Mousetrapped 2010

[ChrisFL]

One advantage of the Disney unions for CMs is that they often get paid OT for working over 8 hours in a single day, not just if they work over 40 hours in a work week.

For a lot of people, they do work 12-13 hour shifts, so it can make up for the fees associated with the union

 

[Main Street USA]

Nothing you quoted of mine was condescending. In fact, up until this post I've managed to try to talk around anything that may sound rude, but since you've managed to be offended while managing to mangle everything I've said, I'll just go ahead and be straightforward this time.

The whole reason why I started commenting on this thread, Main Street USA, is because of your comment and the union in question involves my wages as well as my coworkers. But why are you making such a deal anyway about it? It isn't your job that we are talking about. So why does this make you want to protest a raise for someone else?

I'm sure you wouldn't have commented to all of the other people that agree with me, right? I didn't make a big deal about it, and I'm still not. I'm responding to your consistency in changing what I'm saying to be the most horrible thing in the world. I'm not "protesting" your raise, but if you want me to, here goes...$13.57 is more than reasonable for a custodial position, no matter the years of service.

How 'bout this. Next time your employer plans to give you a raise, have them call me. I'll talk them out of it. Because that's what you are trying to do to someone else.

My employer knows what I'm worth to the company and I'm realistic about what I should be paid for the work that I do. That's where you and I differ. I can give them your number, though. I'm pretty sure the conversation will be short.

You really haven't looked at the "why" in the situation. Why are they asking for more money? Did you ever think about the commitment that 20-year custodian made to the company? That kind of dedication should be rewarded for someone working for a company that is built on customer service and high standards that other companies copy or strive to achieve.

I'm sure that's why a 20 year company veteran stuck around..."for the company." Yeah, right. I think it's nothing more than a sense of entitlement that gives you the idea that you deserve a "reward" for staying with a company for a certain period of time. What would you suggest? They've given the raises as promised up until the top out point for the position. Ok, now what? Yep, 20 years is dedication, for sure, but why have you been there that long if you feel so strongly that you're being taken advantage of?

I don't plan on staying in this role forever. But I'm not fighting just for myself. My coworkers are the ones I feel it most for. A friend I work with will celebrate 35 years with the company next spring. She's worked 2 full-time job for over 20 years. We're not talking about her needing to make $20/hour but shouldn't that kind of dedication reap some kind of extra wage?

Should it? She's been given the opportunity to have her job for that long and work for a well-respected, well-known, strong company? That's great! Extra wage? You get other benefits with that kind of longevity, like park admission for friends on a daily basis, etc. These are still regular theme park positions we're talking about, here, which means these are the types of benefits you'll get.

The union is simply trying to make the current executives stand up and listen to what Walt Disney said about it's cast members. Can you remember? Read my signature.

I see your signature, and it couldn't be more true, but what does that have to do with the wage that they're paying you? The answer is 'nothing.' That signature means that Walt Disney recognized the importance of good people throughout the company, no matter how low or high the position on the corporate ladder. They're ALL important, but that doesn't mean that a ticket taker or a custodian should earn a wage higher than he or she would be paid elsewhere.

I'd love to quit my job and come work at WDW, but I'd have to drastically change my family's lifestyle to do that. It's not worth it, in my opinion. But that's MY opinion. Your opinion clearly differs, as you and your coworkers have CLEARLY made the CHOICE to stay at WDW for an extended period of time. Right? Right. CHOICE. FREEDOM. You have both. Be thankful you have a job with a great company to go along with it...that is, of course, if that's what YOU want.

 

[Main Street USA]

After 13 or so years on Disney theme park message boards, that has to be one of the most awesomely unrelated replies to one of my posts ever. I wanted to quote the whole thing just to preserve it in its grand entirety.

I completely believe that there is a policy that states concierge desk CM's aren't supposed to take tips. But what I also know is that tipping a hotel concierge is a widely established travel industry practice, and Disney must be one of the only hotels to officially ban that practice. Interestingly, they don't mention it on their Disney hotel websites or in signage at the concierge desks. It's a little secret they may tell you if you ask the manager, apparently.

What I also know from years of personal experience is that Disney club level concierges are gladly taking my tips within seconds of me extending the cash in my hand without so much as a peep about "Oh, no, that's not neccesary sir".

As for "wal-marting" the Disney experience, I've found it's exactly the opposite as the concierges to be extremely helpful in getting quick and easy access to the top tier Disney experiences like dinner shows, great restaurants, spa appointments, etc. And they always get a nice tip from me for that, too. :lol:

Not sure where you got the idea that I'm a "conservative". I live quite a decadent, heathen lifestyle in fact. But the angry label at least gave me a chuckle, so thanks for the laugh.

