My Impressions of BLT

LAM378

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I'm a little reluctant to post this but I'm wondering if my experience at BLT was unique.

I only stayed for 2 nights last week so my impression is by no means well-rounded.

We checked in to a 1br villa around 1 pm last Sunday--a hectic day, I know. The villa was not ready, so we hung out at the pool. 4 pm comes, then 5, and the room is still not ready, because it's being cleaned. I actually got a spiel from a CM about how much longer it takes housekeeping to clean villas in between guests. Good thing I was checking at the front desk every 20 minutes because the room ready text just never came.

Finally, at 6:30 pm, our villa is ready...and it's gross. The sheets were clean, thank goodness, but the bathrooms and kitchen looked like they'd just been swiped at with a wet rag. You could still feel dirt and yuck on the counters. There's a big spider web with a dead spider in it hanging on the diagonal off the island. There was hair in both tubs. The ottoman/tray is covered in sticky spills. Every doorknob and every vertical surface is filthy, every door and cabinet has fingerprints and stickiness all over it. The table under the TV has candy or something stuck everywhere. Even the door to the villa is disgusting.

I'm not good at complaining, but I go to the front desk and ask for a manager to talk about the condition of my room. The CM says no manager is available and starts apologizing about the rooms--talking about an upcoming refurb. I'm like no, no--it's just gross. He looks disgusted when I explain, and promises to have housekeeping clean it again when we go out that night.

When we returned, the hair was out of the tub but everything else was the same, including the spider web. I was too tired to fight it and went to sleep, but by this time I was super skeeved out and didn't want to touch anything in the villa. You couldn't have paid me to eat with one of the supplied forks.

We leave for HS the next morning, come back after a "cleaning," and the room is exactly the same (and so is the spiderweb!). Again I go to the front desk to ask for a manager. Again, no manager, but I get a sympathetic CM who gave me a $100 room credit and 3 Fastpasses for that evening.

In retrospect, I probably should have argued for a larger room credit, but by that time I was 6 days into an exhausting trip and just had no fight in me.

But really, it was appalling. I was preoccupied with the actual filth, but like the first CM indicated, the villa really was in need of a refurb. The carpet and couch were stained beyond belief, the walls and wood furniture had big gouges, the pocket doors didn't lock and just sort of swayed in the breeze (so, no privacy). These things would have bothered me more had I not been worried about spiders and hair and stickiness.

I wonder, too, if the fingerprints everywhere had to
do with the materials used--the dark wood and stainless steel and light fabrics and whatever the pocket doors are made of. These are materials you really have to scrub to shine them up, and are probably the worst choice for a resort full of families. That's no excuse for making me live in some other family's mess, but it makes me think my situation can't be unique.

Overall, BLT didn't do it for me and that's disappointing, because I wanted to love it. This was kind of a test run for a big trip with my sister's family next year. I love CR but something about BLT felt even more sterile (outside my room, that is). The location could not be beat, but if I wasn't standing in a spot that had a view of the monorail or Space Mountain, I could have been at any hotel in the world. No really good CMs, which was extra disappointing coming from YC, where the CMs were spectacular. I could have lived with all that, but the room itself just left the worst taste in my mouth (and the worst film on my skin).

Again, not trying to alienate anyone who holds BLT near to their heart but I am really shocked by my experience and would like to hear everyone's thoughts.
 

Tinkerbell397

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I am sorry for your negative impression and experience at BLT. I would have taken pictures and made a complaint to the management. A Disney trip is a very special trip and an expensive one...everything should be as "magical" as possible and it sounds like you trip was more of a nightmare. I have never stayed at BLT but I have been to Disneyworld 12 times and I have never had anything but a positive experience with the resorts and housekeeping. The rooms have always been kept to Disney standard from arrival to departure. Again...sorry for your experience and i hope the rest of your trip was a good one. :cat:
 

LAM378

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Original Poster
Thank you, @Tinkerbell397 ! :) I took pictures and will be sending them with a letter, although I know that's fruitless at this point. Management seemed nonexistent at BLT and I was too tired to argue/persist more.

The rest of the trip was awesome, though, everything I hoped WDW would be and more!
 

cw1982

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Glad the rest of the trip was great.

I can't fathom management being consistently "unavailable." Knowing me, that would have made me mad enough that I would have caused a huge scene. Not necessarily a good thing on my part, but hey... at least I'm honest ;) Sounds like they are getting so many complaints that management is refusing to meet with disgruntled guests. How disappointing.

