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Lhriangel
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My favorite? The on in the MK on main street hehe..
they make fresh waffle bowls for the ice cream sundaes... mmmmmmmm soooo good. Okay I'm getting hungry again hehe.
*does a little dance* I'm supposed to go to bed soon cause Ray is picked me up at 10 and I have to get up at 8 and start getting ready lol *blah*
they make fresh waffle bowls for the ice cream sundaes... mmmmmmmm soooo good. Okay I'm getting hungry again hehe.
*does a little dance* I'm supposed to go to bed soon cause Ray is picked me up at 10 and I have to get up at 8 and start getting ready lol *blah*
FantasiaBish
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Sorry I missed all the fun last night, I have to work werly this am so I had to get some sleep, but I would hav eloved to have been in on this converstation.
1st I think that it is wonderful that that hag got 2nd degree muder for what her vicious dog did, maybe this will wake people up and let them see they must be responsible gfor what their dogs do, and 2nd, Inresponse to what you said about drunk drivers only getting manslaughter for killing innocents, I think that is BS-That is no different from taking a gun a shooting someone, they know before they go out they shouldn't drive but do it anyway and when they crash tehir car they always seem to be very slightly injured, if at all, while killing someone else. We recently had a teen kill a man in a head-on collision and was paroled after serving on a few months, she was seen, shortly thereafter, in a bar, getting drunk, some people will never learn. Anyway that's my soapbox for now. Talk to y'all later.
I don't think Tramp was implying that they weren't responsible, just that the charge was excessive according to legal precedent!
Murder implies more intent than manslaughter....if you fire a gun at someone, and he dies, it is reasonable to pressume that you intended to kill him. If a child kills himself taking a gun out of a drawer, it was not anyone's intent that he die, although it can (in Florida) be ruled manslaughter.
In regards to DUI, what about a parent who doesn't put a child into age appropriate restraints, and that child dies in an accident. Is that murder? Just like the drinker, that person knew that his/her actions were endangering another person. Yet I doubt that that parent would be charged with murder, and probably not even manslaughter. Maybe negligent homicide or child endangerment, something like that ???..any attorneys, please feel free to jump in here!!!
I personally feel that if a child is killed using a trampoline, the owner (based on your criteria) should be charged with manslaughter, or even 2nd degree murder, as I've read most of the research on the subject, and they are (in my opinion)inherently dangerous! However, I don't think we should go around charging people based on our feelings!
And I know I am in the minority on this...so far!
I'm not trying to start an argument (debate, maybe ) but think it is interesting to see the difference in opinion.
BUT LET"S ALL BE NICE ABOUT IT, OK???!!!!
Murder implies more intent than manslaughter....if you fire a gun at someone, and he dies, it is reasonable to pressume that you intended to kill him. If a child kills himself taking a gun out of a drawer, it was not anyone's intent that he die, although it can (in Florida) be ruled manslaughter.
In regards to DUI, what about a parent who doesn't put a child into age appropriate restraints, and that child dies in an accident. Is that murder? Just like the drinker, that person knew that his/her actions were endangering another person. Yet I doubt that that parent would be charged with murder, and probably not even manslaughter. Maybe negligent homicide or child endangerment, something like that ???..any attorneys, please feel free to jump in here!!!
I personally feel that if a child is killed using a trampoline, the owner (based on your criteria) should be charged with manslaughter, or even 2nd degree murder, as I've read most of the research on the subject, and they are (in my opinion)inherently dangerous! However, I don't think we should go around charging people based on our feelings!
And I know I am in the minority on this...so far!I'm not trying to start an argument (debate, maybe
) but think it is interesting to see the difference in opinion.BUT LET"S ALL BE NICE ABOUT IT, OK???!!!!
Debbie
Well-Known Member
One thing you need to remember is most of Pres. Bush's language is salty. When he says the "make no mistake about it " line; it's probably the nicest alternative as opposed to ***** **** ***** ***** ******. Personally I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in Airforce One on 9/11; just to hear him. He was doing some cussing and it's a wonder he didn't slip when he landed to make a statement in Schreveport La.
Debbie
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Understanding the different "degrees" of murder and manslaughter; it's mindboggling. Different states have different interpretations. For example: my girlfriend's sister was trying to make a break from her ex-husband. He stalked her and would be gone the minute the police would arrive. One day as she arrived for work; he pulled up, pulled out a shotgun. She pleaded for her life as her horrified co-workers looked on (and called 911). He then blew her away and proceeded to hide in the swamps for a couple of days. He was eventually apprehended. What was he charged with? 2nd degree murder? Go figure. Why not 1st degree? Because in the dumb state of ours; in order for this to have been 1st degree, he would have had to rape, or rob, the victim. The fact that he just got out the car and killed her only constituted 2nd degree and here 2nd degree is a mandatory life sentence. No lethal injection, no chair, etc. so why is this guy allowed to sit in jail, eat three squares a day, have a place to sleep, while Donna's three children; one of whom turned 1 the day she was buried, have to be raised by other people, not their mom?Originally posted by The Mom
I don't think Tramp was implying that they weren't responsible, just that the charge was excessive according to legal precedent!
Murder implies more intent than manslaughter....if you fire a gun at someone, and he dies, it is reasonable to pressume that you intended to kill him. If a child kills himself taking a gun out of a drawer, it was not anyone's intent that he die, although it can (in Florida) be ruled manslaughter.
