DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Professortango1]

MK needs work but it definitely isn't a half-day park. There is more to do there than any other Orlando park. In fact, the only park I think that has more than it is DL.

But growing up with Disneyland as a full day park, MK very much feels like a half day park. I went with a first time visitor in late Summer and by 1 PM we had done just about everything. True, Big Thunder was down for maintenance and Tron wasn't open by our visit, but we did just about everything else. Including the Belle storytelling experience and the clones of Disneyland attractions. 4 hours to complete the park. Another 2-3 to re-ride the top attractions. 6-7 hours does not a full day park make.

 

[JackCH]

They cant even properly maintain their existing parks -
Multiple sewer backups in MK
The sewer smell is still in EPCOT even after the "successful" (renovation?) of future world
They will never get the ground lighting to work reliably in the failed World Celebration area.
Tiana is still having issues

And who can forget the failed retile job at the Morocco. They don't care about tiles that are right in front of your face, you can touch and sit on! I do not think they care anymore about sightlines.

Just my opinion.

None of that is relevant to whether they care about sightlines or not.

 

[JackCH]

But growing up with Disneyland as a full day park, MK very much feels like a half day park. I went with a first time visitor in late Summer and by 1 PM we had done just about everything. True, Big Thunder was down for maintenance and Tron wasn't open by our visit, but we did just about everything else. Including the Belle storytelling experience and the clones of Disneyland attractions. 4 hours to complete the park. Another 2-3 to re-ride the top attractions. 6-7 hours does not a full day park make.

I think that is a highly unusual experience. Most people need at least a day to experience MK. If MK isn't a full day park, very few parks in the world are. And that holds whether you break it down by total attractions or just major attractions.

DL is exceptional, but even there, if Cars and Villains happens, MK will be about even with DL.

 

[Disstevefan1]

None of that seems relevant to whether they care about sightlines or not.

OK we can agree to disagree. In my opinion, they no longer care about sightlines. I will be happy to be wrong.

 

[Andrew25]

But growing up with Disneyland as a full day park, MK very much feels like a half day park. I went with a first time visitor in late Summer and by 1 PM we had done just about everything. True, Big Thunder was down for maintenance and Tron wasn't open by our visit, but we did just about everything else. Including the Belle storytelling experience and the clones of Disneyland attractions. 4 hours to complete the park. Another 2-3 to re-ride the top attractions. 6-7 hours does not a full day park make.

I'm an advocate for capacity expansions, but MK is not lacking attraction capacity.

You could be entirely right, but there's no way you did the entire park in 4 hours. Carousel of Progress (~25 mins) + Tiki Room (~10 mins) + Hall of Presidents (~25 mins) + Philarmagic (~10 mins) + Country Bear (~10 mins) alone is roughly 90 minutes of experiences if you run across the park and get to the attraction at showtime.

If you've managed to do the entire park in 4-6 hours, sell your touring plan.

 

[JackCH]

OK we can agree to disagree. In my opinion, they no longer care about sightlines. I will be happy to be wrong.

That is fine if it is your opinion. But I don't see any evidence to back it up.

 

[Disstevefan1]

That is fine if it is your opinion. But I don't see any evidence to back it up.

Yup, lets see with happens with the new Monsters area and the new Cars with the sightlines.

It will be interesting to watch.

 

[Professortango1]

I'm an advocate for capacity expansions, but MK is not lacking attraction capacity.

You could be entirely right, but there's no way you did the entire park in 4 hours. Carousel of Progress (~25 mins) + Tiki Room (~10 mins) + Hall of Presidents (~25 mins) + Philarmagic (~10 mins) + Country Bear (~10 mins) alone is roughly 90 minutes of experiences if you run across the park and get to the attraction at showtime.

If you've managed to do the entire park in 4-6 hours, sell your touring plan.

The longest we waited was 15 minutes for major attractions. We had a Fastpass (pre LL) for SDMT. We did skip TL Speedway, Buzz Lightyear, and the flat rides (Magic Carpets, Carousel, Dumbo, etc).

When I look at my most recent trip to Disneyland, in 10 hours I did the following:

Pinocchio's Daring Journey (not at MK)
Big Thunder Mountain
Tiana's Bayou Adventure
Haunted Mansion twice
Pirates
Alice in Wonderland (not at MK)
Star Tours (not at MK)
Space Mountain
Indiana Jones Adventure (not at MK)
Snow White's Enchanted Wish (not at MK)
Casey Jr Circus Train (not at MK)
Pooh 3 times
Matterhorn (not at MK)
Rise of the Resistance (not at MK)
Smuggler's Run (not at MK)
Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin (not at MK)
Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway (not at MK)
Buzz Lightyear
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage (not at MK)

So, I had 23 riding experiences in 10 hours. 12 of these attractions are not present at MK. Over half. True, MK does have some attractions not present at DL like Carousel of Progress, which I do about 1 out of every 3 trips, SDMT which I do about 1 out of every 5 trips.