Sorry that the hotel was so rough, but I'm glad you didn't let it ruin your trip :)
 

cw1982

Well-Known Member
Were you asking for management at BLT or at the Contemporary front desk? I believe managers are stationed in CR.

If that was the case, couldn't a cm have simply told her to visit the other desk? IMO that still doesn't make refusing to get a supervisor's attention acceptable. Surely there had to be someone there who had decision making aurhority, even if they were in another building.
 

jeffk410

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Interesting, we checked in on Sunday the 18th as well. I couldn't agree with your post anymore. I did not enjoy my stay there. Was quite difficult going from AKL, which I love, to BLT. There was pizza sauce all over my curtains. The room took a long time to be ready and the CM's truthfully did not seem to know what they were doing.

I plan on going more in-depth in my trip report. I won't go as far as saying I will never stay there again, but definitely was not impressed.
 

harveyt0206

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Spiders.....*shivers*. Can't stand the little eight legged *@$#%. The whole situation sounds horrible. It might be worth a letter to DVC or whoever...
 

Dwarful

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I don't care if you are staying at a value, mod or deluxe. With the prices they charge everything should be neat, tidy, clean and in working order. I am not a picky person, but we have had issues at least once at every level. Broken fixtures, moldy shower curtains, stained sheets, dirty restrooms, etc., I think mouse keeping has started to slide, management isn't staying on top of it like they used to and people just get too tired to 'deal with it' on top of the stress of the trip. Little things pile up and then become bigger issues. But honestly spider webs, dirty bathrooms and sticky messes are not OK.

I would try to give it another shot...but it is hard to do with those prices.
 

kasey1988

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This is not okay at all! I am sorry you experienced this weather this is a value, moderate, deluxe or dvc it is not disney standards! I would be very disappointed and would contact disney directly and give them he photos and "upcoming refurb" is not a valid excuse!
 

DisneyJoe

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If that was the case, couldn't a cm have simply told her to visit the other desk? IMO that still doesn't make refusing to get a supervisor's attention acceptable. Surely there had to be someone there who had decision making aurhority, even if they were in another building.
They should have, yes; there was no excuse for any of it.

I once had a luggage issue at Pop Century that took over 30 minutes for me to resolve in person (with 2 hours on the phone prior to that from SSR), and only because I was patient enough to wait for the luggage manager. I had to let them know that I wasn't budging until I spoke to someone about it, since I felt the entire situation was unacceptable. It was eventually resolved to my satisfaction.

Personally, I would have asked to be moved to another room in your situation.
 

LAM378

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Original Poster
Were you asking for management at BLT or at the Contemporary front desk? I believe managers are stationed in CR.

I was asking at BLT. I didn't know til your post that managers are at CR. I asked 3 times for a manager and 3 times was told, "He/she just left" and "would be back in a little while, is there anything I can help you with?" etc.

An upcoming refurb?!?!? The place is new! Wow sorry this happened. I am a pretty laid back minimalist but I do not like it when living quarters, especially bathrooms, are dirty.

I can't speak for any other villas but mine was pretty beat up. Again, nothing I couldn't live with, but still very shabby. Like the Jersey shore motels I used to stay at in my 20s :rolleyes:. I have no idea if there really is a refurb coming, but that's what the CM said when I said I needed to speak to a manager about the room's condition. He was instantly apologetic and started talking about a refurb next year, before I clarified it was about cleanliness. Makes me think a lot of people complain about the state of the villas, since he jumped all over that.

Interesting, we checked in on Sunday the 18th as well. I couldn't agree with your post anymore. I did not enjoy my stay there. Was quite difficult going from AKL, which I love, to BLT. There was pizza sauce all over my curtains. The room took a long time to be ready and the CM's truthfully did not seem to know what they were doing.

Sunday the 18th was chaos in that lobby! I'm glad someone else was there the same day and agrees. I had a very hard time adjusting to BLT from YC so I know how that feels, too. I look forward to reading your trip report!

Spiders.....*shivers*. Can't stand the little eight legged *@$#%. The whole situation sounds horrible. It might be worth a letter to DVC or whoever...

Yeah, a letter is going out. I'm sure I'm not the only one with these issues, and if enough people complain, maybe they'll listen. The spider thing was probably the most maddening because you couldn't NOT see this thing. I expect bugs in Florida but not the same exact dead bug through 3 housekeepings!

I think mouse keeping has started to slide, management isn't staying on top of it like they used to and people just get too tired to 'deal with it' on top of the stress of the trip.

