bsiev1977
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Not to be nitpicky, but could you edit your post to add in some punctuation marks? You may have a very valid point, but a sentence that long hurts my eyes.
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MuppetVision 3D closing for a month-long refurbishment in the summer
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FigmentsFangirl
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Interactive que ? You mean like Space mountain where the guy in front of you sits there while playing a game to hold up the line ? Or is this more like props and stuff one sees while in line and in that waiting area inside the theature before getting seated ?
Personally for proper updating I'd think upon leaving the theatre they'd at least having a leaving vestibule like when entering, what they have, just plain open nada needs upkeep or at least to look like you're not out of the theatre yet!
Now I admit too that some of the affects need timing work, though I am worried it will be too different when I go back, I hope to go this summer before they close it
Personally for proper updating I'd think upon leaving the theatre they'd at least having a leaving vestibule like when entering, what they have, just plain open nada needs upkeep or at least to look like you're not out of the theatre yet!
Now I admit too that some of the affects need timing work, though I am worried it will be too different when I go back, I hope to go this summer before they close it
MerlinTheGoat
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While I don't disagree with such quotes by any means, the problem is that Walt made them with the assumption that the new elements would be improvements over the previous attraction. When he was in charge of the company (and for some time after his death), this was a fair assumption. But in the past couple of decades, it has sadly become naive to assume they'll create a worthy replacement for any classics they replace.
Epcot is a perfect example of that still ongoing problem. Absolutely none of the attractions that replaced World of Motion, Horizons or Imagination have come anywhere close to being as good as those rides were (essentially every single change made to the park post 1994 refurb of SSE has been a major letdown if not abject failure). And with more and more creative talent being purged from the company, continual short sighted and crippling budget restrictions, and physical show sets and animatronics being considered "passé" by the company (now being replaced by video screens), it has become even more dire for new attractions replacing older ones. At the very least in regards to WDW.
If Disney actually came up with a concept wholly superior to Jungle Cruise and gave it the budget and talent it needed to succeed, then i'd agree with that completely. But I am not at all convinced that the current leadership is capable or willing to do that at all. If it can't be assumed that what we'll get as a replacement will be better than what was there, then the original needs to be preserved until someone else is placed in power who is capable and willing to do such a thing. Otherwise we're just likely to get dumbed down replacements ala Epcot.
Californian Elitist
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Jungle Cruise is eleven years older than "small world."
I'd take Jungle Cruise over "small world" any day, but that's me.
Magenta Panther
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Yeah, good point. We could wind up with the Jungle Cruise version of "Journey into Imagination".
Sped2424
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lol took you long enough to pounce.
mousehockey37
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The good thing of the refurb is that the show needs it. The bad thing about the refurb is that it's NOT what DHS needs. There's not really enough there to start with, and now this will be down for a little bit of time. For those that say about Toy Story Mania, um... people kill time by going to Muppet Vision so they can wait for their fastpasses for TSMM... There's a little of everything in DHS, but not enough of everything to keep people occupied. DHS is a park where you go do TSMM then whatever else you want and then you hop a bus and go somewhere else for the day.
tissandtully
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...and TOT...and ST... and RnRC.. Rides that I can go on multiple times combined in the time it takes to wait in standby for TSMM. I think ST2.0 is seriously underrated by fanboys and doesn't he the recognition it deserves. The stuff they do with that ride is pretty impressive.
Andrew Drummond
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I may not be with the majority here, but I think you are being a little harsh criticizing a month long refurb by saying they should build a new headliner instead. They really are two projects of vastly different scale.
Whether or not there are long term plans to replace or build new attractions, fans as a group should be happy when Disney takes a month to refurb an attraction. It shows that even for the minor scale things, they still want to get them back to a better condition.
mousehockey37
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What I'm saying is that unfortunately, depending on the guests in the park, there's not exactly a ton of stuff to do at DHS. The refurb is much needed, and I'm glad it's being done. As others stated, muppet theater can hold a good amount of people for each show, and with that going down, it may put some strain on some other attractions in the park for this amount of time. Once again, when you only have so many options and you take one away, there's only so many things left to do.
tissandtully
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I don't think it eats as much of the crowd as it should. I haven't been in a full theater in a while
mousehockey37
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I don't think it eats as much of the crowd as it should. I haven't been in a full theater in a while
Well, if improvements are made, it could fill the theater. Like we've speculated, it's probably not going to deal with the show itself. I agree, updating the show to have some of the more "current" muppets and cast would be great, but doesn't seem to be in the game plan.
Cosmic Commando
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It does have some things that date it: there's no such thing as static on TVs anymore and the clothes on the "outside" part at the end are awesomely 1990. for starters. It IS a good movie, though. Pushing out an old attraction just because it's old is what got us Journey into YOUR Imagination. Look at everything "Muppets" that has come out since 1995 or so, Disney-produced or not... do you really think that they could improve on the current movie?
FigmentFan284
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Has anyone seen any updates on what the refurbishment entails? My wife and I are going at the end of September and planned to skip it as we've seen it twice before, but won't if there's a significant update/change.
Captain Neo
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I guess if they are upgrading it the Muppets area isn't going anywhere for a long time. I figured this would be where they were putting the Star Wars 3D movie with Yoda
raymusiccity
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That's what happens when you use software instead of taking the time to actually 'type' a response.
WDWFREAK53
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You say it's cheesy to the Nth degree...umm...isn't that the point of it? It's the cheesiness that adds to the jokes.
Jungle Cruise is my #2 attraction in the park (behind Haunted Mansion). There is nothing like the Jungle Cruise at night with a great skipper.
The Sorcerers Aprentice
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Is there any chance that Disney could release this and the preshow on Dvd/Bluray, possibly with Season 4 of The Muppet Show?