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[Chi84]

Stoicism in the face of a company that keeps making choices that make you sad isn't a virtue. This isn't a religion.

Disney's decisions - including the decision that every new attraction has to replace an old one - aren't inevitable. This isn't erosion or the tides. Its a bunch of not particularly bright guys in a room making a decision. They can be persuaded by consumer activity - they're investing now because they're afraid of how EU will change guest behavior.

Not comparing an attraction to what it replaced makes no sense and isn't how folks behave in almost any other branch of life. I believe the consensus here is that most of Disney's replacements have been downgrades. Even the one I champion, MMRR, is controversial. And remember, DISNEY DOESN'T HAVE TO REPLACE ATTRACTIONS TO BUILD NEW ONES. Disneyland, which genuinely DOES have problems with a lack of room for expansion, only lost a BBQ restaurant and half of the Rivers of America to gain SWL and their MMRR was a new build.

Again, if you feel a resort that has been exponentially raising prices (this isn't in dispute) has also been degrading the product, the theory of capitalism says you will register your discontent with your wallet. That's the way the "invisible hand" works, the way companies are supposed to be forced to be responsive.

They’re raising the prices but not everyone believes they’re degrading the product.

Change is something that happens everyday, everywhere. Accepting that and moving on isn’t bad consumer behavior if the product is still making you happy.

The alternative is not to visit WDW and some people would be much more saddened by that than by losing an attraction.

People understand what they’re doing even if you don’t like it and wish they would decide otherwise.

 

[Coaster Lover]

My only hope is that for the final showing of MuppetVision they bring Frank Oz out to perform the true, three hour, glorious version of A Salute to all Nations, but Mostly America and then actually destroy the theater afterwards

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Unless his opinion has changed a lot recently, Frank Oz has been pretty vocal with with regards to his disappointment in how Disney has handled the Muppets. I doubt he would come back for anything other than to sit on the sideline shaking his head in disbelief.

 

[Grantwil93]

Disney has no shot whatsoever at Marvel and if any executive thinks it does they should be fired right now. Right before the holidays.

MGM has LOTS of room for expansion. The idea they have to SAVE space is madness.

There are legitimate rumblings that universal might want to change Superhero Island. I don't think it's smart to do so on their part, but if they do i think it opens a door in that contract.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

We've seen copious concept art and a full model for the coaster, an idea that's been in development for over a decade.

Tell me about the new show in the Muppets theater. Live? Screens? A combo? A musical? Jukebox or original songs?

Just because we don't know details doesn't mean its not in development. We don't know much about the Bugs replacement either. Or Villains, which was just dumped on the Disney Parks Blog.

I don't need them to tell me everything 4 years out. I imagine we'll learn more at Destination D23 next year.

 

[larryz]

My understanding is it's a much more short-term thing. Think about what they could throw into a park with just a few months of planning, that doesn't involve major construction or WDI.

You mean they're bringing back the Power Rangers Street Show???

 

[Casper Gutman]

There are legitimate rumblings that universal might want to change Superhero Island. I don't think it's smart to do so on their part, but if they do i think it opens a door in that contract.

Those rumblings aren't remotely legitimate. IOA NEEDS a replacement for Lost Continent and could use one for Toon Lagoon, the Studios needs copious investment fast, and Universal has dramatically tightened it's belt and pulled back from investing anything at all. There are no projects announced for after EU, which is historically when you need to have new things opening in the preexisting parks to pull crowds. There is NO WAY Universal will give up a top notch IP it controls for next to nothing and get rid of one of the world's best attractions, all to create another area in which it needs to invest!

If that's too wordy - what possible benefit would Universal get from giving up Marvel?

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Unless his opinion has changed a lot recently, Frank Oz has been pretty vocal with with regards to his disappointment in how Disney has handled the Muppets. I doubt he would come back for anything other than to sit on the sideline shaking his head in disbelief.

"The past years, we have somebody at the tops who actually cares about the Muppets a great deal and so I'm hopeful."

 

[Casper Gutman]

Just because we don't know details doesn't mean its not in development. We don't know much about the Bugs replacement either. Or Villains, which was just dumped on the Disney Parks Blog.