This is probably exactly right. Truly, I'm not a picky person, and I didn't expect either resort room to be perfect based on what I read here and elsewhere about WDW lately. Even YC, which was great, had its issues: peeling wallpaper in the room and halls, wonky elevators, some yucky shower tiles, lots of empty room service trays lingering in the hallways for a full day at a time. But my room was clean! The negatives barely registered until I was home and better rested--I was so busy going going going I just never stopped to care while I was at YC.
 

LAM378

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Personally, I would have asked to be moved to another room in your situation.

Sorry @DisneyJoe , I forgot to quote you in my last post!

If I'd been staying even one more night I'd have demanded a move. But this was only a 2-night stay and my family was already frustrated at our really disorganized split stay (for which I take most of the blame). I'd been all over the parks for 6 days and just did...not...want to move again. That's why I just kept asking for a real cleaning.

One way or another, I learned a lot of lessons from this trip, and I'll never settle for anything like that again.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
After experiencing a Disney Cruise and the Disneyland hotel, I can't make excuses for the state much of the WDW resorts seem to be falling into. But, things happen, and if your dirty room slipped through the cracks, Here's how I think your story should have gone once you brought it to the CMs attention...

"Hi, my name is Bob and I hope you are having a magical day! How may I help you?

"I'm not, I'm sorry. My room is filthy, and we just checked in!"

"I am so sorry about that, ma'am. Can you give me a little more detail so I can make sure this is corrected for you?"

"Yes, there are grime and fingerprints everywhere, and there's even a dead spider in an old web under the counter!"

"Oh, my! Again, I apologize! We allow 5 foot mice in our hotels, but not spiders! (With a big grin) I will certainly take care of this for you. Can you wait for a moment please?"

(Asks another CM to cover the front desk).

"Ok, I got my spot covered. Do you mind if we walk up to your room together so I can see exactly what you are talking about? I want to make sure this is addressed, because this is certainly not the experience we want you to have!"

(Walks up to room, and asks the guest to show exactly what she thinks is wrong. Even if the CM disagrees, or thinks she's being nitpicky, he never says that outloud. Instead, makes mental notes of the things the Guest points out because these are the things this guest is going to check later for)

"Thank you for showing me, and I agree, this is unacceptable. Let me get the head of Mousekeeping in here so we can get these items corrected for you, and be sure this is addressed with our Mousekeepers so this never happens again! Are you and your family planning on going to a Park tonight? You are? Great! When do you plan to return? 10p? Fantastic. I promise, when you get back, these issues will be resolved! Again, my name is Bob, and once more I apologize for this. I will make sure you are taken care if. Now, go have a magical time at the parks and don't worry about this any longer!"

(After the family leaves, Bob contacts a head Mousekeeper and asks them to join him in the room. He shows the specific issues mentioned, and shares that he would like them to contact him when it's been corrected, and that it must be done before 9p (note, not 10p...why? Because Bob is going to check at 9p, and if it isn't done properly, he still has time to correct the issue before the family is slated to return)

Mousekeeping calls Bob at 8:30 to report the room issues have been addressed. Bob covers the front desk again and checks the room. On his way, he hikes over to the gift shop at Contemporary and snags two small die cast monorail trains (Bob noted the family had two kids) and two small Mickey plush dolls (chef Mickey if they have them).

He then swings by The Atrium club level and snags two plates of the goodies they put out for club level members.

He goes back to the room and finds that Mousekeeping did a pretty good job! They did, however, forget to clean under the TV. So, he swings down the hall and snags a wash towel and some pledge. He also picks up a few large bath towels. He goes back to the room and cleans this up.

The room to his satisfaction, Bob folds the towels into towel animals (something Disney should train any hotel Staff how to do) and places one on each bed.

He arranges the goodies and toys on the table in an attractive way, and then leaves a handwritten note folded there.

It reads:

"Dear ???? Family,

I hope you will accept these items as tokens of my apology. I am truly sorry that your room was in the condition you found it. We at Disney want to provide families, like yours, the best and most magical experiences in the World. I hope this situation has not tainted your vacation or your opinion of our resort experience.

If there is anything else you require, please do not hesitate to contact the Front Desk. We will be sure to resolve your issue to the best of our abilities.

I hope you and your family are having a magical trip, and I wish you all the best!

Sincerely,

Bob"

Now, just imagine if THAT had happened, what this thread would have been about?
 

