News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Casper Gutman]

While most people think the Muppetvision theater will be repurposed into some sort of laugh floor like attraction, is it possible they might be eyeing some sort of C-D ticket dark ride for the spot as well?

Where did this idea Muppets would be repurposed as a show come from? Everything I’ve seen indicates this will be a land with ONE (sub 60 second) ride.

You know, if we didn’t need full lands for every new attraction Monsters could fit elsewhere in Muppets plaza… but that’s crazy talk.

 

[WorldExplorer]

You could make something really cool and unique out of a rollercoaster in a universe where screaming creates energy, e.g. the thing rollercoasters need to move.

Imagine if they could actually tie the speed to how much people were screaming.

It doesn't need to actually be having an effect, though, it could work as something they're just telling you is happening. You could have a lull with no hills that gives you an excuse to slow down for a show scene; oh no, we just barely have enough power to make it up this hill! Scream as we go down everyone, or we might not reach the exit! Then "barely make it".

Have lights that get brighter or "break" if people are particularly loud.

Go backwards because you don't have the energy to make it up the fake lift hill, or urge riders to scream as the ride pretends to stall out.

I don't expect them to actually do anything, but the possibilities are cool.

If it's just copying the chase scene in the movie then that's a waste.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Right now, replacing Muppetvision is all bad news regardless of any future plans for the Muppets.

It means that once again they aren't doing anything to actually improve DHS or add capacity (and will potentially make DHS even worse), and who knows if/when any future expansions that might use the essentially abandoned Launch Bay/Animation Courtyard area will happen. They haven't announced anything, and even if they have plans, they could be pushed off for a decade or more, especially with a new CEO coming in 2026 (supposedly).

The park would be better off if the Monsters Inc. coaster was cancelled than having it replace Muppetvision. And I'm not saying this because I'm a big fan of Muppetvision -- I'm honestly not sure I've ever even seen it.

New rides draw more crowds than 30 year old 3D shows. Not saying I like it, but that's a fact.

 

[Disstevefan1]

New rides draw more crowds than 30 year old 3D shows. Not saying I like it, but that's a fact.

You know what draws more than new rides?

Having BOTH a 30 year old 3D show PLUS a new ride!!

To Iger - Do NOT destroy and replace! ADD new rides in under utilized areas of the park!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RSoxNo1]

You know what draws more than new rides?

Having BOTH a 30 year old 3D show PLUS a new ride!!

To Iger - Do NOT destroy and replace! ADD new rides in under utilized areas of the park!!!!!!!!!!!

I suspect that their logic is the "new" Mermaid Show and new Villains show would more or less replace the lost Muppet*Vision capacity / draw.

Realistically though, there are so many aged stage shows in this park that should have been replaced with more regularity to further draw guests away from the headliners. How has Beauty and the Beast lasted longer than Aladdin at DCA?

 

[UNCgolf]

New rides draw more crowds than 30 year old 3D shows. Not saying I like it, but that's a fact.

That's exactly my point.

The park doesn't have enough space or things to do for the people it gets now; adding another draw is going to make it that much worse. Especially since Monsters will have a height requirement.

It will take all of the park's existing issues and exacerbate them. It's going to hurt the park rather than help it from a guest perspective (it'll be good for Disney's bottom line, obviously, since they'll sell LL to Monsters).

 

[RSoxNo1]

That's exactly my point.

The park doesn't have enough space or things to do for the people it gets now; adding another draw is going to make it that much worse. Especially since Monsters will have a height requirement.

It will take all of the park's existing issues and exacerbate them. It's going to hurt the park rather than help it from a guest perspective (it'll be good for Disney's bottom line, obviously, since they'll sell LL to Monsters).

Yeah, I understand that argument. I put Monster's Inc in a similar category as TRON going to MK. I don't think long term it hurts the park, but it wasn't what the park needed. It's another D/E ticket that will likely have insufficient capacity relative to demand.

