More Wrapped Buses

RobBlock

RobBlock

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Figment2005 said:
A. Sandals isn't 46 square miles.
B. People do not stay offsite of Sandals and take transportation to get inside.
According to the Webster Dictionary, a resort is "a place where people go for vacations". Nowhere does it say a resort must be all one cohesive environment. The Walt Disney World Resort is, by definition, a single resort consisting of many smaller resorts. Each connected by public transportation.
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A. Fine, pick a different world class resort. There are several large resorts in Europe and Asia. You're grasping at straws to pick on my example.
B. People stay off-site because Disney has priced it's "resort hotels" out of the market. It wasn't always that way. Yes, people have always stayed offsite because the low cost option sprang up. No real lower cost options outside of most other world class resorts, because they are not needed.

I don't care what Webster has to say. TWDC defines the property as the "Walt Disney World Resort". There are no smaller resorts. That's you coming up with your own definition to try to support your argument. There are theme parks, water parks, campgrounds, "resort hotels".

Figment2005 said:
No, that is your notion of a resort. The Grand Floridian is a resort, the Polynesian is a resort, Contemporary is a resort, etc. Each of those places, should you desire, can keep you entertained without leaving the premises. All of the deluxe hotels, could in a sense, be considered standalone resorts. The moderates and values however, not so much.
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No, that's your definition of a resort. Review the WDW website. They are called "resort hotels", not "resorts" for a reason. Even the Values are called resort hotels, because that's what they are. hotels within the WDW resort.
 
MarkTwain

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Figment2005 said:
No, it was to remove the possibility of the outside world intruding on the parks sightlines. Its Walt Disney World, The Place Where Dreams Come True. Not where the outside world disappears.
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Does Agent Carter within the context of Walt Disney World? It doesn't support the environment of anything in the resort; it doesn't even really advertise things found at the resort. Disneyland has run Toy Story Mania-wrapped buses for years, but at least that can help make guests aware of a recent attraction at the park they may be visiting.

Although we can debate Walt's intentions all day, my impression was that he did it to keep out all the visual clutter that plagued (and still plagues) Anaheim... The billboards, the neon signs, and yes, the advertisements found on things like buses.
 
SnarkyMonkey

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This is seriously the dumbest argument I have heard about Disney.

Why would promotional material of Disney and Disney products at a Disney resort be out of place? These ads are and have been all over the place in DHS since it opened. There are DVC booths all over the place. There is merch for sale everywhere. All of this is advertising.

Now, you can not like it. But that's an opinion. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

And honestly, why would this be the thing to put all the effort into caring about? It's a frickin' big stinky bus.
 
Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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SnarkyMonkey said:
This is seriously the dumbest argument I have heard about Disney.

Why would promotional material of Disney and Disney products at a Disney resort be out of place? These ads are and have been all over the place in DHS since it opened. There are DVC booths all over the place. There is merch for sale everywhere. All of this is advertising.

Now, you can not like it. But that's an opinion. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

And honestly, why would this be the thing to put all the effort into caring about? It's a frickin' big stinky bus.
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The busses already stink of "NOT ESCAPISM!". Why not fully make them as much like the daily commute of people too poor to own a car. It just screams "magical get-a-way" to me. I bought a car just so I don't have to ride city busses.
 
Figment2005

Figment2005

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RobBlock said:
A. Fine, pick a different world class resort. There are several large resorts in Europe and Asia. You're grasping at straws to pick on my example.
B. People stay off-site because Disney has priced it's "resort hotels" out of the market. It wasn't always that way. Yes, people have always stayed offsite because the low cost option sprang up. No real lower cost options outside of most other world class resorts, because they are not needed.

I don't care what Webster has to say. TWDC defines the property as the "Walt Disney World Resort". There are no smaller resorts. That's you coming up with your own definition to try to support your argument. There are theme parks, water parks, campgrounds, "resort hotels".



No, that's your definition of a resort. Review the WDW website. They are called "resort hotels", not "resorts" for a reason. Even the Values are called resort hotels, because that's what they are. hotels within the WDW resort.
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Give me another example of a world class resort that encompasses 46 square miles, and I will drop my argument on that front. Next, the full name of the Grand is The Grand Floridian RESORT and spa, the poly is The Polynesian Village RESORT, and the contemporary is the Contemporary RESORT. None of those are followed by hotel in their name. The mods and values I admitted were not resorts, and Disney would consider them resort hotels because they are hotels on resort property. So, even if the three resorts I mentioned were the only ones considered resorts, that would still make my statement of the world consisting of multiple resorts true.
 
