More Wrapped Buses

[arko]

@lazyboy97o you seem like you have a decent understanding of WDW history so I'm surprised you're missing the mark so badly on this one. Why do you have to take the monorail or ferry to get from the TTC to the Magic Kingdom? To separate the "real world" experiences of driving and parking from the fantasy world experience of the Magic Kingdom. The driving and parking (i.e. the transportation TO the park) was always outside of that divide. The line being drawn at the theme park and not the Resort entrance has always been the case.

The main reason for the TTC is that Walt's site choice had a swamp right in front of it, so they couldn't build a parking lot right in front of it like at Disneyland. They simply decided to use some of the ideas that were meant for EPCOT city in solving that issue. So they dredged the swamp and used the earth to cover the utilidoor foundations and created a lake.

 

[lazyboy97o]

@lazyboy97o you seem like you have a decent understanding of WDW history so I'm surprised you're missing the mark so badly on this one. Why do you have to take the monorail or ferry to get from the TTC to the Magic Kingdom? To separate the "real world" experiences of driving and parking from the fantasy world experience of the Magic Kingdom. The driving and parking (i.e. the transportation TO the park) was always outside of that divide. The line being drawn at the theme park and not the Resort entrance has always been the case.

Because it's nonsense based on what is done today and built on the unromantic view of buses. Let's just look at that original layout of Phase I where everyone parked at the Transportation and Ticket Center. That was supposed to be the extent of the theme park area. There were no plans for other parks elsewhere. Everything else was swamp still, but all guests had to enter from the south of property (where I-4 still directs guests heading to the Magic Kingdom) and drive several miles north. That was the start of the seperation, a long drive through nothing after the expected cluttered built up along I-4 and U.S.-192. The Transportation and Ticket Center is the edge of the Resort Area and once there, that was it. Hotel guests staying at the Polynesian Village and Contenporary were originally to park there too, but even after they parked at the hotel they do not get in their car and drive, they take a monorail or boat. The monorails and boats were part of the show. Buses and trams did get pressed into service very early in Walt Disney World history, but they too were distinct by being neat, clean and uniform. The transportation system of Phase I was to be a model demonstration for the world, a precursor of what to expect at EPCOT so it was very much part of the show of what Disney can do. Not themed but still part of a crafted experience.

The intention to make everything one experience is better replicated at the Disneyland Resorts, especially Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland. Everything is all interconnected by one grand designed space.

 

[arko]

Because it's nonsense based on what is done today and built on the unromantic view of buses. Let's just look at that original layout of Phase I where everyone parked at the Transportation and Ticket Center. That was supposed to be the extent of the theme park area. There were no plans for other parks elsewhere. Everything else was swamp still, but all guests had to enter from the south of property (where I-4 still directs guests heading to the Magic Kingdom) and drive several miles north. That was the start of the seperation, a long drive through nothing after the expected cluttered built up along I-4 and U.S.-192. The Transportation and Ticket Center is the edge of the Resort Area and once there, that was it. Hotel guests staying at the Polynesian Village and Contenporary were originally to park there too, but even after they parked at the hotel they do not get in their car and drive, they take a monorail or boat. The monorails and boats were part of the show. Buses and trams did get pressed into service very early in Walt Disney World history, but they too were distinct by being neat, clean and uniform. The transportation system of Phase I was to be a model demonstration for the world, a precursor of what to expect at EPCOT so it was very much part of the show of what Disney can do. Not themed but still part of a crafted experience.

The intention to make everything one experience is better replicated at the Disneyland Resorts, especially Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland. Everything is all interconnected by one grand designed space.

The TTC was not part of the grand design, it was built out of necessity. The reason the park is where it is, is because Walt wanted people to have drive through the property and see EPCOT before getting to the Magic Kingdom. The theme park was to be the thing that would attract people to visit and attract corporate sponsors to help pay for EPCOT. After Walt's death the planners tried to convince Roy to move the park closer to I4 so that they wouldn't have to build a long road and canals for drainage. But he wanted to honor his brothers wishes. This created the need for the TTC because the area where Walt picked was a swamp and the closest suitable area for parking was a mile away.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The TTC was not part of the grand design, it was built out of necessity. The reason the park is where it is, is because Walt wanted people to have drive through the property and see EPCOT before getting to the Magic Kingdom. The theme park was to be the thing that would attract people to visit and attract corporate sponsors to help pay for EPCOT. After Walt's death the planners tried to convince Roy to move the park closer to I4 so that they wouldn't have to build a long road and canals for drainage. But he wanted to honor his brothers wishes. This created the need for the TTC because the area where Walt picked was a swamp and the closest suitable area for parking was a mile away.