LAM378

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Original Poster
Now, just imagine if THAT had happened, what this thread would have been about?

englanddg, that was AWESOME. This thread would have been very, very different if even a fraction of that hypothetical scenario had taken place, and I would have been singing the praises of that CM (and BLT) here!

Your post reminds me of how things would go in the old days of WDW. My mom was a travel agent (specializing in Disney vacations) and the staff would bend over backwards to make sure every little thing was magical and incredible and that negatives weren't just addressed, they were made up for. And it wasn't just for her, because she was a TA--they'd do the same thing for her clients, for every single guest. I knew going into this trip that I wouldn't find service like that, and I'm not a nitpicker so I didn't care, but the difference is striking.

Out of the maybe 20 CMs I saw/interacted with in any way at BLT over those 2 days, only one seemed like a "real" WDW CM. He was only there for the few hours I was waiting for my villa to be "cleaned." I kept looking out for him, in particular, but never saw him again once I had these issues. I know there are still great, fun, conscientious CMs to be found, because I met them at YC (and in passing at the 6 other resorts I visited). But they weren't in great supply at BLT.
 

Magenta Panther

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I'm a little reluctant to post this but I'm wondering if my experience at BLT was unique.

I only stayed for 2 nights last week so my impression is by no means well-rounded.

We checked in to a 1br villa around 1 pm last Sunday--a hectic day, I know. The villa was not ready, so we hung out at the pool. 4 pm comes, then 5, and the room is still not ready, because it's being cleaned. I actually got a spiel from a CM about how much longer it takes housekeeping to clean villas in between guests. Good thing I was checking at the front desk every 20 minutes because the room ready text just never came.

Finally, at 6:30 pm, our villa is ready...and it's gross. The sheets were clean, thank goodness, but the bathrooms and kitchen looked like they'd just been swiped at with a wet rag. You could still feel dirt and yuck on the counters. There's a big spider web with a dead spider in it hanging on the diagonal off the island. There was hair in both tubs. The ottoman/tray is covered in sticky spills. Every doorknob and every vertical surface is filthy, every door and cabinet has fingerprints and stickiness all over it. The table under the TV has candy or something stuck everywhere. Even the door to the villa is disgusting.

I'm not good at complaining, but I go to the front desk and ask for a manager to talk about the condition of my room. The CM says no manager is available and starts apologizing about the rooms--talking about an upcoming refurb. I'm like no, no--it's just gross. He looks disgusted when I explain, and promises to have housekeeping clean it again when we go out that night.

When we returned, the hair was out of the tub but everything else was the same, including the spider web. I was too tired to fight it and went to sleep, but by this time I was super skeeved out and didn't want to touch anything in the villa. You couldn't have paid me to eat with one of the supplied forks.

We leave for HS the next morning, come back after a "cleaning," and the room is exactly the same (and so is the spiderweb!). Again I go to the front desk to ask for a manager. Again, no manager, but I get a sympathetic CM who gave me a $100 room credit and 3 Fastpasses for that evening.

In retrospect, I probably should have argued for a larger room credit, but by that time I was 6 days into an exhausting trip and just had no fight in me.

But really, it was appalling. I was preoccupied with the actual filth, but like the first CM indicated, the villa really was in need of a refurb. The carpet and couch were stained beyond belief, the walls and wood furniture had big gouges, the pocket doors didn't lock and just sort of swayed in the breeze (so, no privacy). These things would have bothered me more had I not been worried about spiders and hair and stickiness.

I wonder, too, if the fingerprints everywhere had to
do with the materials used--the dark wood and stainless steel and light fabrics and whatever the pocket doors are made of. These are materials you really have to scrub to shine them up, and are probably the worst choice for a resort full of families. That's no excuse for making me live in some other family's mess, but it makes me think my situation can't be unique.

Overall, BLT didn't do it for me and that's disappointing, because I wanted to love it. This was kind of a test run for a big trip with my sister's family next year. I love CR but something about BLT felt even more sterile (outside my room, that is). The location could not be beat, but if I wasn't standing in a spot that had a view of the monorail or Space Mountain, I could have been at any hotel in the world. No really good CMs, which was extra disappointing coming from YC, where the CMs were spectacular. I could have lived with all that, but the room itself just left the worst taste in my mouth (and the worst film on my skin).

Again, not trying to alienate anyone who holds BLT near to their heart but I am really shocked by my experience and would like to hear everyone's thoughts.


