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[flynnibus]

I didn't say the wraps create an experience at all. And I didn't say the wraps are theming. Instead of being quick to jump at what I post, read my post.

I like the new color scheme (red/white-gray) and find them more themed than the wrapped buses and the 90s buses they're still running.

You use 'themed' and 'theming' - but you aren't calling them theming... and saying theme is independent of experience.

<insert princess bride meme>

Disney decoration is not theming.

 

[Kman101]

You guys are REALLY nitpicking my post. Let it go.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You guys are REALLY nitpicking my post. Let it go.

You said something and then say you don't mean that. Why not clarify your point?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Honestly its not such a big deal. Sure it may not be the traditional Disney Transport livery, but its something different. It's not like Seaworld or Universal have their own transport system. They are allowed to do what ever they want even if we may not like it.

Ummmm, Universal does, and are theme appropriately.

Resort Water Taxi:

Resort Bus:

And for park hopping purposes:

 

[dstrawn9889]

wow they went overboard with the grime layer. the HE is always gleaming on PF 9 3/4

 

[Goofyernmost]

The wraps are not theming. They do not create an experience.

Disney decoration is not theming.

Please explain to me how a plain white bus with the name Disney on it was ever a theme. It was advertising at it's purest level. Seriously, like @Kman101 stated, you folks are just reaching for something to complain about. There are a lot of things that lend themselves to specific theming, however, buses in a place the size of WDW, with it's multitude of inner resorts cannot really be themed. All they can be is attractive to look at and connected with the Disney Company. They are not part of the show... that is in the parks. They are utility and if anything can be defined as non-theme it would be a white bus with the name Disney on it. That's like having a bus in Boston with the word Boston on it. It means nothing other then here's the thing that gets you to the fun stuff.

A cleverly designed bus wrap is far more interesting and entertaining then the plain brown wrapper type. Even thinking it is a problem is a pure indication of inability to adapt to change and closing one's mind to the creativity of it because it is change.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

 

[Kman101]

You said something and then say you don't mean that. Why not clarify your point?

I did clarify. I never called the wrap theming. You said I did. Not sure what more clarification you need?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Please explain to me how a plain white bus with the name Disney on it was ever a theme. It was advertising at it's purest level. Seriously, like @Kman101 stated, you folks are just reaching for something to complain about. There are a lot of things that lend themselves to specific theming, however, buses in a place the size of WDW, with it's multitude of inner resorts cannot really be themed. All they can be is attractive to look at and connected with the Disney Company. They are not part of the show... that is in the parks. They are utility and if anything can be defined as non-theme it would be a white bus with the name Disney on it. That's like having a bus in Boston with the word Boston on it. It means nothing other then here's the thing that gets you to the fun stuff.

A cleverly designed bus wrap is far more interesting and entertaining then the plain brown wrapper type. Even thinking it is a problem is a pure indication of inability to adapt to change and closing one's mind to the creativity of it because it is change.

The buses are NOT themed and we have repeatedly said that neither the standard "Disnet Transport" look nor the wraps are theming. We are also not saying that the buses should be themed. We keep using the term neutral, because that is the idea. Not at experience unto itself, but also not actively pointing outside the Resort experience. They're hardly advertising because one is already at Walt Disney World. Plain white buses would be less distinguishable and actively injury the guest experience through unnecessary confusion. This is the very reason cited by Imagineers as to why the Mark IV monorails were painted white with a distinguishing stripe instead of following the bold colors and chrome of the Mark I - Mark III monorails.

If the wraps were a creative change then they would be tied to a story, an experience. They are not. Walt Disney World is not an ad agency, the creative execution of placing an ad on a bus is irrelevant, because Walt Disney World is themed entertainment and measured as such.

I did clarify. I never called the wrap theming. You said I did. Not sure what more clarification you need?

You described exterior decor as "themed." The livery on the buses is not theming.

 

[jakeman]

Maybe you should read more closely. That I reference "needles," plural, means it is not the one that bursts.

Okay...needles don't burst bubbles. Got it.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

The buses are NOT themed and we have repeatedly said that neither the standard "Disnet Transport" look nor the wraps are theming. We are also not saying that the buses should be themed. We keep using the term neutral, because that is the idea. Not at experience unto itself, but also not actively pointing outside the Resort experience. They're hardly advertising because one is already at Walt Disney World. Plain white buses would be less distinguishable and actively injury the guest experience through unnecessary confusion.

Hahaha...yes. So confusing.

"OMG! What is that giant Disney Infinity billboard doing with wheels? And why is it parked at my hotel bus stop? I know that I'm trying to get to Animal Kingdom and that the moving billboard happens to say "Animal Kingdom" on the front. But I just don't understand. Where is my bus? How will my bus park with this billboard in the way? Maybe I can find a CM to explain this all to me."



And why do you keep saying "we". Is it the royal we? Are you conjoined twins? Are you speaking for you and your wife? You are as confusing as Disney Infinity buses.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Hahaha...yes. So confusing.