The relationship of the Transportation and Ticket Center to the rest of Phase I comes from Mineral King. The Resort Area shown in the EPCOT film features a copy of Disneyland proper but not its parking lot immediately out front. Hotels and other amenities occupy the space of what became the Seven Seas Lagoon.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

@lazyboy97o you seem like you have a decent understanding of WDW history so I'm surprised you're missing the mark so badly on this one. Why do you have to take the monorail or ferry to get from the TTC to the Magic Kingdom? To separate the "real world" experiences of driving and parking from the fantasy world experience of the Magic Kingdom. The driving and parking (i.e. the transportation TO the park) was always outside of that divide. The line being drawn at the theme park and not the Resort entrance has always been the case.

But this isn't correct. Can I ask where you are getting this understanding from? I've done my share of research on the history of the MK and everything I have learned has been about the TTC being built because of the inability to park at the gates. Maybe you could throw your source in here?

 

[lazyboy97o]

But this isn't correct. Can I ask where you are getting this understanding from? I've done my share of research on the history of the MK and everything I have learned has been about the TTC being built because of the inability to park at the gates. Maybe you could throw your source in here?

The whole place is a swamp, they could have built the parking lot wherever they wanted, but they didn't. It doesn't matter if at one point the ideas was considered because what was built was one big, interconnected experience. An idea taken from Mineral King and reproduced at Euro Disney, the Disneyland Resort, to a lesser extent at Tokyo Disney Resort and the Hong King Disney Resort.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Disney has there own sign shop so they can wrap them for almost nothing and they look cool

Do you have that as fact that Disney is capable of creating their own bus wraps. Seems a little far fetched. Creating a bus wrap is a very intricate set up and has to be exact in all measurements and design. Why would Disney invest the money in equipment and people with the knowledge of how they are created, to have a few buses (not the fleet) with a wrap. Just because they can create a one dimensional sign does not necessarily mean that they can dress a bus like that.

 

[ULPO46]

I rather enjoy riding the buses around the parks. There really is no need for a car when staying within the resorts. Even though one comes in every 30-45 minutes from the parks, it's always fun to test their transportation. But the nightmare of getting to Downtown Disney is a disgusting nightmare.

 

[kenny279]

Disneyland was a **** poor ad for films seeing as very little of its content related to films and that amount only decreased after opening.

Adventureland - was to be like it was from one of the True Life Adventures as well as tie into the Adventureland segments on the Disneyland TV Show. Eventually the tree house would tie in to the Swiss Family Robinson and now Tarzan. While the Jungle Cruise didn't specifically tie into a specific movie, it still was a world right out of the True Life Adventure Series.

Frontierland - Davy Crockett? That was a huge tie in. The Ride through Nature's Wonderland was very much pulled from The Vanishing Prairie film in the True Life Adventure series.

Fantasyland - Peter Pan, Dumbo, Casey Jr., Teacups, Snow White, Mr. Toad all tied into movies. Sleepy Beauty Castle was promoting a movie that was not even released yet when Disneyland Opened.

Tomorrowland - Tied into the Disneyland TV Show, while it was't an opening day attraction, the Matterhorn tied into and was inspired by Third Man on the Mountain. Eventually -20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

Other tie ins after opening - Buzz, Roger Rabbit, (Indiana Jones, Star Tours are tie ins now but not when opened), Splash Mountain, Pooh, Cars Land, A Bugs Life area

I think it ties into the films and tv shows much more than you are giving it credit for, and it hasn't decreased all that much.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Adventureland - was to be like it was from one of the True Life Adventures as well as tie into the Adventureland segments on the Disneyland TV Show. Eventually the tree house would tie in to the Swiss Family Robinson and now Tarzan. While the Jungle Cruise didn't specifically tie into a specific movie, it still was a world right out of the True Life Adventure Series.

Frontierland - Davy Crockett? That was a huge tie in. The Ride through Nature's Wonderland was very much pulled from The Vanishing Prairie film in the True Life Adventure series.

