My Magic + details ...

[RSoxNo1]

There isn't a park that you need three fast passes in a day except Epcot when it's busy. And I'm the same as you I visit 3 parks a day when I'm there. This will kill the waterparks.

I don't think that makes sense. Epcot typically only needs Fastpass for Soarin' and Test Track, I could see the need to expand this to 6 for MK, 4 for DHS and 3 for Epcot and DAK.

Have they done away with the "groupings" of Fastpasses that were done during the initial tests where you had to choice 1 from Group A and 2 from Group B?

 

[PhotoDave219]

I can't imagine they could "force" you to ride together. What if some members of your group had to stay with the little kids?
But seriously, who knows?!

Seems like an idea that "looks good on paper" but when it gets to operational functionality, implementation is a nightmare.....

 

[RSoxNo1]

Yes, I took it to mean food pre-order is a FP+ only activity. But I'll check. Entertainment is parades and pyro, yes.

No start date.

I still believe it will be well into 2014 before this goes live for all.

That seems short sighted unless I'm misunderstanding you. I would think you would be able to order food but it wouldn't preclude you from your 3 FP+ attractions.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Not to mention that magic moment that all of us have done, or been a recipient of, I suspect...where someone decides, youknow, I really don't want to use these fast passes I have...

And they approach you, out of the blue, and offer them to you.

Guests making magic for other Guests...

Now, they'll all just have their noses shoved into their smartphones as they "plan" out their day and snap photos with their iPads.

<facepalms>

I have over 1000 paper Fastpasses in my office. Anyone want to join me in the park one day and try to use them?

 

[DTale]

Okay, so what about those of us who travel with groups?

I usually travel with my family, but with our sudden interest in DL (what a surprise), the only time I can go to WDW now is with my high school band. I got the OCD planner gene from my parents, and if I can't make my FP+ reservations because my Band Director's third party company won't give me access to it I may flip.

Literally.

 

[RSoxNo1]

1) There is no such thing as unlimited FPs. I didn't make that claim.
2) FP+ is FP virtualized with a prereservation component.
3) Disney isn't withholding the information. It's right there in the T&C. Beyond that, I don't see why fanboy angst and internet supposition should cause the company to make any statements about anything.

They have not come out and addressed many of our concerns including day of availability or day of reservations beyond the 3.

 

[Computer Magic]

Will Disney see the benefits of selling additional FP+ slots?

Another question. If I book a fastpass to Space Mountain to my whole party but some of them don't want to ride, can I swap bands with them and use their FP+ or is the system tied so the whole party needs to ride it together?

and we have one way to beat the system. If there are 4 in a party that's 12 FP+ Now if only 2 people want to use FP+ that's 6 each.

I see this going the way of the Dining Plan. You get 3 per day times number of days. You can use all in one day or spread out through the vacation.

 

[RSoxNo1]

So. Since Disney is horribly unlikely to change the 3 FP+ per day limit.....

Is this going to make the standby lines better or worse? How long will Peter Pan's Flight or TSMM end up?

Unless the change the number of distributed Fastpasses I wouldn't expect much of a change. The only factor here would be if people are more likely to make their FASTPASS+ reservations vs. their Fastpass reservations. I would think that they would, but I'm guessing the change would be marginal.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Will Disney see the benefits of selling additional FP+ slots?

Another question. If I book a fastpass to Space Mountain to my whole party but some of them don't want to ride, can I swap bands with them and use their FP+ or is the system tied so the whole party needs to ride it together?

The whole party does not have to book the same FastPasses.

 

[RSoxNo1]

It's now been revealed what the advantage will be for onsite guests: 60 + 10 days booking vs. just 60 days for everyone else.

For popular attractions, this will be a huge advantage.

I'm still waiting for a clearer explanation of what will happen to local AP holders. Let's see how this evolves.

I have to believe they won't make 100% of marquee attraction's Fastpass availability accessible at 60+10 days out.

 

[LucyK]

and we have one way to beat the system. If there are 4 in a party that's 12 FP+ Now if only 2 people want to use FP+ that's 6 each.

I see this going the way of the Dining Plan. You get 3 per day times number of days. You can use all in one day or spread out through the vacation.

It's the same principle of the current FP system really. You have as many possibilities to get a FP as the number of guests in your party have tickets (or in this case, bands). If one (or more) of the party doesn't want to ride SM or Everest, more than likely they will be waiting for the rest of us to get out of the ride instead of going and doing something by themselves. Why would anyone lose that FP+ slot? Just swap bands and ride it again before your time is up.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Okay, so what about those of us who travel with groups?

