global weather changes are probably being considered as well. Maybe they are planning to replace all the branches with something more sturdy but it is taking a thorough study to evaulate this option.

And if I am right, how ridiculous do all the complaints about the AK Tree look?

You are right in line with the OP camp.

I on the other hand have expectations. If Disney can create a fake tree that guests can climb through 40 years ago at the MK, that doesn't need nets my expectation is Disney should be able to engineer at least as good of a safe tree for AK.

My board and I unloaded our IT Director around 1 1/2 years ago. Everything was an excuse, everything lingered around not being fixed and there was always an excuse and topped with we likely couldn't understand. We now have a new dude, things still go off course, the difference is they get fixed timely and he doesn't waste time concocting up excuses he fixes what is broken. I am a fan of action.
 

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