MyMagic+ article from Fast Company magazine

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Right, but you are only one person. I'm not sure there is any way to deny that the subset I described, exists. Anyways...

I don't want to get too far off topic here. @AustinC wrote an interesting article, that was well researched, well sourced, and well written. Then he even came here to discuss the content of the article. Instead of having an informative conversation about MM+. He was bombarded with accusations of being a corporate shill, of writing a puff piece in exchange for access, even of being paid by TWDC. It's completely insane.

your personal feelings about WDW aside, which are perfectly valid btw, I just wanted to get across to Austin, that not everyone here is nuts.

Being IN the technology field if I'm having the problem others are as well and I always have plenty of company at GR these days and from the snippets of conversation I hear they are having similar issues. Pre-MM+ tech support at a theme park was not even a thing. It surely is now though.
 

betty rose

Well-Known Member
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I think you overstate the obiesiance to @WDW1974 speaking for myself I criticize in a a over the top manner in an attempt to break thru the pixie dust induced torpor of other readers because of some distinctly UNMAGICAL experiences mostly related to Disney's new technology rollouts and the appalling fall in standards and quality at WDW especially over the last 5 years. And I really want others to see how the park and resort experience has declined over the years. Charitably the WDW experience at best is stale.

I don't follow any poster here even @WDW1974 despite the fact that I agree with him more often than not.

I tend to refer to myself as a 'Reformed Pixie Duster', I was part of the 'Save Disney' movement years ago where MDE was really starting to damage TWDC and I was one of those who welcomed Bob Iger especially after he fixed the TWDC/Pixar relationship. Also have 800 DVC timeshare points. So yes at one point I was a hardcore pixie duster, NO LONGER.

None of the recent changes have positively impacted my experience as a guest at the park, In 30 years of park going until the introduction of MM+ I never went to GR except to collect the AP's, Now with MM+ I can look forward to spending at least 4-6 hours at GR fixing MM+ 'issues' for my family on each trip, How does spending time on Tech Support Issues ENHANCE my vacation. Over the holidays AP's would not admit me and DW spent 2.5 hours at MK GR with 4 people trying to figure out why VALID admission media did not work and in the process missed an ADR at Tony's with rest of extended family on same trip, Yes that was a MAGICAL experience brought to you by MM+.

Being DVC to TWDC means I'm 'locked into' park visits, In reality many of us are using our DVC as a base in central FL Family will be down for 10 days this May, we are planning perhaps 3-4 park days and the rest elsewhere - 5 years ago those 10 days were ALL park days.
We have timeshare points also, and have gone to the parks since they opened...(or I should say, when the magic kingdom opened). Any way, we have seen how the parks experience has eroded....and are disillusioned to the point of going, and not spending much time in the parks....we don't drive so we are that captive audience. That doesn't mean, with the overcrowding, lack of bench's and other things...too numerous to list; that we are spending money. We go to have family time with the kids and grandkids, two boys, who are becoming bored with Disney and wanting to do Universal. My daughter is not over it, and she is the planner of the family....so we go along, part time reluctantly....and sometimes with joy, in that we are in a better place than the cold weather....but you could say that about a lot of places. Not to be too negative, I still love the flower and garden show.
 
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jakeman

Well-Known Member
We are vocal about management because many of us here are managers in real life whether it be financial, operational, informational, logistical, etc.

It is from our direct life experience of witnessing successes and failures in our professional disciplines that we see dark clouds in the future of TWDC.

As managers (better leaders) we are wired to speak up rather than sit back and watch the oncoming train wreck.

Your assertion that our constructive criticism is an effort to gain favor with any single individual is sadly mistaken.
I believe you and our gleefully chronic falsifier @ford91exploder are taking what @xdan0920 is saying to personally.

I've not read the article, but the character of the author has been attacked almost from the beginning, not by you specifically, but it has been attacked.

And yes the questions asked of him regarding his ethics (which include compensation) are an attack on his character.

