More offsite hotels to offer Extra Magic Hours and extended FastPass+ booking window

[Walt d]

Makes me want to book that $500 $650 standard room at a deluxe.

On your bill how is that listed .and is the cost more than disney is charging?

 

[Disney4family]

This is starting to become like the socialism of FP+ and EMHs. If you open it up to everyone it loses its intrinsic value.

 

[bhg469]

I am sorry, new to the discussion, but as soon as I saw this, I felt like it was a big slap in the face to those of us that
stay on property. I have gone to WDW about 12 times. Once I stayed off property, back in 1998. Most times I have
stayed on property and appreciated the benefits of staying on property. Now Disney just says, "Hey, really not a
big deal staying on property, everyone is going to get those benefits." Honestly, does anyone here feel the parks
have not been crowded enough without giving more benefits to those staying off property?

Don't worry. You will have the parks to yourself eventually when they charge for the inevitable hard ticket events that will dominate the evenings. With 8:00 weekend closures happening already, its clear that they would stay open the bare minimum possible anyway.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is starting to become like the socialism of FP+ and EMHs. If you open it up to everyone it loses its intrinsic value.

so now you have ruined stand by and on top of it you have to ruin Fastpass a few times at that?

It’s just my opinion...but I think this a “driver” combined with a Disney trademark PR game

 

[seascape]

Eventually WDW will have 50,000 rooms on property. With 3 people per room and 3 fast passes each that will total 450,000 fast passes a day. If the parks were open just 9 hours a day, that is 50,000 fast passes an hour. With 4 parks that is just 12,250 past passes per hour per park. Does anyone here doubt that each parks capacity is much higher than that small number? One last thing even with these new rooms having 60 access, there are still less than 35,000 rooms with 60 days fast pass plus.

 

[OG Runner]

Eventually WDW will have 50,000 rooms on property. With 3 people per room and 3 fast passes each that will total 450,000 fast passes a day. If the parks were open just 9 hours a day, that is 50,000 fast passes an hour. With 4 parks that is just 12,250 past passes per hour per park. Does anyone here doubt that each parks capacity is much higher than that small number? One last thing even with these new rooms having 60 access, there are still less than 35,000 rooms with 60 days fast pass plus.

Now my head hurts.

 

[wendysue]

Well F me then.

(Sorry, not very Disney-like.)

Yep, me too! We have a 2 day ticket for the parks purchased a few months ago but couldn't go at that time. We are going to Orlando in April, but we will be staying at a cheap (but really nice) hotel near SeaWorld. I plan on using those 2 days in the parks, but most of the week we will be visiting other places and do not plan on going back to WDW anytime soon. Originally, we had planned on staying onsite for the 2 days, but with the much higher price and realizing that I couldn't get any of the FP's we wanted, we switched to a place offsite.
Honestly, the longer we are away from Disney (it's been almost a year and a half), the less I miss all the crap they are doing!

 

[seascape]

Now my head hurts.

I am sorry. I actually used numbers that would make it look much worse than it is. Disney parks are open much more than 9 hours and lots of people who stay a week take a day off from the parks. We wife actually loves Disney Springs so when were there for a 9 night trip we usually take a water park day with Disney Springs evening and a 2nd full day at Disney Springs.

 

[DznyRktekt]

I've long since stopped going to evening EMH hours, they are the absolute worst. At this point just get rid of them entirely and offer the After Hours hard ticket multiple times per week.

Kinda like E-ride nights back in the day. Only they were $12.50 additional per adult for 3 extra hours with only 5000+/- people in the Magic Kingdom.

 

[disneyflush]

Eventually WDW will have 50,000 rooms on property. With 3 people per room and 3 fast passes each that will total 450,000 fast passes a day. If the parks were open just 9 hours a day, that is 50,000 fast passes an hour. With 4 parks that is just 12,250 past passes per hour per park. Does anyone here doubt that each parks capacity is much higher than that small number? One last thing even with these new rooms having 60 access, there are still less than 35,000 rooms with 60 days fast pass plus.

Do we know what percentage of guests (representing the 12,250) stay on-site versus off-site/day guests/annual passholders by chance? 25% maybe? This may be a known number, I really am not sure.

