News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Let’s see what happens. I personally have no faith they can to anything in a timely manner, I remember it felt like it took forever for Pandora and of course we all know how long it took for the EPCOT mistake to be completed ( I know, pandemic, bla, bla, bla)

I am happy to be wrong on this one. It’s going to take at least three years from (starting some time in 2025?) to find out.
I think most of the time the delays are not an accident. They delay things to spread out costs. However, in this case the money has been “spent”, meaning Wall Street already has that cash outflow factored in to results for at least the next 5 years which of course includes the other parks and cruise ships but WDW will have some new competition down the road so they have good incentives to follow through. The stuff after Villians that hasn’t been formally announced is much less likely to happen. Not saying it won‘t but there’s a lot of time. Obviously any plans can change or be cancelled if there’s a major economic downturn or something as disruptive as covid again. Potential labor shortages could delay some of this work too, but Disney has to be preparing for that.

As far as Pandora, there was a long delay between announcement and open of the land but the construction phase was the standard 3+ years from ground break to open. Disney entered into the licensing agreement with Fox and Cameron in September 2011 for the theme park rights to Avatar. Since this was a substantial agreement between 2 public companies it had to be disclosed publicly in SEC filings at the end of that quarter anyway (9/30/11) so they went public with the news long before any design was complete. It wasn’t until January 2014 that they broke ground on the land and it opened in May 2017 so 3 years and 4 months of actual construction. Time from announcement until opening was just short of 6 years but there were reasons for that.

If they don’t break ground on these projects in the next year then I’d say the timeline is almost certain to slip. I don’t see any of them taking less than 3 years to build.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
So...assuming Mama Melrose becomes Harryhausen's....

Considering all the rumours flying around, for my recent trip a month ago I made a point of grabbing a reservation at Mama Melrose as it was somewhere I hadn't got to yet. I thought it was a lovely restaurant and I had a great meal.

I'm not familiar with the movie franchise, so I looked it up and apparently Harryhausen's is a sushi restaurant, pan-Asian generally.

So are we expecting this in the new Monstropolis land, that what was Italian before now becomes Asian?
That is the theory most here believe will be true. Disney didn’t officially announce it but I can’t see them keeping the menu Italian. I do wonder if they will re-imagine a different restaurant in the park to Italian since it’s generally pretty popular. If you are looking for a good Italian meal nearby the place on the board walk is pretty good. It’s a short boat or skyway ride away.

It‘s also unknown what will happen to the quick service location that is currently Pizza Rizzo. That could stay pizza and just get rethemed to Monsters. It’s gone from Toy Story Pizza Planet to Muppets so a re-theme is possible. It’s also possible they redo it to something completely different. Kids and Pizza are always a winning combo but that is some below average pizza for sure. I’m hoping for a menu upgrade.
 

flyerjab

Well-Known Member
I am not sure it will be that that long. When the original announcement was made the expectation was that construction for Monsters would begin in 2025. I have not seen anyone suggest otherwise more recently.
I cannot imagine Monsters Land takes more than 3 years to build since there is not a lot of demo to do (1 gift shop and some backstage stuff) and only 1 new ride. So that puts Monsters into 2028 maybe 2029 if they really stretch things. I was assuming Tropical Americas 2027, Monsters 2028, Cars 2029 and Villians 2030. The last 2 have substantial demo and a lot more moving parts so could easily slip. Monsters should be next after AK. The Muppet overlay of RNRC shouldn’t take very long either. Depends on whether they do it before or after Monsters opens but either way everything related to Monsters/Muppets will be done sooner than 5-7 years from now.

The future, unannounced project for AC area could be 5-7 years out or could never get greenlit. Who knows. It’s all speculation right now.
What I like about this is the similarity it has to 2009 up to the pandemic. There is a plan in place for new offerings each year, with new lands, rides and experiences to drive both new and repeat attendance.

2025 has the news parade, ToL show, new Little Mermaid show and Test Track 3.0. I would their the new Poly tower in there also.

2026 - I have no idea, aside from maybe the Lakeside Lodge DVC.

But between 2027 through 2029, we have Tropical Americas, Monstropolis, Cars Land and Villians Land. Add in a fully refurbed BTM and I am assuming a new drone show somewhere, along with new dining/shopping in DS as places close.