 

[UNCgolf]

The longest we waited was 15 minutes for major attractions. We had a Fastpass (pre LL) for SDMT. We did skip TL Speedway, Buzz Lightyear, and the flat rides (Magic Carpets, Carousel, Dumbo, etc).

When I look at my most recent trip to Disneyland, in 10 hours I did the following:

Pinocchio's Daring Journey (not at MK)
Big Thunder Mountain
Tiana's Bayou Adventure
Haunted Mansion twice
Pirates
Alice in Wonderland (not at MK)
Star Tours (not at MK)
Space Mountain
Indiana Jones Adventure (not at MK)
Snow White's Enchanted Wish (not at MK)
Casey Jr Circus Train (not at MK)
Pooh 3 times
Matterhorn (not at MK)
Rise of the Resistance (not at MK)
Smuggler's Run (not at MK)
Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin (not at MK)
Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway (not at MK)
Buzz Lightyear
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage (not at MK)

So, I had 23 riding experiences in 10 hours. 12 of these attractions are not present at MK. Over half. True, MK does have some attractions not present at DL like Carousel of Progress, which I do about 1 out of every 3 trips, SDMT which I do about 1 out of every 5 trips.

That's an experience 99% of guests won't have, though. If you can essentially walk on to every attraction then I'm not sure there's a single park anywhere in the world that's more than a half-day park; even Disneyland would probably be doable in less than a day.

 

[Moth]

No chance of Disney getting the Marvel rights back this decade or the next.

Uni has no interest in removing their grip from Marvel at Florida. You can make a billion "rumor" news stories but the cold hard fact is that Universal has the upper hand for superheroes right now and it'd take Batman being available for licensing for them to release Marvel (and that's me guessing!).

I'm of the notion that EPCOT is the bigger target for Mahvel than DHS.


I don't expect Simps 100% either, but almost every IP under the sun I feel has been pitched for AC so who's counting?

 

[James Alucobond]

I agree, they cant even properly maintain their existing parks -
Multiple sewer backups in MK
The sewer smell is still in EPCOT even after the "successful" (renovation?) of future world
They will never get the ground lighting to work reliably in the failed World Celebration area.
Tiana is still having issues
And who can forget the failed retile job at the Morocco.

Besides that, they will be busy destroying and replacing ROA, destroying and replacing Muppets, destroying and replacing DinoLand USA etc.

Why is this your response when you can just mention TRON, Cosmic Rewind, the France expansion, and the Starcruiser approach as clear examples of lack of care regarding sightlines? Weird to just go off on a tangent about unrelated issues when the supporting evidence is already there.

 

[Professortango1]

That's an experience 99% of guests won't have, though. If you can essentially walk on to every attraction then I'm not sure there's a single park anywhere in the world that's more than a half-day park; even Disneyland would probably be doable in less than a day.

Every guest who was there in late Summer was having the same experience we did...

When I look at pound for pound with rides like Indiana Jones, Smuggler's Run, Star Tours, Rise of the Resistance, Finding Nemo Subs, Mickey and Minnie's RRR, Snow White, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, Matterhorn, Car-Toon Spin....I don't find they are offset with attractions like Tron, SDMT, CoP, Hall of Presidents, and PhilharMagic.

Tron is the only must-hit for me at MK that I don't have at DLR. American Adventure is a far better show than Hall of Presidents, and I can watch Lincoln at Disneyland. I appreciate Country Bears, but Vacation Hoedown was the strongest show and the current new show is bland without any fun visual gags.

When I visit the Florida parks, I just find that they took the line-up of Disneyland's big hitters and spread them across MK and DHS. Its why Epcot and AK are the parks I visit the most, even if they too are lacking the number of attractions. MK has always felt like Diet Disneyland to me.

That's not to say that experiences like CoP and Country Bears are bad or without merit, but they are the charming attractions which help fill in between the big heavy hitters. But with fewer heavy hitters and fewer darkrides, the park feels like almost an entire park of B sides. I think MK might be tied with DCA as my least favourite US Disney Park.

 

[JackCH]

Why is this your response when you can just mention TRON, Cosmic Rewind, the France expansion, and the Starcruiser approach as clear examples of lack of care regarding sightlines? Weird to just go off on a tangent about unrelated issues when the supporting evidence is already there.

Yeah, these are at least relevant. Though I still don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be. I don't notice them sticking out in the park at all.

 

[JackCH]

Every guest who was there in late Summer was having the same experience we did...

When I look at pound for pound with rides like Indiana Jones, Smuggler's Run, Star Tours, Rise of the Resistance, Finding Nemo Subs, Mickey and Minnie's RRR, Snow White, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, Matterhorn, Car-Toon Spin....I don't find they are offset with attractions like Tron, SDMT, CoP, Hall of Presidents, and PhilharMagic.

Tron is the only must-hit for me at MK that I don't have at DLR. American Adventure is a far better show than Hall of Presidents, and I can watch Lincoln at Disneyland. I appreciate Country Bears, but Vacation Hoedown was the strongest show and the current new show is bland without any fun visual gags.

