News Monorail Red in motion with guests on board and doors open

[LAKid53]

Forget movies. Parks make more.

Parks kept movies afloat in the 80s

 

[Brad Bishop]

Someone else mentioned, earlier in this thread, about them taping the door shut.

Can you imagine that being acceptable "show" for the old Disney?

Forgetting about possible injury/death to guests but just the idea that doors were taped up on a weathered train being ok to go on stage.

Also, it's been a long time since anyone ever talked about the monorail's 99.8% uptime. Now it's more like: The Monorail: It might get you there!

 

[asianway]

All those BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars made just off the movies and they can’t repair or replace something that could kill their guests.

We are all made of Star Stuff

 

[mikeymouse]

If you cant pay attention to the safety features of the vehicle you are in, then its really hard to feel sorry for you...Considering these people have a 10 minute trip to look for that phone, which has a huge cabinet at each end that is clearly labeled "Emergency Intercom". To make it worse, you could literally call any hotel front desk, with the phone you are holding, and report the massive safety issue...Its not that hard.View attachment 255537

It was stated in one of the articles that they attempted to use the intercom and it did not work properly.

 

[xdan0920]

It was stated in one of the articles that they attempted to use the intercom and it did not work properly.

Can you provide a link please? I hope this is true so we can finally move past this irrelevant point.

 

[peter11435]

It was stated in one of the articles that they attempted to use the intercom and it did not work properly.

I saw that theorized in an article posted on a Disney news site but I don’t believe that was ever stated as fact by a reliable source. The poster of the video commented that she didn’t think to use the phone.

 

[WDWTrojan]

In a previous life I worked on the software for a similar transportation system. The control system should have notified the driver immediately when the door opened and stopped the vehicle until the driver decided what was the appropriate course of action. Depending on the passengers to notify the driver introduces a significant delay into the equation and was not considered a valid safety approach. In my day the doors were considered a "human rated" system which meant that it was designed to safely transport people and not permit or cause injury. Such systems depend on multiple sensors to ensure the correct operation. That this occurred on monorail red and was not automatically detected implies to me that the safety systems have degraded to a point where they are no longer safe. If the operators have a history of multiple sensor failure alerts and have become numb to those alerts then that falls on management to correct the situation. Maximizing shareholder value is not the same as operating in a war time condition where you cut corners. Guest safety should be the primary concern and just getting people to the parks to spend money is not more important than safety

Couldn't agree more on all of this. My point was that all of the failsafes failed, leaving the guests in a precarious situation. Therefore, the safest course of action for them to take was to notify the driver right away via the emergency phone.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Couldn't agree more on all of this. My point was that all of the failsafes failed, leaving the guests in a precarious situation. Therefore, the safest course of action for them to take was to notify the driver right away via the emergency phone.

Is stopping the train and likely initiating a ladder rescue really safer than exiting via platform?

 

[flynnibus]

They did not use the emergency intercom because there was no emergency- no one was injured, dead, or in any way needed emergency asistance, and the situation, while shamefully dangerous, was not one that threatened to cause immediate harm to anyone.

I can't believe you typed that with a sane mind. Of course the pilot should be informed that his train has a major component failing - immediate threat to life or not is not even part of the question.

Guest: "Hey, anyone hear that brake locked on ??"
<<Guest Opens Panel>>
Bairstow: "Hey, put down that phone... we need to wait until there is a fire that is actually threatening us before we use that emergency phone! Don't overreact!!

The entire tangent was about the gaul of people to whip out their phones instead of addressing the problem immediately with staff. The absurdity it has taken on since as people distort that in every direction is saddening.

 

[montyz81]

They are spending all this money on a gondola system that will likely have the same exact problem as it gets older. The difference there is that people get a bit more courageous on gondola cars. I suspect someone will fall from one of those.

 

[flynnibus]

Is stopping the train and likely initiating a ladder rescue really safer than exiting via platform?

That's for Monorail Personal to determine... not guests.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I can't believe you typed that with a sane mind. Of course the pilot should be informed that his train has a major component failing - immediate threat to life or not is not even part of the question.

Guest: "Hey, anyone hear that brake locked on ??"
<<Guest Opens Panel>>
Bairstow: "Hey, put down that phone... we need to wait until there is a fire that is actually threatening us before we use that emergency phone! Don't overreact!!