I love the schedule of new experiences spread out over multiple years. I remember back in 2014 through the end of 2019, it seemed like there was a constant string of new offerings. We started going so frequently that we added on to our DVC during that time and purchased our annual passes. Looking forward to all this new stuff again. And with Epic Universe opening, that will have us going to Florida even more. Fun times!
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
What I like about this is the similarity it has to 2009 up to the pandemic. There is a plan in place for new offerings each year, with new lands, rides and experiences to drive both new and repeat attendance.

2025 has the news parade, ToL show, new Little Mermaid show and Test Track 3.0. I would their the new Poly tower in there also.

2026 - I have no idea, aside from maybe the Lakeside Lodge DVC.

But between 2027 through 2029, we have Tropical Americas, Monstropolis, Cars Land and Villians Land. Add in a fully refurbed BTM and I am assuming a new drone show somewhere, along with new dining/shopping in DS as places close.

I love the schedule of new experiences spread out over multiple years. I remember back in 2014 through the end of 2019, it seemed like there was a constant string of new offerings. We started going so frequently that we added on to our DVC during that time and purchased our annual passes. Looking forward to all this new stuff again. And with Epic Universe opening, that will have us going to Florida even more. Fun times!
For theme park fans agnostic to brand the rest of this decade will have a ton of new stuff to do in Orlando between Epic in 2025 and the potential Epic phase 2 later this decade plus all of the Disney additions between 2027 and 2030. Should be a fun time assuming no major economic downturns derail things. I am also looking forward to getting out to DLR to see all the new stuff there as well.
 

Ice Gator

Well-Known Member
I feel like adding Alien and Planet of the Apes to DHS would be a great way to set it apart from MK
I wouldn’t be opposed to this in the future. It would set DHS apart from the other parks and it kind of already is the “thrill ride” theme park with IP themed lands. We already had Alien in GMR, so why not? Anything but more Star Wars, Frozen, Moana, etc.
 

flyerjab

Well-Known Member
For theme park fans agnostic to brand the rest of this decade will have a ton of new stuff to do in Orlando between Epic in 2025 and the potential Epic phase 2 later this decade plus all of the Disney additions between 2027 and 2030. Should be a fun time assuming no major economic downturns derail things. I am also looking forward to getting out to DLR to see all the new stuff there as well.
Agreed. My wife and I finally took a west coast trip this summer. We did Aulani, Disneyland and California Adventure. Disneyland was pure, unadulterated magic. And we had the best time exploring Downtown Disney and DCA.

We are now including the Disneyland area in our annual travel plans now. I am just as excited for the expansion plans out West.

To use your term, I am not a legacy fan, so nostalgia of a company from the 50s through the 80s doesn’t impact my expectations of the parks. It ceased being Walt’s concepts a long time ago It would seem. I guess these forums have become a place for commiserating for some. For me, I am still wowed but what they do and can’t wait to see beyond 2030.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Agreed. My wife and I finally took a west coast trip this summer. We did Aulani, Disneyland and California Adventure. Disneyland was pure, unadulterated magic. And we had the best time exploring Downtown Disney and DCA.

We are now including the Disneyland area in our annual travel plans now. I am just as excited for the expansion plans out West.

To use your term, I am not a legacy fan, so nostalgia of a company from the 50s through the 80s doesn’t impact my expectations of the parks. It ceased being Walt’s concepts a long time ago It would seem. I guess these forums have become a place for commiserating for some. For me, I am still wowed but what they do and can’t wait to see beyond 2030.
I grew up on the parks in the 80s and 90s. For my family a lot of the older attractions we personally find much better than a lot of the newer stuff. Some of that is the IP as we have no attachment to a lot of it. The main one is they have gone from being a immersive dark ride focused company to one that adds thrills to a lot other new attractions. The problem is at least for us is those thrills just can't compete with Universal or most regional parks.

We go to Disney for attractions like Haunted Mansion, Living with the Land, and Tiki room type attractions. Heavily themed AA attractions. We don't go to Disney for thrills as many other parks do it a lot better.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Agreed. My wife and I finally took a west coast trip this summer. We did Aulani, Disneyland and California Adventure. Disneyland was pure, unadulterated magic. And we had the best time exploring Downtown Disney and DCA.

We are now including the Disneyland area in our annual travel plans now. I am just as excited for the expansion plans out West.