Figment2005

Figment2005

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MarkTwain said:
Does Agent Carter within the context of Walt Disney World? It doesn't support the environment of anything in the resort; it doesn't even really advertise things found at the resort. Disneyland has run Toy Story Mania-wrapped buses for years, but at least that can help make guests aware of a recent attraction at the park they may be visiting.

Although we can debate Walt's intentions all day, my impression was that he did it to keep out all the visual clutter that plagued (and still plagues) Anaheim... The billboards, the neon signs, and yes, the advertisements found on things like buses.
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I understand that, but even if Disney removed the wraps from those 2 whole busses, the multitude of other busses from outside sources would still be advertising on property. So, Agent Carter or Disney Infinity are not welcome advertisements on Disney property, but an offsite bus advertising a law firm is?
 
Figment2005

Figment2005

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SnarkyMonkey said:
This is seriously the dumbest argument I have heard about Disney.

Why would promotional material of Disney and Disney products at a Disney resort be out of place? These ads are and have been all over the place in DHS since it opened. There are DVC booths all over the place. There is merch for sale everywhere. All of this is advertising.

Now, you can not like it. But that's an opinion. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

And honestly, why would this be the thing to put all the effort into caring about? It's a frickin' big stinky bus.
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I agree with you completely, but for some reason, I am actually having fun.
 
RobBlock

RobBlock

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Figment2005 said:
Give me another example of a world class resort that encompasses 46 square miles, and I will drop my argument on that front. Next, the full name of the Grand is The Grand Floridian RESORT and spa, the poly is The Polynesian Village RESORT, and the contemporary is the Contemporary RESORT. None of those are followed by hotel in their name. The mods and values I admitted were not resorts, and Disney would consider them resort hotels because they are hotels on resort property. So, even if the three resorts I mentioned were the only ones considered resorts, that would still make my statement of the world consisting of multiple resorts true.
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You've obviously completely missed my original point regarding the overall resort. Arguing minutae with you serves no purpose. If you can't see the difference between the way the resort was originally marketed vs. stand alone hotels and theme parks , I guess you'll never get it.

And Les Trois Vallee ski resort has over 100 square miles of skiable terrain. I'll let you know if they have wrapped busses.
;)
 
Figment2005

Figment2005

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RobBlock said:
You've obviously completely missed my original point regarding the overall resort. Arguing minutae with you serves no purpose. If you can't see the difference between the way the resort was originally marketed vs. stand alone hotels and theme parks , I guess you'll never get it.

And Les Trois Vallee ski resort has over 100 square miles of skiable terrain. I'll let you know if they have wrapped busses.
;)
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Okay, consider the size argument dropped. On the rest, it's getting late so lets just agree to disagree, okay?
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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SnarkyMonkey said:
This is seriously the dumbest argument I have heard about Disney.

Why would promotional material of Disney and Disney products at a Disney resort be out of place? These ads are and have been all over the place in DHS since it opened. There are DVC booths all over the place. There is merch for sale everywhere. All of this is advertising.

Now, you can not like it. But that's an opinion. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

And honestly, why would this be the thing to put all the effort into caring about? It's a frickin' big stinky bus.
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So why replace the attraction posters under Main Street Station with upcoming film posters and ads for other Disney products? Walt Disney World would make more if they erected more billboards to lease to the a Studio, so why not do that too. Banners could be hung from overpasses.

Figment2005 said:
Give me another example of a world class resort that encompasses 46 square miles, and I will drop my argument on that front. Next, the full name of the Grand is The Grand Floridian RESORT and spa, the poly is The Polynesian Village RESORT, and the contemporary is the Contemporary RESORT. None of those are followed by hotel in their name. The mods and values I admitted were not resorts, and Disney would consider them resort hotels because they are hotels on resort property. So, even if the three resorts I mentioned were the only ones considered resorts, that would still make my statement of the world consisting of multiple resorts true.
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All of which are within Walt Disney World RESORT.

Figment2005 said:
I understand that, but even if Disney removed the wraps from those 2 whole busses, the multitude of other busses from outside sources would still be advertising on property. So, Agent Carter or Disney Infinity are not welcome advertisements on Disney property, but an offsite bus advertising a law firm is?
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Disney controls their buses.
 
The Visionary Soul

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RobBlock said:
No, that's your definition of a resort. Review the WDW website. They are called "resort hotels", not "resorts" for a reason. Even the Values are called resort hotels, because that's what they are. hotels within the WDW resort.
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The WDW Website is run by a group of people who rarely actually go to the resorts, nor do they care about being exactly the same with the official names and icons of things. They care about not confusing people (and Google) when it comes to web searches, that's why certain things might be labeled as "resort hotels" on the website, but that is completely irrelevant. And yes, anyone who works in a resort at WDW will tell you it's a resort. It's Disney's Polynesian Village Resort, not resort hotel. Stop fighting this one, it's just stupid.