Personally, I'd like to see the following "small" things addressed in this park:

• Spinner or other flat ride added to Toy Story Land beyond the restaurant. The obvious choice would be a slight retheme of TriceraTop Spin to Trixie's TriceraTop Spin. I'd also accept a carousel in that area.
• New stage show to replace Beauty and the Beast
• New video in the Mickey Shorts Theater. Longer term I'd accept a replacement of the entire Frozen/Mickey Shorts complex with a ride.

Longer term, it's probably logical that any Animation Courtyard re-theme rolls in RNRC. The Mermaid show and Villains show are probably being run as ways to extend the useful life of that area and delay whatever is ultimately planned. If either of those shows are popular it would undoubtedly delay those plans even more.

Of course, the elephant in the room is that the park desperately needs a boat ride of some sort.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yeah, I understand that argument. I put Monster's Inc in a similar category as TRON going to MK. I don't think long term it hurts the park, but it wasn't what the park needed. It's another D/E ticket that will likely have insufficient capacity relative to demand.

Personally, I'd like to see the following "small" things addressed in this park:

• Spinner or other flat ride added to Toy Story Land beyond the restaurant. The obvious choice would be a slight retheme of TriceraTop Spin to Trixie's TriceraTop Spin. I'd also accept a carousel in that area.
• New stage show to replace Beauty and the Beast
• New video in the Mickey Shorts Theater. Longer term I'd accept a replacement of the entire Frozen/Mickey Shorts complex with a ride.

Longer term, it's probably logical that any Animation Courtyard re-theme rolls in RNRC. The Mermaid show and Villains show are probably being run as ways to extend the useful life of that area and delay whatever is ultimately planned. If either of those shows are popular it would undoubtedly delay those plans even more.

Of course, the elephant in the room is that the park desperately needs a boat ride of some sort.

I think the big difference with TRON is that TRON was an actual addition to the park. MK didn't need it, but it also didn't really hurt anything.

DHS, on the other hand, is already lacking both in space for the current attendance level and in attractions without a height requirement, so taking one away for a much shorter attraction with a height requirement really doesn't make any sense for the park. It's almost like they're saying "hey, if you've got small kids, just skip DHS".

If they open a major AC replacement soon (like in the next 5 years) with multiple attractions then it's probably okay, but I don't see that happening. I think it's more likely nothing new actually opens in AC for at least decade.

 

[BrianLo]

Everything I’ve seen indicates this will be a land with ONE (sub 60 second) ride.

I know it's nitpicking, but absolutely nothing indicates this ride is under 60 seconds. Tron and Slinky are longer than 60 seconds.

It's probably 90-120seconds. Likely depending on if it stops in the mid ride show scene that the model seems to suggest there is.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I echo similar thoughts, I feel that we have jumped the gun on ride length. It will probably have some sort of pre-show and I would imagine the actual coaster will be at least 90 seconds. 60 seconds seems incredibly short, and I feel like after Tron they would not make that mistake again.

 

[Andrew C]

I know it's nitpicking, but absolutely nothing indicates this ride is under 60 seconds. Tron and Slinky are longer than 60 seconds.

It's probably 90-120seconds. Likely depending on if it stops in the mid ride show scene that the model seems to suggest there is.

The little Dragonflier at Dollywood (which has been used for comparison) is 60 seconds. So yeah, with additional theming and elements that I suspect it will receive, and a different launch, it will be above that.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think the big difference with TRON is that TRON was an actual addition to the park. MK didn't need it, but it also didn't really hurt anything.

I’m still convinced tron was built long term as a replacement for space mountain - it makes sense.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Disney has gone from spending billions to manipulate guest patterns and spread demand (FP+) to spending billions to replace existing square footage and create demand for insufficient capacity (LL).

They've spent 20 years trying to manipulate park capacity instead of just expanding it.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Disney has gone from spending billions to manipulate guest patterns and spread demand (FP+) to spending billions to replace existing square footage and create demand for insufficient capacity (LL).

They've spent 20 years trying to manipulate park capacity instead of just expanding it.