 

[CLEtoWDW]

It’s just my opinion...but I think this a “driver” combined with a Disney trademark PR game

Well someone is going to get fired if that’s the play.

 

[jt04]

Do we know what percentage of guests (representing the 12,250) stay on-site versus off-site/day guests/annual passholders by chance? 25% maybe? This may be a known number, I really am not sure.

Are we actually talking high numbers here? Do people who stay at BC really care about FPs and EMH?

 

[seascape]

Do we know what percentage of guests (representing the 12,250) stay on-site versus off-site/day guests/annual passholders by chance? 25% maybe? This may be a known number, I really am not sure.

I am not sure either. But Disney should be more interested in maximizing its attendance and profits. By the time they do get up to the 50,000 rooms the 4 parks will all have large expansions and more capacity. Epcot should have some type of attraction added to each country that currently don't have one. They should also update every Pavilion in Future world. AK has land for expansion. Hollywood Studios needs much more expansion into the parking lot behind Star Tours and on the other side of Toy Story land and behind RnRC. MK is in desperate need of expansion all over the park.

If WDW did everything they need to do, they could attract 75 million a year and it would seem less crowded than it is now.

 

[JohnnyAmerican]

in a related/unrelated way, this shows us how strong the economy has become. I was shocked at the crowds in Oct 2017 and how many folks were paying for premium upgrades. Di$ney is capitalizing on the economy and consumer confidence...squeeze, baby, squeeze

 

[JohnnyAmerican]

I am not sure either. But Disney should be more interested in maximizing its attendance and profits. By the time they do get up to the 50,000 rooms the 4 parks will all have large expansions and more capacity. Epcot should have some type of attraction added to each country that currently don't have one. They should also update every Pavilion in Future world. AK has land for expansion. Hollywood Studios needs much more expansion into the parking lot behind Star Tours and on the other side of Toy Story land and behind RnRC. MK is in desperate need of expansion all over the park.

If WDW did everything they need to do, they could attract 75 million a year and it would seem less crowded than it is now.

5th gate, also?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well someone is going to get fired if that’s the play.

Nope...they’ll get promotEd.

Because If the goal is to drive people more upsells...and the consumer can’t say “no”...and they pay and alter the deal for everyone...

Then that person gets what’s called “partners in excellence”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

in a related/unrelated way, this shows us how strong the economy has become. I was shocked at the crowds in Oct 2017 and how many folks were paying for premium upgrades. Di$ney is capitalizing on the economy and consumer confidence...squeeze, baby, squeeze

You probably know that the picture is a bit misleadingly..but this “boom” economy is not good for the WDW clientele

5th gate, also?

Nope...that’s a completely different thing

 

[seascape]

5th gate, also?

Possible but not needed if they expand the 4 existing parks. They could easily expand the 4 parks with more rides and attractions at lower cost than a new gate would require and end up with lower operating costs because they won't need the ticket windows, security workers and gate workers. Adding 5 rides to each park would be a total of 20 and a couple of shows, i.e. bring back the MK theater, and it could add 50,000 people an hour capacity.

 

[DIGGER68]

I've long since stopped going to evening EMH hours, they are the absolute worst. At this point just get rid of them entirely and offer the After Hours hard ticket multiple times per week.

Most likely that exact line was on the powerpoint from the strategic planning team. Seriously, not an accident it worked out this way.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Possible but not needed if they expand the 4 existing parks. They could easily expand the 4 parks with more rides and attractions at lower cost than a new gate would require and end up with lower operating costs because they won't need the ticket windows, security workers and gate workers. Adding 5 rides to each park would be a total of 20 and a couple of shows, i.e. bring back the MK theater, and it could add 50,000 people an hour capacity.

No 5th park...reasons are clear:
Labor
Increase the overhead
Park canibalization

Making big things “bigger” is a proven path to making them “smaller” in the Long run.

Most likely that exact line was on the powerpoint from the strategic planning team. Seriously, not an accident it worked out this way.

Exactly...and buying it is how a “cold” turns into a “plague” on the masses