Good for you for speaking up, and if I were you, I'd make as much noise about that awful room as I could to the Disney crew. Write them a letter, give them a call, and let them know you posted about your experience online. What you experienced is inexcusable. I'm happy to say that I have never gotten a room at WDW that wasn't clean and in good shape, but if I ever get one in the condition you're describing, you better believe I'd complain. The parks and hotels cost too darn much to tolerate such a below-par experience. Thanks for your review.
 

GymLeaderPhil

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You have the patience of a saint for the price point of six nights at Bay Lake Tower. It looks like the Front Desk/Concierge was giving you the run around to get a manager, incorrectly providing recovery instead of fixing the issue, and not partnering with Housekeeping to follow through with what you came down there for.

I urge you to contact Walt Disney World either by snail or email at:

Walt Disney World Guest Communications
PO Box 10040
Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830

wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com
 

LAM378

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Original Poster
You have the patience of a saint for the price point of six nights at Bay Lake Tower. It looks like the Front Desk/Concierge was giving you the run around to get a manager, incorrectly providing recovery instead of fixing the issue, and not partnering with Housekeeping to follow through with what you came down there for.

Nonono, only 2 nights, GymLeaderPhil! I would have found it in me to flip out (and demanded a move to a different resort entirely) if I'd had to stay there 6 nights! ;) That said, what I paid for the room for 2 nights was way, way too high for what I received.

And thanks for the info. I was actually afraid to post this thread, but all the encouragement got me to start working on my letter to WDW tonight!
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
englanddg, that was AWESOME. This thread would have been very, very different if even a fraction of that hypothetical scenario had taken place, and I would have been singing the praises of that CM (and BLT) here!

Your post reminds me of how things would go in the old days of WDW. My mom was a travel agent (specializing in Disney vacations) and the staff would bend over backwards to make sure every little thing was magical and incredible and that negatives weren't just addressed, they were made up for. And it wasn't just for her, because she was a TA--they'd do the same thing for her clients, for every single guest. I knew going into this trip that I wouldn't find service like that, and I'm not a nitpicker so I didn't care, but the difference is striking.

Out of the maybe 20 CMs I saw/interacted with in any way at BLT over those 2 days, only one seemed like a "real" WDW CM. He was only there for the few hours I was waiting for my villa to be "cleaned." I kept looking out for him, in particular, but never saw him again once I had these issues. I know there are still great, fun, conscientious CMs to be found, because I met them at YC (and in passing at the 6 other resorts I visited). But they weren't in great supply at BLT.
I am glad you liked it. I worked a long time in Customer Service, and it's really not that hard. I don't see why they seem to have so much trouble with it...though, I have my suspicions, and it all relates to self-important management who refuses to empower their staff, and also refuses to teach those who are customer facing how to deal with situations.

My post may seem, to the person receiving it, like it was excellent service, and, in a way, it is. But, it's also a specific psychological process to be sure the resort controls your experience. The words I used were chosen with care to defuse the situation, and personalize the experience.

For example...

The reason Bob took ownership of the problem, even personally apologizing for it, even though Mousekeeping probably isn't his responsibility and it would be easy for him to sluff it off, is that Bob knows (because he's been taught) that it isn't his responsibility to make sure the room is clean. But it IS his responsibility to be sure every Guest leaves happy, within reason. And, since he's assigned to the Front Desk, which means he will be dealing with these sorts of Guest Issues, he knows that his responsibility is to do just that, again, within reason.

The reason Bob went up that room with you, while to the Guest it seems like he really cares...he doesn't have to really care, but this step is important. He just wants to know the specifics that set you off so he can get them fixed so you stop complaining. Then, if you come back later with the same complaint, it's much harder, because, he did ask you to show him, right? Or, if you try and escalate the complaint later, again, it's harder for you to hold your ground when someone asked you to specifically define your issues and took the time to investigate them with you.

It's also much harder for most people to be upset in the long term when their complaints are personalized...so, by taking ownership of the issue, Bob makes you feel less like a cog in the machine, and more like the resort really cares. As a result, you are less likely to complain in the future about other things, and more likely to be patient with the measures taken.

The CM you ran across was obviously empowered, but poorly educated as to how to deal with the issue...he makes excuses and (a term I would use)"gives away the house". A room credit is nice...but less meaningful and less personal.

The toys cost far less than the room credit you got, yet...somehow would have meant more to you and your family, I suspect...not because of what they are, but because of how they were presented.

Issuing a room credit feels like a shallow response...like he's politely saying "I don't care, get out of my face"

Wha I posted is teachable. I've done it many times. But, it is also systematic.
 
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