Fantasyland - Peter Pan, Dumbo, Casey Jr., Teacups, Snow White, Mr. Toad all tied into movies. Sleepy Beauty Castle was promoting a movie that was not even released yet when Disneyland Opened.

Tomorrowland - Tied into the Disneyland TV Show, while it was't an opening day attraction, the Matterhorn tied into and was inspired by Third Man on the Mountain. Eventually -20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

Other tie ins after opening - Buzz, Roger Rabbit, (Indiana Jones, Star Tours are tie ins now but not when opened), Splash Mountain, Pooh, Cars Land, A Bugs Life area

I think it ties into the films and tv shows much more than you are giving it credit for, and it hasn't decreased all that much.

You're confusing common interest for synergy and they are not at all the same. You're also including things created for Disneyland, which would be putting the cart before the horse. The context of my comment was also in relation to Walt Disney, who was quite dead by the time any of your additions opened.

 

[DVCOwner]

The whole place is a swamp, they could have built the parking lot wherever they wanted, but they didn't. It doesn't matter if at one point the ideas was considered because what was built was one big, interconnected experience. An idea taken from Mineral King and reproduced at Euro Disney, the Disneyland Resort, to a lesser extent at Tokyo Disney Resort and the Hong King Disney Resort.

I have got to find out what type of Pixie Dust your do use. I have been to all of the Disneyland Resorts and I find that there is commercial things at everyone of them.

In Paris I went to take the tram from the park entrance back to my room and found out that is was a private vendor providing the service and you had to pay to do this. There was even advertisements on the tram. I walked back.

Tokyo Disney Resort has a shopping mall on property; how much more commercial can that be. A three story shopping mall, how bad a show is that. You can look at one item such as buses, and I think Tokyo has the best Disney buses of any resort, but in my hotel there where advertisements everywhere. They had advertisements for Disney owned places to eat, places to shop, asking me to visit the Disney owned mall and even a advertisement for Infinity 2.0. This was last August when Infinity 2.0 was just released ahead of the United States offering.

Now do not get me wrong, I think that Disney has made some mistake at Walt Disney World in the last few years, but right now I feel things are starting to turn around. I do believe that changing the term Pixie Duster to define those that make up a Disney reality that never existed and hold Disney today to that standard is a prefect definition. There are a lot of Pixie Dusters like lazyboy97o on this web site.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I have got to find out what type of Pixie Dust your do use. I have been to all of the Disneyland Resorts and I find that there is commercial things at everyone of them.

In Paris I went to take the tram from the park entrance back to my room and found out that is was a private vendor providing the service and you had to pay to do this. There was even advertisements on the tram. I walked back.

Tokyo Disney Resort has a shopping mall on property; how much more commercial can that be. A three story shopping mall, how bad a show is that. You can look at one item such as buses, and I think Tokyo has the best Disney buses of any resort, but in my hotel there where advertisements everywhere. They had advertisements for Disney owned places to eat, places to shop, asking me to visit the Disney owned mall and even a advertisement for Infinity 2.0. This was last August when Infinity 2.0 was just released ahead of the United States offering.

Now do not get me wrong, I think that Disney has made some mistake at Walt Disney World in the last few years, but right now I feel things are starting to turn around. I do believe that changing the term Pixie Duster to define those that make up a Disney reality that never existed and hold Disney today to that standard is a prefect definition. There are a lot of Pixie Dusters like lazyboy97o on this web site.

None of that at all has anything to do with design or intent, but of course name calling is usually a sure sign of having no actual point.

 

[DVCOwner]

None of that at all has anything to do with design or intent, but of course name calling is usually a sure sign of having no actual point.

I must say I agree with you on the name calling and for that I say I am sorry, but I am so tired of any time that someone on this web sight disagrees with those that claim Disney is doing everything wrong now, they call them "Pixie Dusters" the "faithful", Disney "sheep" or something similar. I just can not get upset that Disney is wrapping buses for the purpose of marketing. All Disney properties have been doing this starting on the first day of the opening of Disneyland.

I will never forget about sitting in front of the Television in the 1960's on a Sunday evening at the neighbor's house (they had the only color Television on the block) wishing I could go to Disneyland. The Wonderful World of Color often started with a segment showing off something new a Disneyland, usually be Walt himself.