The entire tangent was about the gaul of people to whip out their phones instead of addressing the problem immediately with staff. The absurdity it has taken on since as people distort that in every direction is saddening.

There was no conscious decision to not call the pilot. They were unaware of the phones. They addressed their safety by sitting still.

 

[flynnibus]

What would you do if you were in a vehicle moving at 30mph at heights of 30 feet.... stay seated in the utmost secure fashion, trying to move as little as possible in this vehicle that, for all we know, could stop or lurch or turn at any moment... or turn around and try to reach for a phone within a compartment?

When did riding the monorail become as difficult as walking a high wire? Do you normally sit petrified when riding the monorail?

99% of guests don't even know that the phone exists. Most people don't go out of their way looking for something that they don't know exists. Yes, it's marked "Emergency Intercom," but if you don't know that exists in the first place, you're not going to think to reach for one, especially when in a weird and potentially scary situation like this!

So you are saying... when a bus crashes... you expect everyone to not look for the emergency exits, door open handles, etc... because.. they didn't know it existed first... and no one knows to look for things labeled EMERGENCY in the situation when things are going wrong?

Is this the society we live in now? Darwin... please strike them all down now and free up some room!!

News flash: people don't exactly think straight when in a scary and potentially dangerous situation. That's something completely natural. Some of you are acting high and mighty about this, but I'd like to see you act oh-so smart if YOU were in this situation.

FFS we are talking about using the phone... you know the ones on EVERY elevator... EVERY train... etc. No one is bashing them for not figuring out how to fix a busted airhose. This is common sense things every adult should know about. Like "find the exits when in a theater" "find the exits when sitting on a plane"... This is not PHd stuff.

And this is all assuming that she DIDN'T call the intercom. For all we know, she DID call and started filming afterwards, or someone else called while she was filming, etc. You all are making some pretty wild assumptions off something we know very little about.

And this is someone who hasn't read the thread obviously...

 

[Bairstow]

I can't believe you typed that with a sane mind. Of course the pilot should be informed that his train has a major component failing - immediate threat to life or not is not even part of the question.

Guest: "Hey, anyone hear that brake locked on ??"
<<Guest Opens Panel>>
Bairstow: "Hey, put down that phone... we need to wait until there is a fire that is actually threatening us before we use that emergency phone! Don't overreact!!

The entire tangent was about the gaul of people to whip out their phones instead of addressing the problem immediately with staff. The absurdity it has taken on since as people distort that in every direction is saddening.

It's an elevated train, not an airliner.

No one is going to get sucked out of an open door on a train. If someone had fallen out, that's an emergency. If people smell smoke, that's an emergency. If someone is having a heart attack, that's an emergency. If the door is just open, it's a dangerous situation, and totally unacceptable, but not an emergency. The passengers in the train acted completely reasonably.

 

[flynnibus]

There was no conscious decision to not call the pilot. They were unaware of the phones. They addressed their safety by sitting still.

I guess these people are the same people that if they ever get stuck in an elevator... they'll be there for weeks. Or be too petrified to move to even look.

 

[flynnibus]

If the door is just open, it's a dangerous situation, and totally unacceptable, but not an emergency.

The NTSB, the Train Manufacturer, Disney, and every operational manual would completely disagree with you. That's why the train locks out the operation in normal conditions.

 

[Bairstow]

I guess these people are the same people that if they ever get stuck in an elevator... they'll be there for weeks. Or be too petrified to move to even look.

Was this monorail stuck?

 

[flynnibus]

Was this monorail stuck?

Your comprehension skills are seriously lacking today... the post was in response to NOT KNOWING about emergency features in transportation vehicles before hand... so why would you expect them to use them. Not if the situation warranted it.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Is stopping the train and likely initiating a ladder rescue really safer than exiting via platform?

Who said anything about a ladder? Notifying the driver via the emergency intercom would have allowed him to manually drive the train slower and/or to reverse it to the station, if that were closer than the destination.

 

[Bairstow]

Your comprehension skills are seriously lacking today... the post was in response to NOT KNOWING about emergency features in transportation vehicles before hand... so why would you expect them to use them. Not if the situation warranted it.

Settle down.