"OMG! What is that giant Disney Infinity billboard doing with wheels? And why is it parked at my hotel bus stop? I know that I'm trying to get to Animal Kingdom and that the moving billboard happens to say "Animal Kingdom" on the front. But I just don't understand. Where is my bus? How will my bus park with this billboard in the way? Maybe I can find a CM to explain this all to me."



And why do you keep saying "we". Is it the royal we? Are you conjoined twins? Are you speaking for you and your wife? You are as confusing as Disney Infinity buses.

Maybe you should try and read more closely instead of being so quick to defend whatever Disney does? I said all white buses would add confusion, not wrapped buses. You also would have seen that the post I was replying to was addressed at myself and @flynnibus, so that would be two people, thus the plural "we."

 

[flynnibus]

I did clarify. I never called the wrap theming. You said I did. Not sure what more clarification you need?

Are you related to Clinton... I feel a like that part when he tried to redefine what 'is' meant after he said it.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

Maybe you should try and read more closely instead of being so quick to defend whatever Disney does? I said all white buses would add confusion, not wrapped buses. You also would have seen that the post I was replying to was addressed at myself and @flynnibus, so that would be two people, thus the plural "we."

I could change my post to show someone's confusion by a regular white Disney bus if you like but maybe you could just answer the question of why someone would be confused by a bus to save me the trouble?

 

[Goofyernmost]

The buses are NOT themed and we have repeatedly said that neither the standard "Disnet Transport" look nor the wraps are theming. We are also not saying that the buses should be themed. We keep using the term neutral, because that is the idea. Not at experience unto itself, but also not actively pointing outside the Resort experience. They're hardly advertising because one is already at Walt Disney World. Plain white buses would be less distinguishable and actively injury the guest experience through unnecessary confusion. This is the very reason cited by Imagineers as to why the Mark IV monorails were painted white with a distinguishing stripe instead of following the bold colors and chrome of the Mark I - Mark III monorails.

If the wraps were a creative change then they would be tied to a story, an experience. They are not. Walt Disney World is not an ad agency, the creative execution of placing an ad on a bus is irrelevant, because Walt Disney World is themed entertainment and measured as such.


You described exterior decor as "themed." The livery on the buses is not theming.

You are just grasping at straws now. I never said JUST plain white buses. I think that sometimes we over estimate the intelligence of the park guests, but, this is blatantly saying that people are brain dead stupid.

As @SnarkyMonkey stated, not only does it not "confuse" anybody it is not even thought about other then what might or might not be amusing. The mere idea that someone would have their experience ruined because a bus has an amusing wrap that is promoting some thing that is Disney, no matter what genre, is well, I don't even know the proper word to use in it's silliness.

If you want to find a reason for not wrapping buses maybe a case could be made that the wrap is cutting down the flow of oxygen to the interior and therefore many deaths will result. Or less outrageous, how about it can be a traffic hazard because it distracts other drivers when they should be concentrating on driving. That last one, BTW, is a serious consideration.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I could change my post to show someone's confusion by a regular white Disney bus if you like but maybe you could just answer the question of why someone would be confused by a bus to save me the trouble?

For the same reasons that people ask which park a bus is going to despite being displayed on a marquee. Disney is not the only bus operator within Walt Disney World.

You are just grasping at straws now. I never said JUST plain white buses. I think that sometimes we over estimate the intelligence of the park guests, but, this is blatantly saying that people are brain dead stupid.

As @SnarkyMonkey stated, not only does it not "confuse" anybody it is not even thought about other then what might or might not be amusing. The mere idea that someone would have their experience ruined because a bus has an amusing wrap that is promoting some thing that is Disney, no matter what genre, is well, I don't even know the proper word to use in it's silliness.

If you want to find a reason for not wrapping buses maybe a case could be made that the wrap is cutting down the flow of oxygen to the interior and therefore many deaths will result. Or less outrageous, how about it can be a traffic hazard because it distracts other drivers when they should be concentrating on driving. That last one, BTW, is a serious consideration.

People don't think about any number of things. Nor have I said the wraps create confusion.

Whether or not people actively acknowledge a break in theme is not important. People don't actively notice period appropriate costume details in films, but the work of the costume designer is not begrudged and demeaned as pointless. And those costumes probably have contemporary features or materials like a zipper, but they are not obvious design features.

 

[spacemt354]

I read the last page and needed to go back to the beginning to catch up. Here are my thoughts on this debate.

According to the Webster Dictionary, a resort is "a place where people go for vacations". Nowhere does it say a resort must be all one cohesive environment. The Walt Disney World Resort is, by definition, a single resort consisting of many smaller resorts. Each connected by public transportation.

The Walt Disney World Resort was intended to be an escape from reality. A cohesive environment. The whole reason for moving to Florida was to escape the commercial world that surrounded Disneyland. Walt wanted enough space around his property so that guests did not see the outside world.

