Morocco Pavilion facing financial troubles

[mdcpr]

If you are trying to represent modern/historical countries representing the ancestry of African-American people, then Berber's aren't it. They are Caucasian, like Arabs.

Arabs are not Caucasian. Caucasian is of European origin, and the Caucasus region.

 

[UNCgolf]

just a bit of silly trivia, when they filmed S*x & The City 2, which was supposed to take place in Abu Dhabi, government officials rejected their plan to film on location after reviewing the script...so they shot those scenes in Morocco... Now most Americans that have seen the film believe they are looking at Abu Dhabi So, see? 8000 miles away and Practically interchangeable! lol

Of course if you use this as the standard, then visiting Los Angeles, Vancouver, Toronto, and Atlanta basically counts as visiting the entire world!

 

[LittleBuford]

Someone here had an idea on converting the Pavilion into Egypt.
it could work. Shame there's not a IP.

Posts like this baffle me. Would you say the Italy pavilion could be converted into Spain?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney has previously honoured the religious symbolism of the Morocco pavilion, specifically by the fact that it was the only WS pavilion not lit up in Illuminations Given the current climate, it would be foolish for them to start mixing representations of other Arab nations into the pavilion that was funded directly by the King of Morocco.

Any accusations of cultural misappropriation at a time when Disney are actively acknowledging and apologising for racial stereotypes in their animation movies could spectacularly backfire in the press and social media.

So I think any move to re-imagine Morocco into Aggrabah or even a generalised “Arabic” pavilion is a non-starter.

That doesn’t rule out the idea of a character meal at one of the restaurants featuring Aladdin and Jasmine plus the Genie. Sadly.

Excellent

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Of course if you use this as the standard, then visiting Los Angeles, Vancouver, Toronto, and Atlanta basically counts as visiting the entire world!

Hey!!! Don’t forget Pittsburgh!!

...I’ve been telling People in from Gotham City for 12 years...thanks to Nolan

 

[Lilofan]

Hey!!! Don’t forget Pittsburgh!!

...I’ve been telling People in from Gotham City for 12 years...thanks to Nolan

Christopher Nolan - genius director, producer, screenwriter

 

[DCLcruiser]

Arabs are not Caucasian. Caucasian is of European origin, and the Caucasus region.

The Caucasus mountain region (modern day Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan), is where all Semetic and Indo-Aryan/Indo-European cultures theoretically originated.

This includes, Europeans, Iranians, Arabs (including North Africans), Hebrews, etc.

They are all Caucasian.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Christopher Nolan - genius director, producer, screenwriter

Love him...

...wonder if he’s a Star Wars fan?

I bet “yes”

 

[DCLcruiser]

I didn't mention African Americans.

Berbers are an African people. Morocco is an African country. Not all Africans are Black. Not all lighter-skinned people are "Caucasian". Not all Arabs or Berbers are light-skinned.

If you want more African representation, then you're going to want to include Sub-Saharan peoples. North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa are very different culturally and historically. So, let's give them all representation. Morocco does not do that.

 

[mdcpr]

The Caucasus mountain region (modern day Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan), is where all Semetic and Indo-Aryan/Indo-European cultures theoretically originated.

This includes, Europeans, Iranians, Arabs (including North Africans), Hebrews, etc.

They are all Caucasian.

Interesting, and thank you for the info.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Caucasus mountain region (modern day Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan), is where all Semetic and Indo-Aryan/Indo-European cultures theoretically originated.

This includes, Europeans, PERSIANS, Arabs (including North Africans), Hebrews, etc.

They are all Caucasian.

FTFY

 

[LittleBuford]

If you want more African representation, then you're going to want to include Sub-Saharan peoples. North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa are very different culturally and historically. So, let's give them all representation. Morocco does not do that.

I’ve argued elsewhere that Epcot needs a pavilion devoted to a sub-Saharan African country, so I agree with you on that. The point I’m trying to make here is that the Morocco pavilion is doing double duty, representing both the Arab world and the African continent.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve argued elsewhere that Epcot needs a pavilion devoted to a sub-Saharan African country, so I agree with you on that. The point I’m trying to make here is that the Morocco pavilion is doing double duty, representing both the Arab world and the African continent.

The park over in Osceola Parkway makes that somewhat less of a need.

And I’m just gonna through this out here: they haven’t broken ground on a new country in 34 years...
Might be an “issue” there??

 

[LittleBuford]

Interesting, and thank you for the info.

It’s a debunked racial theory that goes back to the late eighteenth century. The modern American use of the word “Caucasian” to refer to white people is an unfortunate holdover. Arabs and Berbers are not Caucasian.

 

[LittleBuford]

The park over in Osceola Parkway makes that somewhat less of a need.

That park is a glorified zoo. African civilisation deserves to be showcased as a human achievement alongside other global cultures.

 

[Parker in NYC]

The park over in Osceola Parkway makes that somewhat less of a need.

And I’m just gonna through this out here: they haven’t broken ground on a new country in 34 years...
Might be an “issue” there??

I'm sure it's been said already but an exposed, cheap kiddie coaster (think Barnstormer) seems likely. I'd love to see the apologists defend THAT. Let's face it, they would. As for a theme, call it Abu's Moroccan Adventure. You know, he traveled there to steal from the shops or something.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I'm sure it's been said already but an exposed, cheap kiddie coaster (think Barnstormer) seems likely. I'd love to see the apologists defend THAT. Let's face it, they would. As for a theme, call it Abu's Moroccan Adventure. You know, he traveled there to steal from the shops or something.

Abu's Mo-ROCKIN' Roller Coaster

 

[Parker in NYC]

Abu's Mo-ROCKIN' Roller Coaster

Chef's kiss. Of course!

 

[LittleBuford]

FTFY

Why did you change "Iranians" to "Persians"?

 

[_caleb]

The Caucasus mountain region (modern day Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan), is where all Semetic and Indo-Aryan/Indo-European cultures theoretically originated.

This includes, Europeans, Iranians, Arabs (including North Africans), Hebrews, etc.

They are all Caucasian.

Hate to be the "well, actually" guy here, but this is some old-school anthropology here! If you do a quick wikipedia search, be sure read the disclaimer on the first line that the idea of a "Caucasian race" is an outdated concept.

Yes, there is a place in Central Asia called the Caucasus. I've been there! Beautiful place. The "theory" that white people originated from here is because this is said to be where Noah's Ark landed after the great flood. White people in the 1700s, trying to develop categories of people, decided that there were 3 races. These "races" had nothing to do with ethnicity (language, culture, etc.) and were strictly based on physical appearances, or types. They also decided that Circassian women were the most beautiful in the world and that whites must therefore have descended from them.

Caucasian then, started out being "the race with narrow noses, straight jaws, flat faces, small teeth and narrow mouths," (skin color was not a factor). Eventually, caucasian became a synonym for "white people," who then spent a lot of time trying to prove that they were the more highly evolved race and that those with darker skin were less evolved. To that end, they invented the theory of "sub-races" for all the people with darker skin.

Over the last 100 years, we've come to understand the human genome and the role that socialization plays into group identities. We don't guess at the relationships between people groups by looking at the outside, we analyze genes and trace ethnographies.

TL;DR: "Caucasian" is not really a useful/helpful/accurate category. The term is outdated, but is still in use today (mostly in America) to refer to fair-skinned people of European descent.