When I visit the Florida parks, I just find that they took the line-up of Disneyland's big hitters and spread them across MK and DHS. Its why Epcot and AK are the parks I visit the most, even if they too are lacking the number of attractions. MK has always felt like Diet Disneyland to me.

I don't want to question your experience... but this is just so widely not what is experienced and reported by people I just find it hard to believe. And again, if this is your measure for what qualifies as a "full-day" park, then Disneyland is one of like 3 in the world that would qualify.

Take Disneyland out of it, what other parks would be full day?

 

[UNCgolf]

Every guest who was there in late Summer was having the same experience we did...

When I look at pound for pound with rides like Indiana Jones, Smuggler's Run, Star Tours, Rise of the Resistance, Finding Nemo Subs, Mickey and Minnie's RRR, Snow White, Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, Matterhorn, Car-Toon Spin....I don't find they are offset with attractions like Tron, SDMT, CoP, Hall of Presidents, and PhilharMagic.

Tron is the only must-hit for me at MK that I don't have at DLR. American Adventure is a far better show than Hall of Presidents, and I can watch Lincoln at Disneyland. I appreciate Country Bears, but Vacation Hoedown was the strongest show and the current new show is bland without any fun visual gags.

When I visit the Florida parks, I just find that they took the line-up of Disneyland's big hitters and spread them across MK and DHS. Its why Epcot and AK are the parks I visit the most, even if they too are lacking the number of attractions. MK has always felt like Diet Disneyland to me.

I'm not arguing MK vs. Disneyland; Disneyland obviously offers more -- just that if MK is a half-day park, every park in Orlando is one at best, and almost every park in the world is one. I personally prefer AK to MK, and definitely preferred golden age EPCOT (not sure about current EPCOT... still love the World Showcase, but former Future World is so poor compared to what used to be there), but MK has a lot.

 

[James Alucobond]

Yeah, these are at least relevant. Though I still don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be. I don't notice them sticking out in the park at all.

TRON is really bad from Storybook Circus, the train, and the Contemporary. It's just that a lot of people don't bother going to Storybook Circus and some don't care about the resort views for whatever reason. Cosmic Rewind is really bad when approaching the park and when looking back from World Showcase, which some also don't care about, but I really hate that it competes with Spaceship Earth. It isn't even all that well hidden when within World Discovery.

I can excuse France somewhat and the Starcruiser is no longer relevant, but France would be such an easy fix that it's insanely frustrating.

 

[Professortango1]

I don't want to question your experience... but this is just so widely not what is experienced and reported by people I just find it hard to believe. And again, if this is your measure for what qualifies as a "full-day" park, then Disneyland is one of like 3 in the world that would qualify.

Take Disneyland out of it, what other parks would be full day?

Six Flags Magic Mountain, Epcot, Alton Towers as far as I've experienced. I still want to visit Dollywood, Efteling, Tokyo Disney Seas, and Shangai Disney.

 

[Agent H]

TRON is really bad from Storybook Circus, the train, and the Contemporary. It's just that a lot of people don't bother going to Storybook Circus and some don't care about the resort views for whatever reason. Cosmic Rewind is really bad when approaching the park and when looking back from World Showcase, which some also don't care about, but I really hate that it competes with Spaceship Earth. It isn't even all that well hidden when within World Discovery.

I can excuse France somewhat and the Starcruiser is no longer relevant, but France would be such an easy fix that it's insanely frustrating.

I never did starcuiser for obvious reasons what was the problem with the sight lines there?

 

[Professortango1]

I'm not arguing MK vs. Disneyland; Disneyland obviously offers more -- just that if MK is a half-day park, every park in Orlando is one at best, and almost every park in the world is one. I personally prefer AK to MK, and definitely preferred golden age EPCOT (not sure about current EPCOT... still love the World Showcase, but former Future World is so poor compared to what used to be there), but MK has a lot.

If Disneyland is a full day park and MK offers less...it's what? A 66% day park? A 2/3's day park?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Why is this your response when you can just mention TRON, Cosmic Rewind, the France expansion, and the Starcruiser approach as clear examples of lack of care regarding sightlines? Weird to just go off on a tangent about unrelated issues when the supporting evidence is already there.

Thanks as always for your thoughtful response. OK we can go with yours.

Personally I think TRON fits in Tomorrow land, I never considered the sightlines from other lands. I need to look next time, also I happen to like TRON and it was an excellent actual ADDITION to Tomorrow land so I am biased.

Looking at the map, TRON is probably seen from parts of Fantasyland so you did show good proof Disney does not care about sightlines. Thanks for that.

I guess my analogy was not as clear as it should have been. My thinking was with all the mistakes I listed in other areas, how could it be they care about sightlines?

Maybe they will get the sightlines correct for Monsters land, Cars land, Villains land and Tropical Americas area.

It will be interesting to watch in the many, many years to come.