There was a significant stretch under Iger where Disney did anything they could do grow the parks except build new attractions. It was like they were the overweight person that would do anything to lose weight... except diet and exercise. Now they're at least building new attractions because Universal showed them that the Central Florida tourism market isn't mature.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Drawing crowds is only half the battle. They need to provide a good experience once the crowds are in the park. That’s where attractions like MV3D come in. Removing it would be a mistake.

 

[V_L_Raptor]

For a while Disney was the overweight person that would do anything to lose weight... except diet and exercise. Now they're at least building new attractions because Universal showed them that the Central Florida tourism market isn't mature.

Heh. Heh-heh. Hoo, boy.

Side note to the thread… Universal Creative had a booth at Maker Faire Orlando last weekend. They sent some of their engineering and support folks to talk shop and to speak on a few panels. It was pretty awesome to dip into even just what they could divulge.

Disney’s announced plans… Well, they’re plans, especially if their planners can’t see past the berm. They’re trying? Maybe? A little?

 

[rle4lunch]

In my eyes, MV3D is equivalent to Captain EO, It's Tough to Be a Bug, Philharmagic, etc... Easily replaceable, air conditioned napping venues. While they all incorporate some sort of kinetic audience interaction, they're all quite played out as groundbreaking attractions, and let's face it, they're not anchor attraction worthy. In regards to the Monster's height requirement, who cares? DHS is supposed to be catering to audiences different than MK or Epcot. Sure, a second ride for the kiddies should be added to make the land actually feel like a land, but it doesn't have to be much. Just not another carousel, lol.

 

[FigmentFan82]

Where did this idea Muppets would be repurposed as a show come from? Everything I’ve seen indicates this will be a land with ONE (sub 60 second) ride.

You know, if we didn’t need full lands for every new attraction Monsters could fit elsewhere in Muppets plaza… but that’s crazy talk.

If you go off the concept art there are other things filling the "land" than the main headline attactrion, but fair, it does seem a bit lite on things to do to be considered a "land"

I disagree though that you could simply place a Monsters ride within the Muppets area. Look to Laugh Floor, just because they put it re doesn't mean it really fits there.

 

[ToTBellHop]

In my eyes, MV3D is equivalent to Captain EO, It's Tough to Be a Bug, Philharmagic, etc... Easily replaceable, air conditioned napping venues. While they all incorporate some sort of kinetic audience interaction, they're all quite played out as groundbreaking attractions, and let's face it, they're not anchor attraction worthy. In regards to the Monster's height requirement, who cares? DHS is supposed to be catering to audiences different than MK or Epcot. Sure, a second ride for the kiddies should be added to make the land actually feel like a land, but it doesn't have to be much. Just not another carousel, lol.

That is fair, but if it’s yanked out to be replaced by a coaster and nothing else, that’ll really suck. If they were putting in a show with the coaster, it would be more palatable. I like MV3D but that’s no reason to keep it forever. I just want the park to have more to do.

The art suggests the ride will just replace Muppets and expand the building back.

 

[FigmentFan82]

In my eyes, MV3D is equivalent to Captain EO, It's Tough to Be a Bug, Philharmagic, etc... Easily replaceable, air conditioned napping venues. While they all incorporate some sort of kinetic audience interaction, they're all quite played out as groundbreaking attractions, and let's face it, they're not anchor attraction worthy. In regards to the Monster's height requirement, who cares? DHS is supposed to be catering to audiences different than MK or Epcot. Sure, a second ride for the kiddies should be added to make the land actually feel like a land, but it doesn't have to be much. Just not another carousel, lol.

I get that a 3D (or 4D) movie experience isn't as unique and amazing as they once were. But I would still argue that all the ones you mentioned above are good attractions. I mean when it's over are most people smiling at being entertained or angry that it was just some stupid 3D movie?

Also, I wish they'd bring back a few more simulator rides like Star Tours and Body Wars. I think those are still a lot of fun and it's a proven ride system. Seems like putting in a few more of those around the parks could go a long way to beefing up the experience count in all the parks (looking at you World Showcase!)