Disney Concierge Cast Members, like any other hotel concierge in America, regularly and gladly accept cash gratuities from hotel guests for concierge services rendered.

Shock and Awe!

LOL. Nicely done.

 

[ABigBrassBand]

Is it out yet? If so, linky?

 

[raven]

One advantage of the Disney unions for CMs is that they often get paid OT for working over 8 hours in a single day, not just if they work over 40 hours in a work week.

Not true. You have to work over 40 hours in the week before you get your OT pay.

Be thankful you have a job with a great company to go along with it...that is, of course, if that's what YOU want.

I am thankful. But our raise is not your concern. I still don't know why you are throwing a big stink about the whole situation when it doesn't even involve you. If people want to try to get more money from their jobs let them try. No need to step in protest it since it isn't your job.

 

[draybook]

Nothing you quoted of mine was condescending. In fact, up until this post I've managed to try to talk around anything that may sound rude, but since you've managed to be offended while managing to mangle everything I've said, I'll just go ahead and be straightforward this time.



I'm sure you wouldn't have commented to all of the other people that agree with me, right? I didn't make a big deal about it, and I'm still not. I'm responding to your consistency in changing what I'm saying to be the most horrible thing in the world. I'm not "protesting" your raise, but if you want me to, here goes...$13.57 is more than reasonable for a custodial position, no matter the years of service.



My employer knows what I'm worth to the company and I'm realistic about what I should be paid for the work that I do. That's where you and I differ. I can give them your number, though. I'm pretty sure the conversation will be short.



I'm sure that's why a 20 year company veteran stuck around..."for the company." Yeah, right. I think it's nothing more than a sense of entitlement that gives you the idea that you deserve a "reward" for staying with a company for a certain period of time. What would you suggest? They've given the raises as promised up until the top out point for the position. Ok, now what? Yep, 20 years is dedication, for sure, but why have you been there that long if you feel so strongly that you're being taken advantage of?



Should it? She's been given the opportunity to have her job for that long and work for a well-respected, well-known, strong company? That's great! Extra wage? You get other benefits with that kind of longevity, like park admission for friends on a daily basis, etc. These are still regular theme park positions we're talking about, here, which means these are the types of benefits you'll get.



I see your signature, and it couldn't be more true, but what does that have to do with the wage that they're paying you? The answer is 'nothing.' That signature means that Walt Disney recognized the importance of good people throughout the company, no matter how low or high the position on the corporate ladder. They're ALL important, but that doesn't mean that a ticket taker or a custodian should earn a wage higher than he or she would be paid elsewhere.

I'd love to quit my job and come work at WDW, but I'd have to drastically change my family's lifestyle to do that. It's not worth it, in my opinion. But that's MY opinion. Your opinion clearly differs, as you and your coworkers have CLEARLY made the CHOICE to stay at WDW for an extended period of time. Right? Right. CHOICE. FREEDOM. You have both. Be thankful you have a job with a great company to go along with it...that is, of course, if that's what YOU want.

I hope that the next time you go to WDW, a CM decides to ________ in your coke. Then when you complain here we can say, "well, that's what happens when you just bring in a HS grad to a no skill, dead end job".


And it wasn't just Raven that was offended by your remarks. I find them insulting too. If it weren't for the little people that clean the park and maintain it, the VP's wouldn't have a nice paying job in the end. So yeah, maybe they could do without that nice 2 million dollar bonus and spread it around. And I'm just making that number up so let's not jumping around getting hot about it.

I work for a Fortune 18 Medical Supply Company and I would have no problem with the custodian here making more than $14.

 

[Main Street USA]

Not true. You have to work over 40 hours in the week before you get your OT pay.



I am thankful. But our raise is not your concern. I still don't know why you are throwing a big stink about the whole situation when it doesn't even involve you. If people want to try to get more money from their jobs let them try. No need to step in protest it since it isn't your job.

It's an internet forum, dude. People discuss things and give their opinion. It's not rocket science.

 

[Main Street USA]

I hope that the next time you go to WDW, a CM decides to ________ in your coke. Then when you complain here we can say, "well, that's what happens when you just bring in a HS grad to a no skill, dead end job".


And it wasn't just Raven that was offended by your remarks. I find them insulting too. If it weren't for the little people that clean the park and maintain it, the VP's wouldn't have a nice paying job in the end. So yeah, maybe they could do without that nice 2 million dollar bonus and spread it around. And I'm just making that number up so let's not jumping around getting hot about it.

I work for a Fortune 18 Medical Supply Company and I would have no problem with the custodian here making more than $14.