 

[sshindel]

I just want to say that this thread is awesome. I'm loving the back and forth over the purity of the bus design. Just top notch stuff.
I'll say that seeing Disney Infinity on a bus completely removed me from the magic bubble that I was in while I drove down the road behind the guest's truck with the lovely sticker of Calvin peeing on a Ford emblem. I was passing my favorite billboard, the one that shows the Tower of Terror shaking back and forth. The white bus with the big red Disney on the side blended right into the background as it forcibly merged into my lane without warning! Just as I was pulling up to pay my $17 parking fee next to the sign for the Richard Petty Driving Experience, pop, bubble burst. There was a bus with an ad on it! Boo Disney. Boo! I just want to get into the park and spend my money on Disney Parks Brand merchandise with characters from the most recent smash hit film and I have to see an ad for a video game?

 

[DVCOwner]

None of that at all has anything to do with design or intent, but of course name calling is usually a sure sign of having no actual point.

So after that let's get to your point. The building of Disneyland started with Walt not having enough money to build the park himself. This lead to him coming up with new methods of fundraising. He decided to create a show named Disneyland to help fund the construction of the park. This cross marketing lead to the broadcast of this show on the then-fledgling network of ABC. In return, the network agreed to help finance the park. For its first five years of operation, Disneyland was owned by Walt Disney Company but was owned jointly owned by Walt Disney Production, Walt Disney, Western Publishing and the ABC network. So most likely there would have been no Disneyland without cross marketing and advertisement. The same is true with each and every Disney Park.

 

[ShookieJones]

I just want to say that this thread is awesome. I'm loving the back and forth over the purity of the bus design. Just top notch stuff.
I'll say that seeing Disney Infinity on a bus completely removed me from the magic bubble that I was in while I drove down the road behind the guest's truck with the lovely sticker of Calvin peeing on a Ford emblem. I was passing my favorite billboard, the one that shows the Tower of Terror shaking back and forth. The white bus with the big red Disney on the side blended right into the background as it forcibly merged into my lane without warning! Just as I was pulling up to pay my $17 parking fee next to the sign for the Richard Petty Driving Experience, pop, bubble burst. There was a bus with an ad on it! Boo Disney. Boo! I just want to get into the park and spend my money on Disney Parks Brand merchandise with characters from the most recent smash hit film and I have to see an ad for a video game?

I agree purity of bus design is something that's way too often overlo....wait wait you're being sarcastic aren't you!???

 

[DVCOwner]

I just want to say that this thread is awesome. I'm loving the back and forth over the purity of the bus design. Just top notch stuff.
I'll say that seeing Disney Infinity on a bus completely removed me from the magic bubble that I was in while I drove down the road behind the guest's truck with the lovely sticker of Calvin peeing on a Ford emblem. I was passing my favorite billboard, the one that shows the Tower of Terror shaking back and forth. The white bus with the big red Disney on the side blended right into the background as it forcibly merged into my lane without warning! Just as I was pulling up to pay my $17 parking fee next to the sign for the Richard Petty Driving Experience, pop, bubble burst. There was a bus with an ad on it! Boo Disney. Boo! I just want to get into the park and spend my money on Disney Parks Brand merchandise with characters from the most recent smash hit film and I have to see an ad for a video game?

Love this post........

 

[Hakunamatata]

I agree purity of bus design is something that's way too often overlo....wait wait you're being sarcastic aren't you!???

I actually remember reading somewhere that with his last breath Walt asked that the busses at the Florida project not have Disney Infinity promos on them. Walt was a purist.

 

[Phicinfan]

bwahahahahaha love these last few...

 

[arko]

So after that let's get to your point. The building of Disneyland started with Walt not having enough money to build the park himself. This lead to him coming up with new methods of fundraising. He decided to create a show named Disneyland to help fund the construction of the park. This cross marketing lead to the broadcast of this show on the then-fledgling network of ABC. In return, the network agreed to help finance the park. For its first five years of operation, Disneyland was owned by Walt Disney Company but was owned jointly owned by Walt Disney Production, Walt Disney, Western Publishing and the ABC network. So most likely there would have been no Disneyland without cross marketing and advertisement. The same is true with each and every Disney Park.

The orginal intent for the Magic Kingdom was also to have the theme park drive visitors and corporate sponsorship to EPCOT. Once Walt died the plans for the original vision of EPCOT were put on hold and eventually cancelled altogether