I don't need them to tell me everything 4 years out. I imagine we'll learn more at Destination D23 next year.

Villains has concept art and it's the kind of quick and easy character musical show the entertainment division can churn out quickly and often does.

Does the Muppets have a stage? Does it have a backstage? Can it handle a live show?

 

[JackCH]

I agree I doubt Universal gives up the rights. But I think there is a way to make a Marvel area with some of the other heroes. Dr Strange, Ant-Man, Black Panther, etc.

 

[Grantwil93]

Those rumblings aren't remotely legitimate. IOA NEEDS a replacement for Lost Continent and could use one for Toon Lagoon, the Studios needs copious investment fast, and Universal has dramatically tightened it's belt and pulled back from investing anything at all. There are no projects announced for after EU, which is historically when you need to have new things opening in the preexisting parks to pull crowds. There is NO WAY Universal will give up a top notch IP it controls for next to nothing and get rid of one of the world's best attractions, all to create another area in which it needs to invest!

If that's too wordy - what possible benefit would Universal get from giving up Marvel?

There is no benefit, unless that rumored purchase of WB happens. Then the DC rights eventually end up with Universal and at that point, I could see it going. But outside of that unlikely scenario, I doubt it happens.

Yet rumors persist/increase that conversations are happening

 

[Casper Gutman]

I agree I doubt Universal gives up the rights. But I think there is a way to make a Marvel area with some of the other heroes. Dr Strange, Ant-Man, Black Panther, etc.

I'm fairly sure both Ant-Man and Black Panther are off-limits in Florida.

 

[Grantwil93]

I agree I doubt Universal gives up the rights. But I think there is a way to make a Marvel area with some of the other heroes. Dr Strange, Ant-Man, Black Panther, etc.

That as well, they get around it with guardians. There are enough characters available to them that they could do it. But it would probably always feel lacking without spider-man,Ironman, etc

 

[lentesta]

You mean they're bringing back the Power Rangers Street Show???

ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A SURPRISE LARRYZ

 

[Casper Gutman]

That as well, they get around it with guardians. There are enough characters available to them that they could do it. But it would probably always feel lacking without spider-man,Ironman, etc

They can't use any characters associated with Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-Men, or Spider-Man. Guardians got through a very narrow loophole because the current team is made up of D-Listers and was created after the Universal contract.

 

[Rosso11]

I agree I doubt Universal gives up the rights.

For the right price they would.

 

[JackCH]

They can't use any characters associated with Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-Men, or Spider-Man. Guardians got through a very narrow loophole because the current team is made up of D-Listers and was created after the Universal contract.

Hasn't Dr Strange appeared in the park though? And isn't there already fairly substantiated Wakanda rumors?

I have no legal knowledge of it so I'm not questioning you. I thought it was more specific than just being associated though. What I understood is it had to do with what comic you originally released the character in.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Hasn't Dr Strange appeared in the park though? And isn't there already fairly substantiated Wakanda rumors?

I have no legal knowledge of it so I'm not questioning you. I thought it was more specific than just being associated though. What I understood is it had to do with what comic you originally released the character in.

Strange is definitely on the table. He has done M&Gs (including Jollywood nights) and was featured in the nightly projection show for years.

 

[Blobbles]

Here’s my opinion. With the space between star tours and SWGE filled, Star Tours fate has officially been solidified for some point in the future. It’s gotta go with how it’s not pulling its weight. Especially with another e ticket, it’s gonna pull even less in lighting lane.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Here’s my opinion. With the space between star tours and SWGE filled, Star Tours fate has officially been solidified for some point in the future. It’s gotta go with how it’s not pulling its weight. Especially with another e ticket, it’s gonna pull even less in lighting lane.

Mark my words: if Incredibles doesn't go to Animation Courtyard, its going to Star Tours.

 

[JackCH]

Mark my words: if Incredibles doesn't go to Animation Courtyard, its going to Star Tours.

That's why I said Ant-Man haha. Seems suited for it. New technology that lets you shrink and grow with him as you fly around. But I don't know if Ant Man is available.

I was certain Incredibles was going into RnRC, which I'm actually pleased it isn't.