But the custodian doesn't make more than $14 an hour, because he shouldn't. You don't read well, oh wait, you may read well, but you skip the part where I've said 1000 times now that I agree that the CMs are very important. Knowing how much you should be paid for doing a certain job is another issue.

Read, then understand, then comment. I'm done with both of you.

 

[ABigBrassBand]

Just watched it, and I think they're missing something vital; this isn't just Disney, this is the current economy. They could have easily made it about any other company, but having it be about Disney obviously makes the headlines (as previously discussed in the Celebration Homicide Thread). No, I don't agree with anything that the evil corporations that run the economy, but I don't think that Disney is any different; it is (to the bone) a corporation that runs on money, because frankly that is what corporations run on, and people have to get used to it or think of a better system for the economy to use. Whining about it will get you nowhere.

 

[jt04]

youve heard in this thread from someone working that position who told you what i said was truth. My girlfriends father used to work concierge at GF, but i suppose hes a liar too we are all making this up.. right?

or maybe is the reality is when you hear the truth, like most "conservatives" you stick your head in the sand and say its a big bad lie, it cant possibly be true because its antithetical to your viewpoint and uninformed opinion? There is no POSSIBLE way you could be wrong... right?

Guess what... Disney pretty much IS an alternate reality compared to other employers. They get away with things and have policies other places could never get away with.

Heres one for ya... I've brought up here before.. My SO has a job that requires a degree at Disney, and has a BA, working on her masters... and has been with disney for nearly 10 years... want to venture a guess how much she makes an hour? anyone?



just over 14.00...

"oh well why doesnt she just leave?"
Well first, the issue of tenure and not losing some of the few things she has earned there over the years, like the ability to pick her days off and vacation days. second....have you seen the central Florida job market? I am a web designer/fitness trainer with a degree who used to make 40 an hour who spent nearly 3 years unemployed... the last 6 months i was applying for every position possible even grocery stores and mcdonalds and couldnt get a job still... I finally found a job to get me by working in a call center. Do you know how many other people in that call center are in the same position I am? Degrees, experience and making 10-14 an hr on 23hr weeks? about half of the 50 on my shift. Guy next to me has multiple degrees and 10yrs experience in the IT field, but after a year needed something to help pay the bills while looking for more work. gotta feed the kids... So, im sitting in a call center, scraping by, as we live off of her meager income and i prepare to start living off student loan living expenses while returning to school to go to med school...

So do you think its easy for someone to find a decent job here right now? If so please I welcome you to do so.

welcome to reality... its worse than you think.


but since you like to throw personal insults at people, and talk about what you think of people and your judgments.

ill throw out mine.
People like you are human garbage. thank you.

mindsets like yours have led to the wal-marting of this country. If you want a wal-mart like experience at Disney, fine... but dont complain about how good it USED to be.

Sounds like your troubles started after January 2007 like so many others. Something to ponder about that date. January 2007.

Anyway, I admire anybody who is willing to do what it takes to make a living. I have had to do that.

But the way your attutude changes towards tp2000 from when you think he is a "conservative" to when he claims he is a "heathen" is nothing short of awesome. You made my brain implode for a moment. So decadence and heathen seems OK, but conservative is bad?:lol: :hammer:

Conservatism will save this country. Real Conservatism that is.

 

[ABigBrassBand]

Conservatism will save this country. Real Conservatism that is.

I'd have to disagree, just because of how absurd that sounds. This country was built on liberal ideals for the most part, and I don't see that tradition changing anytime soon.

Also, if people want to take action you don't want to try and make the news for insulting Disney, you would want to widen your horizons and make a documentary about the economy in general and actually do something. If someone starts something that looks like it could actually work, I'll stand behind it 100%.

 

[ChrisFL]

Not true. You have to work over 40 hours in the week before you get your OT pay

It was definitely true in 2008, unless it got changed

 

[jt04]

I'd have to disagree, just because of how absurd that sounds. This country was built on liberal ideals for the most part, and I don't see that tradition changing anytime soon.

People too often use and abuse the word 'liberal' to fit whatever agenda they are pushing. That trick does not fly with me. Modern liberalism has nothing in common with the founding of the nation. There is no way I am getting dragged into such a debate on this forum. I already know what your angle is and it is a non-starter with me. Such a conversation can only be productive if both parties are at least somewhat grounded in an intellectually honest premise.

I'm fortunate enough to be intellectually curious mixed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Therefore I was able to avoid being indoctrinated throughout my life. I have studied the subject. Modern liberalism only destroys. Well, except for a very select elite at the top. The evidence is overwhelming.