I think the odd thing about the complaining is that the Agent Carter bus, at least, is far better themed than the ordinary buses. It makes the ordinary bus look like something distinct and interesting. While it may be an advertisement, IMHO it is one that actually enhances the environment.

Beyond that, I don't see how doing the wraps or not damages the WDW experience. The buses are not "on stage" and part of the theming and environment to begin with. I'm actually sympathetic to most arguments about intrusions of the outside world into the theme parks, but this strikes me as an odd place to draw a line.

According to the original plan for WDW, the transportation is on-stage. However, I am conflicted because I do like the aesthetic appeal of the Agent Cater bus. I also liked the Tron monorail and the other Marvel monorail ads throughout the years. It comes down to the fact that the concept for WDW being an exclusive holistic resort went out the window a long time ago.

It's also shocking how some people can't grasp the fact that it is a different world today than in 1971. Those halcyon days of Mad Men advertising and Disneyland TV specials are gone. A simple Orange Bird face character in the park or in your face sponsor of Carousel of Progress are no longer anywhere near the standard for advertising. Sure, Walt could get away with his TV show to propose the Florida Project, some TV spots and a boatload of other mass media marketing. Today we're blasted with marketing every time we look at our phone, do an internet search, post on our favorite web forum, walk through the airport, etc. The minor, and very minor indeed, advertising that is a well-done bus wrap or monorail wrap is just not something to get worked up over. We praised the idea of TCM coming in to update the films in The Great Movie Ride, while adding their name and logo to the theater. Wrapping the busses is not one of the many ills of Disney World. It has many ills right now, but this just isn't one of them.
It's smart marketing. My kids wanted to wait and take the next bus, the one with Disney Infinity on it, when we were there. The busses themselves are and always have been filled with marketing materials. Every place that they can, Disney is self-promoting itself. This is not some poorly done sign on the side of a city bus.
Now, I know someone is going to say that you'd like to take a break from advertising while on a Disney vacation. It just isn't happening. Not in today's day and age. The world has moved on. Blame the world at large here, but don't say that Disney of old wouldn't have done this if the technology had been available. They would have. Ask Orange Bird. He'll tell you different.

Got to agree with you here. I feel the same way. While 2 wrongs don't make a right in regard to the original concept of WDW being a separation from the real world....it's implausible to create an entirely separate experience with the size and scale of WDW today. As stated, McDonalds, Hess, AAA, etc have been established for years yet now all of a sudden we are up in arms about a few bus ads? When the buses already had ads inside of them anyway...

Hahaha...yes. So confusing.

"OMG! What is that giant Disney Infinity billboard doing with wheels? And why is it parked at my hotel bus stop? I know that I'm trying to get to Animal Kingdom and that the moving billboard happens to say "Animal Kingdom" on the front. But I just don't understand. Where is my bus? How will my bus park with this billboard in the way? Maybe I can find a CM to explain this all to me."



And why do you keep saying "we". Is it the royal we? Are you conjoined twins? Are you speaking for you and your wife? You are as confusing as Disney Infinity buses.

Alright don't ruin it now...

As much as I would like to see an entirely separate resort, I can't sway myself to complain about the bus ads considering how much of the "real world" is already advertised within resort property.

 

[Kman101]

Are you related to Clinton... I feel a like that part when he tried to redefine what 'is' meant after he said it.

I'm not sure what the problem is. I never said wrapped buses = themed buses. That's all. Nothing to redefine. Nothing to clarify. No one else had issues with my post.

 

[spacemt354]

I'm not sure what the problem is. I never said wrapped buses = themed buses. That's all. Nothing to redefine. Nothing to clarify. No one else had issues with my post.

If we go back to the source this was your initial statement.

To be honest, I find the 90s purple-ish Disney buses more glaring and out of place than a wrapped bus. Basically it is like any bus in anytown USA with Disney plastered on it. Where's the complaint for that? I find the new color scheme much more appealing and 'themed'.

I didn't interpret your post as saying wrapping is theme.

Due to the air-quotes (' ') around the word 'themed' and the adjoining use of the adjective "appealing", I read your post as meaning the buses were more aesthetically pleasing; basically better on the eyes compared to the 90s.

I will say that the actual definition of the word 'themed' doesn't mean aesthetically pleasing, that could be where the confusion is coming from. But overall it was pretty obvious to me what you meant.

 

[Kman101]

If we go back to the source this was your initial statement.

I didn't interpret your post as saying wrapping is theme.

Due to the air-quotes (' ') around the word 'themed' and the adjoining use of the adjective "appealing", I read your post as meaning the buses were more aesthetically pleasing; basically better on the eyes compared to the 90s.

I will say that the actual definition of the word 'themed' doesn't mean aesthetically pleasing, that could be where the confusion is coming from. But overall it was pretty obvious to me what you meant.

Thank you.

I also see when you put it that way where the confusion could come from. I didn't see it that way.