To use your term, I am not a legacy fan, so nostalgia of a company from the 50s through the 80s doesn’t impact my expectations of the parks. It ceased being Walt’s concepts a long time ago It would seem. I guess these forums have become a place for commiserating for some. For me, I am still wowed but what they do and can’t wait to see beyond 2030.
It’s a longer flight for us but that’s offset by the favorable weather. Have not been to DLR since 2019. I will likely be back before WDW. I will probably avoid Orlando in 2025 until the Epic crowds die off. I’m a patient park fan so I’ll see it eventually.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Let’s see what happens. I personally have no faith they can to anything in a timely manner, I remember it felt like it took forever for Pandora and of course we all know how long it took for the EPCOT mistake to be completed ( I know, pandemic, bla, bla, bla)

I am happy to be wrong on this one. It’s going to take at least three years from (starting some time in 2025?) to find out.
From groundbreaking, all of Pandora was 3 1/2 years.

Don't know why you're assuming as much as 5-7 years for these new projects.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
From groundbreaking, all of Pandora was 3 1/2 years.

Don't know why you're assuming as much as 5-7 years for these new projects.
Not sure anyone can assume anything as it applies to Disney, they are not sure what they are doing and do change/cost cut along the way so who knows.

Oh boy it seemed longer for Pandora. Ah yes, it was 3 1/2 years to build, Pandora was in development since 2011.

If they can get anything open in 3 1/2 years from the D23 announcements back in August, I will be impressed.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
I think most of the time the delays are not an accident. They delay things to spread out costs.
Totally agree.
If they don’t break ground on these projects in the next year then I’d say the timeline is almost certain to slip. I don’t see any of them taking less than 3 years to build.
Totally agree. I will make this assumption, NONE of the projects will take less than three years.

Happy to be wrong.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Not sure anyone can assume anything as it applies to Disney, they are not sure what they are doing and do change/cost cut along the way so who knows.

Oh boy it seemed longer for Pandora. Ah yes, it was 3 1/2 years to build, Pandora was in development since 2011.

If they can get anything open in 3 1/2 years from the D23 announcements back in August, I will be impressed.
It's amazing that you took a data point, namely, all of Pandora took 3 1/2 years, and then came to the conclusion that anything else Disney builds will take significantly longer.

That's not how logic works.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Totally agree.

Totally agree. I will make this assumption, NONE of the projects will take less than three years.

Happy to be wrong.
  1. Tropical Americas - complete 2027 - breaks ground in January so depending on when in 2027 it opens could take less than 3 years
  2. Monsters Land - projected to open 2028 - construction expected to start in 2025 so likely 3ish years to build
  3. CarsLand - projected to open 2029 but nothing official on that from Disney - construction expected to start in 2025
  4. Villians Land - projected to open 2030 but nothing official from Disney - construction also starts is 2025
I don’t think Disney is guaranteeing anything will take less than 3 years. The only project with an announced opening timeframe is Tropical Americas at AK opening 2027. They have already started moving things in for construction and ground breaks in January when the carnival area closes. So that project is slated to take less than 3 years even if it opens December 2027. Since it’s only a retheme of an existing ride and one new ride with limited demo needed I think it’s doable.

I think Monsters may actually be even less work than Tropical Americas since it’s a rethemed show instead of a rethemed ride along with a new ride and rethemed restaurant so if they really break ground in 2025 as expected there is no reason to assume Monsters won‘t be done by 2028. So depending on when ground breaks in 2025 and when it opens in 2028 I’d say 3ish years with an outside shot at being under 3 years

Cars and Villians have extensive demo work, river to fill in, all new infrastructure to build. Those lands will almost certainly take more than 3 years but since they are slated to break ground in 2025 and open in 2029/2030 there’s room there for a longer construction schedule.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Not sure anyone can assume anything as it applies to Disney, they are not sure what they are doing and do change/cost cut along the way so who knows.

Oh boy it seemed longer for Pandora. Ah yes, it was 3 1/2 years to build, Pandora was in development since 2011.

If they can get anything open in 3 1/2 years from the D23 announcements back in August, I will be impressed.

Probably felt longer since the partnership to build the land was announced about 2 1/2 years before they broke ground.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
I think we’ll know pretty strongly timeframes within the next 9 months. If Cars is started, I’ll feel more confident its planned goal is for 2028. Monsters can be done on a tighter timeframe, but I still expect it to begin construction next year.

I still strongly feel the timeframe is Cars and Monsters in 2028 and Villains in 2029. My more operative question is what does 2026 look like? Is it the Muppet Aerosmith conversion and a DAK night show?
 

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