Instead of debating the merits of the article, folks have taken to questioning the validity of the author. If that doesn't sound like what happens around here almost daily then I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention. Cute nicknames, compensation questions...all used daily around here to not only marginalize members of the media (or who Disney wants to see as media) but also posters of these boards. By invalidating the character of the author it's easier to dismiss their message.

Perhaps if we all just took all available information and realize that almost all of it is tainted by some sort of agenda and ultimately that the news is about a theme park and therefore inconsequential we can stop with the Benghazi level questions about a bracelet and a light up pole?
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Being IN the technology field if I'm having the problem others are as well and I always have plenty of company at GR these days and from the snippets of conversation I hear they are having similar issues. Pre-MM+ tech support at a theme park was not even a thing. It surely is now though.
That could be said about pretty much everything though. Pre-technology, tech support was not a thing. Pre-technology, having an item with a bad UPC barcode at the checkout line was not a problem, because the cashier just keyed the dollar amount in. Now it is something that a grocery store has to worry about.
The fact that there are tech support issues in a theme park is not necessarily a bad thing. It's a sign of the times.

And I'm fairly certain that tech support has been all over the WDW parks since the advent of computer controlled attractions. This is just a different kind of tech support, one that will either get better, or stay glitchy. In my personal observation, it seems to have gotten better. But that is a very small sample size.
 

GrumpyFan

Well-Known Member
It took me a while, but I finally finished the article late last night. My head is spinning at all the information that it contained. Well done to the author, @AustinC ,and thanks for joining and discussing it with us.

A few things stood out for me:

Referral to WDW as a "burning platform". It's interesting to read that they (Disney Exec's) knew they had a problem with the product becoming stale, yet, they chose a different path rather than the traditional for trying to fix things. Rasulo seems to get most of the credit (or blame) for this, but, I have to wonder what else led to their decision to jump into this like they did? Were they trying to find an alternative way to improve the parks without actually investing big capital by adding attractions? Or, was it more driven by finances and an aversion to taking a risk on a big new attraction, only to watch it fail, as in the case of Expedition Everest's Yeti?

The part that grated on me the most was the choosing to go around Imagineering and bring in an outside group. Did the issue with the Yeti cause some fallout or mis-trust with Imagineering? That's the only conclusion I can draw that would make sense as to why they didn't include them in the project. Regardless, what were they thinking? How do you just cut out the very team who is not only tasked with, but lives and breathes and dreams of ways to make the parks better day and night, and are in many instances just begging for the opportunity? Of course they were ed off, they were left out of the process and then forced to work with a product they didn't agree with!

Infighting! It's amazing this thing made it out as it did, when it did! But, looking at all the outside "partners" and money they spent, it sounds like they bought the emperor a new set of clothes. Sure, they gave him (us) MM+ and a shiny new app with the ability to schedule FP in advance of our trip, but overall, they just shrunk the KTTW plastic card and made it into a wristband.

On the whole issue with the budget thing that everybody keeps mentioning and the $1Billion costs. Going out on a limb here, but I would venture a guess that the costs of it were probably spread creatively across all of the different groups such as resorts, merchandising, transportation, IT, ops, etc. so the NGE team budget was kept within that number, but the other groups were saddled with additional costs to support and implement it. Bottom line, the total cost is only known by a few tight-lipped individuals in Finance and higher up, regardless, I'm not buying that it was kept within a billion.

If anything, the end story was quite revealing and left me with a happy/sad sort of feeling. I'm left with the impression that this "project" cost a lot of money and heartache and achieved very little of what they were hoping for, except maybe a slight improvement on guest satisfaction, which is kind of sad. It seems they're now struggling with what to do with it for the future, and not too eager to invest a lot more in it as-is, which is also sad, but maybe a good thing as we can hope they learned that in the end it wasn't really worth it.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Since I'm here.

For those of you questioning how he found his way here and insinuating that he was sent here by TWDC, if you type "disney forum" into Google this is the first result. Pretty much any MM+ keyword followed by "forum" or "discussion" directs to this site within the first few results. It's not like it takes a rocket surgeon to find this place.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I believe you and our gleefully chronic falsifier @ford91exploder are taking what @xdan0920 is saying to personally.