In regards to DUI, what about a parent who doesn't put a child into age appropriate restraints, and that child dies in an accident. Is that murder? Just like the drinker, that person knew that his/her actions were endangering another person. Yet I doubt that that parent would be charged with murder, and probably not even manslaughter. Maybe negligent homicide or child endangerment, something like that ???..any attorneys, please feel free to jump in here!!!
I personally feel that if a child is killed using a trampoline, the owner (based on your criteria) should be charged with manslaughter, or even 2nd degree murder, as I've read most of the research on the subject, and they are (in my opinion)inherently dangerous! However, I don't think we should go around charging people based on our feelings!
I'm not trying to start an argument (debate, maybe
BUT LET"S ALL BE NICE ABOUT IT, OK???!!!!
Exactly! In Florida, he would (I think) have been charged with 1st degree murder, and sent for a visit to "Old Sparky" I'm not saying that I'm for or against capital punishment, just that not all crimes are punished uniformly within the US, and even vary from courtroom to courtroom.
Was what these "dog" people did the equivilant of what your friend's sister's ex did? I guess it depends upon the judge!
Lance
Active Member
I think every American realizes that GW isn't the World's Greatest Speaker, not even close to being the best.
President Clinton was a great speaker, and we're just seeing the downgrade in speech from Clinton to GW.
I'm just glad someone told him to stop using the word "evil" every minute.
I'm gonna stop there, because last time I opened my mouth about politics, Steve got rid of the thread.
Maria
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Ok.... here goes my non american point of view....
First of all... could someone clear up for me the differences between "Manslaughter", 1st and 2nd degree murder? I specially don´t understand what manslaughter is. Thank you!
Secondly, I don´t agree with death penalty. I don´t think anyone has the right to take somebody else´s life, but God. If you are not religious (and I don´t intend to preach), just take it as respecting everybody´s right to live... hehe
I believe that if someone killed somebody, there is no better punishment than sending this person to jail for life. I can´t even imagine how terrible it should be looking at the same old walls for the rest of my life, like a in a cage. If he is killed by the chair or any other way, that doesn´t make us better than he is (but that´s another subject), and he suffers not even the tenth part of what the victim and his relatives have already suffered.
Just my point of view...
First of all... could someone clear up for me the differences between "Manslaughter", 1st and 2nd degree murder? I specially don´t understand what manslaughter is. Thank you!
Secondly, I don´t agree with death penalty. I don´t think anyone has the right to take somebody else´s life, but God. If you are not religious (and I don´t intend to preach), just take it as respecting everybody´s right to live... hehe
I believe that if someone killed somebody, there is no better punishment than sending this person to jail for life. I can´t even imagine how terrible it should be looking at the same old walls for the rest of my life, like a in a cage. If he is killed by the chair or any other way, that doesn´t make us better than he is (but that´s another subject), and he suffers not even the tenth part of what the victim and his relatives have already suffered.
Just my point of view...
Originally posted by Maria
Ok.... here goes my non american point of view....
First of all... could someone clear up for me the differences between "Manslaughter", 1st and 2nd degree murder? I specially don´t understand what manslaughter is. Thank you!
It is all a matter of planning and advance knowledge. I would have to go to law school to give you the exact definition of each, and it varies from state to state.
1st degree involves premeditation...you think about it, plan it, then do what is needed to carry out your plan. Poisoning your husband might qualify. The instance Debbie spoke about might (in some states)
2nd degree involves doing something that a reasonable person would be very sure would result in death, but involves less planning. I think someone who shoots someone in the course of robbing a store, etc might be charged with this. The fact that you're armed means it's likely that someone might get killed, but that wasn't the primary purpose of your crime.
Manslaughter means that you have done something that caused someone else's death, but you weren't intending to commit a crime. Killing someone in a fight, or killing someone while driving drunk, might fall under this. Perhaps having a vicious dog kill someone should have fallen under this.
However, I don't know the EXACT legal definition, and apparently not all lawyers, judges, etc can agree on it either!
As I said earlier....Any lawyers out there?
Maria
New Member
Thank you Mom! That was clear enough I think... at least, it looks like I understood! hehehe... My dad is a lawyer and kind of told me the same. However, the law is different from here, so it may not be the same.
Now I think this couple should have been charged of manslaughter, but I guess that like someone mentioned, the jury didn´t like the idea of them not having any remorse for what had happened.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
now...we didn't hear much about it...but they kinda allude to something in many of the articles. They gay community pushing for 2nd degree murder. I have a sneaking suspicion that:
a) Ms. Wilson resented the fact that Ms. Whipple had a "domestic partner"
b) some sort of exchange had occurred between Wilson and Whipple regarding this
If you look into the story, Wilson's husband only got convicted of manslaughter, but Wilson was convicted of 2nd Degree Murder. Both of them trained the dogs to be killers, so Wilson did something else...also, keep in mind Wilson had a pathetic defense attorney who, as I said, crawled around the courtroom on all fours as the judge protested...
a) Ms. Wilson resented the fact that Ms. Whipple had a "domestic partner"
b) some sort of exchange had occurred between Wilson and Whipple regarding this
If you look into the story, Wilson's husband only got convicted of manslaughter, but Wilson was convicted of 2nd Degree Murder. Both of them trained the dogs to be killers, so Wilson did something else...also, keep in mind Wilson had a pathetic defense attorney who, as I said, crawled around the courtroom on all fours as the judge protested...
As you mention, there is probably more to it. If the defendant was fighting with the victim, and/or set the "trained to kill" dogs on her purposely, I suppose that would be the same as shooting someone. Not quite the same as the dogs attacking her as she passed by!