Anyway, believe it or not, all of that is completely irrelevant, because it's become quite obvious to me and anyone who actually visits WDW on a regular basis that there is no longer any respect given to theme. Walt Disney World Resort is now a completely Disney branded environment, not a themed environment. And I'm not the one who uses that definition, that belongs to a certain CEO named Bob. And you know what? Those bus wraps fit perfectly in a branded environment. In a truly branded environment, you don't waste opportunities to leverage your other intellectual property. And since you're contractually bound to not use the MARVEL brands inside the theme parks, the buses seem to work just fine.

I don't agree with all the parks becoming Brand Parks instead of Theme Parks, but that is really what we have today. And if you don't agree with that, you should probably get out more often to see what is being done at WDW. I will say that sometimes there are rare occasions where the brand is so well developed that you can get away with a fully branded environment that also is completely and fully immersive in what we call "theming." I'm taking here about things like The Wizarding World of Harry Potter and Carsland. Star Wars has that potential as well, depending on how well done it is. But all of these are just themed areas inside Brand Parks. (Actually, I may say that DCA has very little of the Brand Park feeling left. That's pretty amazing.)

Then, there's James Cameron's baby. The cool thing about PANDORA: The World of AVATAR is that because there is so little you can sell from the films, that land may actually be a themed world again. Something that's just cool to go to because it's neat, not because you are in immersive branding. I actually have high hopes, even though I wasn't a huge fan of the film, simply because it's a pain in the neck to work with that product, and I'm excited to see what they come up with.
 
Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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TheVisionarySoul said:
The WDW Website is run by a group of people who rarely actually go to the resorts, nor do they care about being exactly the same with the official names and icons of things. They care about not confusing people (and Google) when it comes to web searches, that's why certain things might be labeled as "resort hotels" on the website, but that is completely irrelevant. And yes, anyone who works in a resort at WDW will tell you it's a resort. It's Disney's Polynesian Village Resort, not resort hotel. Stop fighting this one, it's just stupid.

Anyway, believe it or not, all of that is completely irrelevant, because it's become quite obvious to me and anyone who actually visits WDW on a regular basis that there is no longer any respect given to theme. Walt Disney World Resort is now a completely Disney branded environment, not a themed environment. And I'm not the one who uses that definition, that belongs to a certain CEO named Bob. And you know what? Those bus wraps fit perfectly in a branded environment. In a truly branded environment, you don't waste opportunities to leverage your other intellectual property. And since you're contractually bound to not use the MARVEL brands inside the theme parks, the buses seem to work just fine.

I don't agree with all the parks becoming Brand Parks instead of Theme Parks, but that is really what we have today. And if you don't agree with that, you should probably get out more often to see what is being done at WDW. I will say that sometimes there are rare occasions where the brand is so well developed that you can get away with a fully branded environment that also is completely and fully immersive in what we call "theming." I'm taking here about things like The Wizarding World of Harry Potter and Carsland. Star Wars has that potential as well, depending on how well done it is. But all of these are just themed areas inside Brand Parks. (Actually, I may say that DCA has very little of the Brand Park feeling left. That's pretty amazing.)

Then, there's James Cameron's baby. The cool thing about PANDORA: The World of AVATAR is that because there is so little you can sell from the films, that land may actually be a themed world again. Something that's just cool to go to because it's neat, not because you are in immersive branding. I actually have high hopes, even though I wasn't a huge fan of the film, simply because it's a pain in the neck to work with that product, and I'm excited to see what they come up with.
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I'm pretty sure with 3 more sequels and a theme park land or 2, JC is certainly thinking "Brand".

And concerning bus wraps, the more things Disney does inside of WDW that you can see outside of WDW, the less "special" your time is inside of WDW.
 
StageFrenzy

StageFrenzy

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MarkTwain said:
Does Agent Carter within the context of Walt Disney World? It doesn't support the environment of anything in the resort; it doesn't even really advertise things found at the resort. Disneyland has run Toy Story Mania-wrapped buses for years, but at least that can help make guests aware of a recent attraction at the park they may be visiting.

Although we can debate Walt's intentions all day, my impression was that he did it to keep out all the visual clutter that plagued (and still plagues) Anaheim... The billboards, the neon signs, and yes, the advertisements found on things like buses.
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Agent Carter is paid for by ABC or some other division so it reduces the cost of running buses at WDW. This in turn makes some GM look good and allows a bonus or raise to occur thus supporting the environment of the resort or resorts or non-resort...
 

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