osian
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2-3 IPs? What are they?
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osian
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Some people don't like the fact that there are absolutely zero non-IP attractions left in EPCOT, which of course ruins EPCOT cohesiveness, compared to the 2-3 IP ones. (BTW I don't count).Like I said it doesn’t impact my visit. I don’t count. That’s a good thing. No?
I don’t exactly let it bunch up my undies like some here..
Jrb1979
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You can enjoy the parks and still have the opinion the IP doesn't fit.Like I said it doesn’t impact my visit. I don’t count. That’s a good thing. No?
I don’t exactly let it bunch up my undies like some here.
Purduevian
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What IPs are in SSE, Mission Space, Test Track, Living with the Land, Soarin, Figment (kinda), Canada Movie, French Movie (not the B&tB sing a long one), and the China movie?
EDIT: Also missed the American Adventure!
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Jrb1979
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IMO Epcot should have stayed IP free
Epcot82Guy
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While I agree personally, I do get the need given the focus on Disney as a "brand" and the audience they want. I am coming around to the good use of IP. (my how far I've fallen...) I personally think Luminous is a great example of potential. Not that it's perfect. But, rather the idea of what Luminous with Harmonious' (heck half Harmonious') budget could be. The abandonment of any care about cohesive theme that is more than surface is what bothers me.
As I've long said on here, this is coming down to bad storytelling. MK has a bigger problem with fit. Epcot (aside from sightlines) is much more about the actual story of these attractions. Nemo, Guardians, FEA, Remy, Poppins, HARM, BATB sing along, even Grand Fiesta... they all have nothing to do with the THEME of Epcot. Ironically, people talk about how they made Guardians fit by focusing on showcasing a (fictional) people's technology like World Showcase. But, with all of the World Showcase additions I mentioned above, THEY ARE ACTIVELY DISMANTLING THAT STORY! They are eroding the World Showcase pavilions as presentations of the country and then trying to actively reference that story in Guardians.
It feels like these decisions are being made by people who were given a guidemap of Epcot. They don't understand the park, let alone have any fandom or appreciation. And, it's leaving the park (well, let's be honest, parks and hotels...) as a garbled mess THEME wise. And, every one of these rides could have easily fit into EPCOT's story (inspiration from the real world) with a better story.
Jrb1979
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I would rather they dust off the original plans of the Rhine River cruise and the My Fuji coaster.
IMO Harry Potter has hurt the parks more than helped. Now both Universal and Disney see the success of IP lands and think that's what best for business.
Epcot82Guy
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Both would be awesome - though a Studio Ghibli cat bus simulator through the films would be high on my Japan list.
With that, now I'm really torn. Given the current state, I almost wish they would put an IP into each country so we can at least have a consistent story. (Showcasing countries around the world that inspired some of our favorite Disney stories.) Having this weird combo of country-specific pavilions, country-specific pavilions that kind of use IP (like Fiesta and Regal Eagle) and then hybrid real country/Fantasyland dark ride is the worst for me. I would rather a fully complete IP invasion vs. the mishmash.
Disstevefan1
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The hanging "coaster" looks cool they way it will loads. I am sure it will be themed nicely. This looks to be a very mild hanging coaster much like the one that was at Cypress Gardens a very long time ago.
The one thing I remember about the Cypress Gardens coaster is that it went TOO SLOW and as a result your head would bang side to side instead of allowing gravity to pin your head to the headrest.
Lets hope it does not happen here.
The one thing I remember about the Cypress Gardens coaster is that it went TOO SLOW and as a result your head would bang side to side instead of allowing gravity to pin your head to the headrest.
Lets hope it does not happen here.
TheMaxRebo
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I think if the IP helps encourage discovery then it can apply even in EPCOT. It is still a Disney park after all
I actually think something like Remy does that well as people go for the fun ride but then exposed to the idea of the architecture of France, the food, they hear French being spoke in the ride and the queue, etc. ... people could ride that (along with rest of pavilion) and be encouraged to want to experience more of France and maybe visit there. I think Gran Fiesta does that too it's just very out dated. Frozen doesn't really work for me as it isn't an actual place shown it's a fictional land that isn't actually Norway
So if they ever put in the river ride in Germany and it is just a Tangled book report ride, that woudln't be great in my mind, but if they leverage Rapunzel, etc to showcase some of Germany then it can work
Epcot82Guy
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Totally agree. Remy is close, which is almost more frustrating. It didn't need the cartoonish architecture outside. It just needed a dash of - "I'm going to teach them about classic French technique" vs. just making us dinner. Have Remy's cookbook in an exit gift shop. SOMETHING beyond just happening to take place in France. That attraction could happen in NYC, LA, Tokyo and be exactly the same, so I struggle to say it has anything to do with France other than setting. That's the problem. You shouldn't be able to directly lift an Epcot attraction like these into Fantasyland or Studios and have it fit (and vice versa). And, to your point, some offenders are farther off the mark than others.
Epcot82Guy
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They are literally called "Hang and Bangs" in the coaster enthusiast world.
Jrb1979
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The old Vekoma family coasters were. I think this is more likely to be similar to Dragonflier at Dollywood. Unfortunately it will have the same thrill level
Disstevefan1
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Oh boy, I did not know it was common! The Cypress Gardens one was terrible!
It was so uncomfortable it was a one and done!
I am sure Disney knows about this and this will not be the case
osian
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My comment was a sarcastic response to the previous poster who obviously was not able to count. I do know the counts. Here are the 2-3 IP-based attractions off the top of my head:
Beauty and the Beast
Imagination
Frozen Ever After
The Seas
Journey of Water
Cosmic Rewind
Gran Fiesta Tour
Pixar Film Fest
Ratatouille
Luminous
It is indeed gettng to the point where half the park is now about Disney movies.
Oh, and I don't know how Disney is going to be able to compete with the 5 new parks that Universal is opening in 2 weeks time.
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Mr. Sullivan
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You can’t be serious
Mr. Sullivan
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The old ones from the 70s-90s are definitely. The new ones don’t have that problem because they are now designed with that in mind by people who coined that phrase to start with when they were the people riding them.Oh boy, I did not know it was common! The Cypress Gardens one was terrible!
It was so uncomfortable it was a one and done!
I am sure Disney knows about this and this will not be the case
The new family suspended coasters from Vekoma are some of the smoothest coasters in the world.
Mr. Sullivan
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You’re a coaster enthusiast and have never heard “hang and bang?” I’m not even a thoosie and I’ve heard that almost my whole life in reference to the old suspended coasters from the 70s and 80s and 90s
SamusAranX
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They actually do a lot of good for their animals, but they lost a lot of goodwill and currency with how they treated their orcas. Thankfully that’s being course corrected, but the damage was done.
Vegas Disney Fan
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The Vekoma SLCs from the 90s and early 2000s were notorious for how bad they were, the B&M suspended coasters from the same era were known for being comfortable and smooth though.