I usually travel with my family, but with our sudden interest in DL (what a surprise), the only time I can go to WDW now is with my high school band. I got the OCD planner gene from my parents, and if I can't make my FP+ reservations because my Band Director's third party company won't give me access to it I may flip.

Literally.

Well once we figure out how to circumvent the system, we'll let you know.

Otherwise we'll have Yosarian work on this catch-22....

 

[GoofGoof]

I have to believe they won't make 100% of marquee attraction's Fastpass availability accessible at 60+10 days out.

Do they do that for ADRs? Seems like you hear a lot of people say they got shut out at popular restaurants even booking 180 days +10 only to find that a few weeks later the restaurant they want opens up. Maybe it's just people canceling reservations, but I have always been suspicious that they hold some reservation slots back to be released at random later times.

 

[LucyK]

The whole party does not have to book the same FastPasses.

No they don't but I the % or families who actually split up and have Mom and Suzie riding Buzz while Dad and Johnnie ride Space Mountain is marginal at best. Most families will linger around the ride to wait for the rest of their party.

 

[Computer Magic]

It's the same principle of the current FP system really. You have as many possibilities to get a FP as the number of guests in your party have tickets (or in this case, bands). If one (or more) of the party doesn't want to ride SM or Everest, more than likely they will be waiting for the rest of us to get out of the ride instead of going and doing something by themselves. Why would anyone lose that FP+ slot? Just swap bands and ride it again before your time is up.

Yes but numbers have an advantage. Still working outside how the system was designed. If FP+ doesn't care about age, even a bigger advantage. Leave you child at funcare or baby swap. You are just working a legal loop hole. Unless they start carding you and compare ID to badge. :lol

 

[RSoxNo1]

MagicBand T-Shirts

http://onthegoinmco.com/2013/06/25/new-magicband-accessories-available/

How long before they hit Spirit's beloved outlet?

Well, at least they're reinforcing the stupid.

 

[loboftbl]

This whole Fastpass + reminds me of something else in the news recently(pardon me if someone else mentioned it).

A few weeks ago Microsoft announced their new "NSA Spybox"....I mean Xbox One with all of its unfriendly consumer features. Sony waited for them to finish anouncing then smashed them into the ground with their own announcement. I am a diehard Xbox user(been on Xbox live since launch day) and I am not going to buy a new xbox(no matter what they change or allow). Sony stomped Microsoft so bad they are changing all the restrictive features that everyone blasted them for that we were told could never be changed.

My point...it appears to me that Disney(microsoft) thinks they can force the consumer to accept their product on their terms while the competition, Universal(Sony), builds what the consumer wants.

Is anyone excited or happy for the new Fastpass +? I see Disney pulling a Microsoft at some point before or right after the full launch of this system. I can't wait until the all of the "non-forum" guests start showing up asking where all the fastpass machines went.....what do you mean I had to book a ride 60 days out or miss it?

 

[RSoxNo1]

I think you're underestimating the supply of Fastpasses. It's just guesswork from either of us without the actual numbers, buy I really think there will be plenty of FP+ to go around, even to those who book later. I mean you might not get TSMM if you book 11 days out, so there will be SOME impact of booking last minute, but I don't think it'll be as severe as dining reservations, for example. I think the +10 days for resort guests is more "make them feel like they're getting a bonus" than "they better be in that +10 window or they're screwed."

This is what I think people have a really hard time with. TSMM Fastpass is already unavailable after noon most days, the fear is that it won't be available day of. Hopefully they restricted advanced bookings to prevent this. You know, that and add new attractions in the parks that only have 5 rides.

 

[GoofGoof]

This is what I think people have a really hard time with. TSMM Fastpass is already unavailable after noon most days, the fear is that it won't be available day of. Hopefully they restricted advanced bookings to prevent this. You know, that and add new attractions in the parks that only have 5 rides.

The last sentence is the real problem. Outside of maybe MK we are all going to be gunning for the same few FP+ reservations. That's going to be a problem.

 

[PhotoDave219]

The last sentence is the real problem. Outside of maybe MK we are all going to be gunning for the same few FP+ reservations. That's going to be a problem.

Or we wont use it at all.

Or we'll be trying to get on our phones trying to see whats available.