I've not read the article, but the character of the author has been attacked almost from the beginning, not by you specifically, but it has been attacked.

And yes the questions asked of him regarding his ethics (which include compensation) are an attack on his character.

Instead of debating the merits of the article, folks have taken to questioning the validity of the author. If that doesn't sound like what happens around here almost daily then I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention. Cute nicknames, compensation questions...all used daily around here to not only marginalize members of the media (or who Disney wants to see as media) but also posters of these boards. By invalidating the character of the author it's easier to dismiss their message.

Perhaps if we all just took all available information and realize that almost all of it is tainted by some sort of agenda and ultimately that the news is about a theme park and therefore inconsequential we can stop with the Benghazi level questions about a bracelet and a light up pole?

Oh? I must have missed/skipped right over that. I read the article about 3 times, got more and more angry at management and spouted off. Its interesting to see the glimpses of the inner workings and political culture that permeates through TWDC.

I still feel that NGE is merely much-needed infrastructure and simply an update of existing Disney technologies with a smartphone app.

They really didn't do anything other than alienate a large segment of their existing guest population.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
As long as you dont favor the flavor of Flava :cautious:
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Right, but you are only one person. I'm not sure there is any way to deny that the subset I described, exists. Anyways...

I don't want to get too far off topic here. @AustinC wrote an interesting article, that was well researched, well sourced, and well written. Then he even came here to discuss the content of the article. Instead of having an informative conversation about MM+. He was bombarded with accusations of being a corporate shill, of writing a puff piece in exchange for access, even of being paid by TWDC. It's completely insane.

your personal feelings about WDW aside, which are perfectly valid btw, I just wanted to get across to Austin, that not everyone here is nuts.
Ill assume that you group me in with your created subset. Also because I asked austinC if he or his company had accepted any payment or been comped by TWDC. You describe that as "bombarding him with accusations of being a corporate shill"? @AustinC gladly answered the question without any problem and obviously did not feel "attacked". You can fabricate the reality of the situation to suit your vision but it doesnt change the truth.

As far as your claims of obiesiance to 74, I had no idea he was even a tech writer or had a blog until someone pointed it out yesterday, which seemed odd that the person felt the need to put out personal information. Either way, I dont even follow him on this board, I just agree with his views on certain subjects. I have definitely never written a post to him in a but-smooching fashion like you did to AustinC in an odd plea to gain his approval by claiming your sanity. Is it easier to type while your wearing a dress?
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Oh? I must have missed/skipped right over that. I read the article about 3 times, got more and more angry at management and spouted off. Its interesting to see the glimpses of the inner workings and political culture that permeates through TWDC.

I still feel that NGE is merely much-needed infrastructure and simply an update of existing Disney technologies with a smartphone app.

They really didn't do anything other than alienate a large segment of their existing guest population.
Which part did you skip? I was only referring to comments about the article from this thread. I haven't read the article myself, nor do I want to imply that I am making any statements regarding the quality or validity of the article. I'm simply "watching the watchers" as it were. :D
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Which part did you skip? I was only referring to comments about the article from this thread. I haven't read the article myself, nor do I want to imply that I am making any statements regarding the quality or validity of the article. I'm simply "watching the watchers" as it were. :D

I skipped over anyone speaking as to the quality of the article. I don't have time for that, instead there's a lot of good information here to digest.

I really makes me wonder how some of these upper P&R managers got their jobs. Managing mutual funds on Wall Street? Clearly, they have no clue as to what goes on in a theme park. You need a company man who's been there and done that instead of political animals.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I was an existing guest, and part of the existing guest population. I liked my experience with the MB and FP+, and believe the NextGen stuff in the parks is quite interesting. So they something other than alienate people.

Such as? Care to weigh in on what they did, exactly beyond taking existing Disney technologies like KTTW & FP and integrate it with your phone?
 

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