Goodnight. :wave:

 

[ABigBrassBand]

People too often use and abuse the word 'liberal' to fit whatever agenda they are pushing. That trick does not fly with me. Modern liberalism has nothing in common with the founding of the nation. There is no way I am getting dragged into such a debate on this forum. I already know what your angle is and it is a non-starter with me. Such a conversation can only be productive if both parties are at least somewhat grounded in an intellectually honest premise.

I'm fortunate enough to be intellectually curious mixed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Therefore I was able to avoid being indoctrinated throughout my life. I have studied the subject. Modern liberalism only destroys. Well, except for a very select elite at the top. The evidence is overwhelming.

Goodnight. :wave:

To assume what my stance is is also absurd, and frankly without things such as slave abolition and Bacon's Rebellion, I don't know how this country would be :shrug:...but that isn't a discussion for here, so I bid you a good night. :wave:

 

[draybook]

But the custodian doesn't make more than $14 an hour, because he shouldn't. You don't read well, oh wait, you may read well, but you skip the part where I've said 1000 times now that I agree that the CMs are very important. Knowing how much you should be paid for doing a certain job is another issue.

Read, then understand, then comment. I'm done with both of you.

Well I'm not done with you. Who the F are you to decide who deserves what wages? Have you turned any water into wine lately?

Just because you THINK (ie see opinion as you stated earlier) that it doesn't take any skill or education to do this stuff, that makes your opinion the scope at which these people should get paid?


I have no idea how much our custodian makes but I know it's not $14 simply because he's only been there for about 4 years. I'm sure he's close to 12, maybe 12.5 though. You say the CM's are important yet you don't want to recognize that they should be paid accordingly.

It bothers me that in this country we pay our athletes millions of dollars yet people that make our priceless memories with our children are barely making it. But hey, according to some people here, they're just mindless idiots that are too stupid or too lazy to get a "real" job.

 

[TP2000]

But the way your attutude changes towards tp2000 from when you think he is a "conservative" to when he claims he is a "heathen" is nothing short of awesome. You made my brain implode for a moment. So decadence and heathen seems OK, but conservative is bad?:lol: :hammer:

It made your head explode? You should have seen the look on my face.

Would now be a good time to admit publicly that in 1992 I voted for Perot? :zipit:

 

[TP2000]

LOL. Nicely done.

Thank you. You are holding your own here with this one as well. :wave:

 

[TP2000]

I am thankful. But our raise is not your concern.

With all due respect raven, as I enjoy your posts in this forum, this entire topic was created when the Services Trades Council Union at Disney World created a mini-media event by releasing their Mousetrapped videos on YouTube.

If they wanted to keep this contract and raise dilemna the concern of only the dues-paying members of that union, then putting up slick profesionally produced videos on YouTube and blabbing about it to the media isn't the way to keep things on the down low. :lol:

 

[AEfx]

How is it that the guy that took your mcdonalds order is getting paid more than the monorail pilot with 300+ guests on his train? or the people loading your family on RnR? Disney expects A LOT from their CM's and don't pay accordingly.

This is what always has gotten me.

I don't care about Union talk (I'm pretty neutral on that - some are good, some are not) but although some would (strenuously) disagree, in the labor market you largely get what you pay for.

Disney expects a ton from it's CM's - more so demanding than practically any other company when it comes to an hourly job. They have physical appearance requirements (since body piercings gross me out I'm actually kind of glad about that one LOL), just getting to work is a lot harder (the kid at McDonalds parks his car and walks 30 feet, at Disney it can often take you 1/2 hour at least to get to your final destination if you work on an attraction), and the personality expectations are extremely high (if the kid at McDonalds doesn't kill you with politeness and kindness, as long as he doesn't swear at you or spit in your food it's not likely your manager is going to tell you that you aren't "magical" enough).

That's why Disney should pay better. The response to this is, "Well are you willing to pay higher ticket prices?" and the answer is, I already do - every year. I also know, like most corporations, that there are a lot of overpaid middle-management who you could probably downsize 3:1.

You are exactly right, and I've been making the same comparison for years - if the kid who works at McDonalds makes more than the guy who is responsible for the safety of your family on a ride, or simply has to deal with the high expectations of being a CM, that just doesn't make any sense. Disney has lost out on the opportunity of having many wonderful people to work there who love the place because they pay for absolute crap.

 

[The Mom]

I do believe that this thread has run its course. My years of experience have taught me that the majority of people don't feel they are paid enough for what they do (except Steve Martin) but also feel that there are others who are paid too much for what they do. Even without knowing what other occupations really entail.

So, since people have resorted to throwing insults around, this thread is history. And I get paid nothing for doing this job.